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kanucks25 said:
Yeah I would have kept Pedey in there but Juulsen getting back in was entirely predictable.

It'll be interesting to see what happens for next game if Juulsen doesn't play well and we lose tonight.
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And what

Mr. Canucklehead said about the ANHL all star game. I hope D Pete comes and stays. Bout time we throw in the kids and have em play for any under performing vet.. looknig at you Heinen, act like you love langley dude !​

 
platotld said:
ChatGPT is sick

Jim Benning is a polarizing figure in the hockey world, especially among Vancouver Canucks fans. While his tenure as GM (2014-2021) was widely criticized for poor cap management, questionable free-agent signings, and lack of long-term vision, there’s an argument to be made that he was underrated in certain aspects. If you’re making the case for him as one of the greatest hockey minds of his time, here are some key points:

1. Drafting Talent​

Benning was widely known as a strong talent evaluator, and his draft record supports that.

  • Elias Pettersson (5th overall, 2017) – Now a franchise player.
  • Quinn Hughes (7th overall, 2018) – One of the best defensemen in the NHL today.
  • Brock Boeser (23rd overall, 2015) – A consistent top-six forward.
  • Thatcher Demko (36th overall, 2014) – Emerging as a top-tier NHL goalie.
  • Vasili Podkolzin, Nils Höglander – Solid prospects with potential.
While he had some misses (Olli Juolevi over Matthew Tkachuk in 2016), Benning’s draft success helped lay the foundation for the Canucks' core today.

2. Building a Contender (At Least Briefly)​

The 2019-20 Canucks were one of the most exciting young teams in the NHL, making it to Game 7 of the second round in the playoffs. Many of the key players from that run—Pettersson, Hughes, Boeser, Demko, J.T. Miller—were acquired by Benning.

3. Key Trades​

  • J.T. Miller trade (2019) – Many criticized the move at the time, but Miller has been an elite player for Vancouver.
  • Tanner Pearson for Erik Gudbranson (2019) – Huge upgrade.
  • Tyler Toffoli rental (2020) – A great short-term move, though he wasn’t re-signed.

4. His Vision Wasn't Executed Well, But It Wasn't Wrong​

Benning believed in a fast, skilled, and physical team built around young stars and veteran support. The idea itself wasn’t bad—he just mismanaged contracts (like giving big deals to bottom-six forwards and depth defensemen) that handcuffed the team.

Why He Wasn’t Appreciated​

  • Cap Mismanagement – Loui Eriksson, Jay Beagle, Antoine Roussel, and Tyler Myers were overpaid.
  • Poor Free-Agent Signings – Eriksson’s six-year, $36M contract was one of the worst of the era.
  • Failure to Adjust – He didn’t manage the transition from rebuild to contender well, leading to stagnation.

Final Verdict​

Benning had a great hockey mind when it came to drafting and identifying talent but struggled with asset and cap management. If he had been in a scouting or assistant GM role instead of running the whole operation, he might be remembered much more fondly.

Are you a big Benning fan, or do you just think he gets too much hate?
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I LOL'ed at:

"Building a Contender (At Least Briefly)"​

 
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Mr. Canucklehead said:
Do we come out strong after two consecutive good efforts? Or flat, because Rutherford fanned the flames again with his interview?

Hopefully the boys can shut the noise out. I suspect Raty draws in for Sasson, rather than Karlsson, but we shall see.
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Is Raty up? Like to see him with EP and Linus, those two have amazing chemistry in Abby
 
canucks record bad with juulsen instead of hronek??? wow so surprising waow amazing

these twitter accounts man the lowest of low level analysis and it’s apparently groundbreaking
 
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platotld said:
ChatGPT is sick

Jim Benning is a polarizing figure in the hockey world, especially among Vancouver Canucks fans. While his tenure as GM (2014-2021) was widely criticized for poor cap management, questionable free-agent signings, and lack of long-term vision, there’s an argument to be made that he was underrated in certain aspects. If you’re making the case for him as one of the greatest hockey minds of his time, here are some key points:

1. Drafting Talent​

Benning was widely known as a strong talent evaluator, and his draft record supports that.

