GDT: GM48: Caps @ Unpleasant Water Hazard - 7:08pm PST

[um]

ah true that is the complete list, my mistake. 08 wings also won both though

You are right. I got 08 and 09 