  • Elias Pettersson (5th overall, 2017) – Now a franchise player.
  • Quinn Hughes (7th overall, 2018) – One of the best defensemen in the NHL today.
  • Brock Boeser (23rd overall, 2015) – A consistent top-six forward.
  • Thatcher Demko (36th overall, 2014) – Emerging as a top-tier NHL goalie.
  • Vasili Podkolzin, Nils Höglander – Solid prospects with potential.
While he had some misses (Olli Juolevi over Matthew Tkachuk in 2016), Benning’s draft success helped lay the foundation for the Canucks' core today.

2. Building a Contender (At Least Briefly)​

The 2019-20 Canucks were one of the most exciting young teams in the NHL, making it to Game 7 of the second round in the playoffs. Many of the key players from that run—Pettersson, Hughes, Boeser, Demko, J.T. Miller—were acquired by Benning.

3. Key Trades​

  • J.T. Miller trade (2019) – Many criticized the move at the time, but Miller has been an elite player for Vancouver.
  • Tanner Pearson for Erik Gudbranson (2019) – Huge upgrade.
  • Tyler Toffoli rental (2020) – A great short-term move, though he wasn’t re-signed.

4. His Vision Wasn't Executed Well, But It Wasn't Wrong​

Benning believed in a fast, skilled, and physical team built around young stars and veteran support. The idea itself wasn’t bad—he just mismanaged contracts (like giving big deals to bottom-six forwards and depth defensemen) that handcuffed the team.

Why He Wasn’t Appreciated​

  • Cap Mismanagement – Loui Eriksson, Jay Beagle, Antoine Roussel, and Tyler Myers were overpaid.
  • Poor Free-Agent Signings – Eriksson’s six-year, $36M contract was one of the worst of the era.
  • Failure to Adjust – He didn’t manage the transition from rebuild to contender well, leading to stagnation.

Final Verdict​

Benning had a great hockey mind when it came to drafting and identifying talent but struggled with asset and cap management. If he had been in a scouting or assistant GM role instead of running the whole operation, he might be remembered much more fondly.

Are you a big Benning fan, or do you just think he gets too much hate?
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You forgot missing Virtanen in 2014. Thats huge.
 
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supercanuck said:
I LOL'ed at:

"Building a Contender (At Least Briefly)"​

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Q: How many A's in "Petterson and Miller"

A: The phrase "Pettersson and Miller" contains two 'A's. (I believe you're referring to the players Elias Pettersson and J.T. Miller from the Vancouver Canucks.) Is there something specific you're interested in about them or the team?


AI, a moron or a superfan that owns their jerseys.
 
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bobbyb2009 said:
I was a huge advocate for keeping him, but there was a larger number of people in here who were tired of all of his injuries and wanted him gone. It was baffling to me, and we constantly reminded everyone it was going to be the next 10 years trying to find someone like him to replace him, just like all the other teams in the league were searching for ( a minute munching RHD who could matchup and play with anyone- in our case QH). But at that time, this was not a Benning regime issue (not like so many others), it was the predominant view on here that he was too injury prone and not valuable enough to resign. This was a huge mistake then and still is now. Very sad.
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I remember that as well, the issue was that (to my recollection) Tanev never had any significant recurring injuries, just a myriad of different (and usually minor) ones. He was never a "one injury away" kind of guy and his recent healthy seasons supported that.

The real reason we lost him, though, was that Benning wanted to spend his cap space like a drunken sailor in the 2020 off-season and didn't even make an attempt to bring him back until after he'd struck out on every major free agent. Tanev was expecting to come back and probably could have been had at a hometown discount but Benning arrogantly decided he could do better in FA.
 
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platotld said:
ChatGPT is sick

Jim Benning is a polarizing figure in the hockey world, especially among Vancouver Canucks fans. While his tenure as GM (2014-2021) was widely criticized for poor cap management, questionable free-agent signings, and lack of long-term vision, there’s an argument to be made that he was underrated in certain aspects. If you’re making the case for him as one of the greatest hockey minds of his time, here are some key points:

1. Drafting Talent​

Benning was widely known as a strong talent evaluator, and his draft record supports that.

  • Elias Pettersson (5th overall, 2017) – Now a franchise player.
  • Quinn Hughes (7th overall, 2018) – One of the best defensemen in the NHL today.
  • Brock Boeser (23rd overall, 2015) – A consistent top-six forward.
  • Thatcher Demko (36th overall, 2014) – Emerging as a top-tier NHL goalie.
  • Vasili Podkolzin, Nils Höglander – Solid prospects with potential.
While he had some misses (Olli Juolevi over Matthew Tkachuk in 2016), Benning’s draft success helped lay the foundation for the Canucks' core today.

2. Building a Contender (At Least Briefly)​

The 2019-20 Canucks were one of the most exciting young teams in the NHL, making it to Game 7 of the second round in the playoffs. Many of the key players from that run—Pettersson, Hughes, Boeser, Demko, J.T. Miller—were acquired by Benning.

3. Key Trades​

  • J.T. Miller trade (2019) – Many criticized the move at the time, but Miller has been an elite player for Vancouver.
  • Tanner Pearson for Erik Gudbranson (2019) – Huge upgrade.
  • Tyler Toffoli rental (2020) – A great short-term move, though he wasn’t re-signed.

4. His Vision Wasn't Executed Well, But It Wasn't Wrong​

Benning believed in a fast, skilled, and physical team built around young stars and veteran support. The idea itself wasn’t bad—he just mismanaged contracts (like giving big deals to bottom-six forwards and depth defensemen) that handcuffed the team.

Why He Wasn’t Appreciated​

  • Cap Mismanagement – Loui Eriksson, Jay Beagle, Antoine Roussel, and Tyler Myers were overpaid.
  • Poor Free-Agent Signings – Eriksson’s six-year, $36M contract was one of the worst of the era.
  • Failure to Adjust – He didn’t manage the transition from rebuild to contender well, leading to stagnation.

Final Verdict​

Benning had a great hockey mind when it came to drafting and identifying talent but struggled with asset and cap management. If he had been in a scouting or assistant GM role instead of running the whole operation, he might be remembered much more fondly.

Are you a big Benning fan, or do you just think he gets too much hate?
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He does not get enough hate. You left out many of his worst moves. Virtanen. OEL. etc.
 
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bossram said:
If this doesn't prove AI is not "revolutionary", I don't know what will.
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Nah it's basically a dumb magic trick. Consider the phrase it regurgitated:

If you’re making the case for him as one of the greatest hockey minds of his time, here are some key points:
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It's basically vacuumed up all the old arguments and is regurgitating old Benning bro arguments about 'drafting', then lists a few points from them. It's highly impressive in it's prose on a fairly vague topic, but the comprehension is Billy Madison level. We're all a little stupider for reading it.
 
RandV said:
Nah it's basically a dumb magic trick. Consider the phrase it regurgitated:


It's basically vacuumed up all the old arguments and is regurgitating old Benning bro arguments about 'drafting', then lists a few points from them. It's highly impressive in it's prose on a fairly vague topic, but the comprehension is Billy Madison level. We're all a little stupider for reading it.
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To be clear, I'm saying I don't think LLM's are that impressive.
 
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RandV said:
Nah it's basically a dumb magic trick. Consider the phrase it regurgitated:
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bossram said:
To be clear, I'm saying I don't think LLM's are that impressive.
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The power behind an AI tool is less so something like that, and more so that you could give it a prompt like below (and provide it a dataset) and it will do the work of a basic data analyst for a hockey club. And with a few more advanced prompts it will provide you the output of a senior analyst within 15m:

Create a python script that will identify the trade value of present Canucks players, prospects, and draft picks and assess the values of other players, picks, or prospects around the league. Take into account player age, contract length, production, draft pick history, and quality of team mates.
 
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platotld said:
And what

Mr. Canucklehead said about the ANHL all star game. I hope D Pete comes and stays. Bout time we throw in the kids and have em play for any under performing vet.. looknig at you Heinen, act like you love langley dude !​

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I disagree. D-Petey is clearly not ready for the NHL pace. I don't really get how posters are watching him and coming away with an impression he's looked great.

And I'd rather keep the prospects away from the toxic wastedump that is Vancouver. The kids are coming along nicely in Abby. Keep them there for now.
 
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the tofoli trade would of looked like a massive blunder if they didnt make the playoffs, which we all know is what was going to happen before the season got canceled and had an extended playoff format. it mentions the vegas series, but ive never seen a more lopsided series in my life. i wouldnt be suprised if over 80% of the game was played in the canucks zone, and then 15% was netural zone, and 5% in vegas zone.

kk just looked back it was a second and not a first round. so i guess it wasnt that significant as i thought, but i think there was still some hope that tyler madden had potential at that time period
 
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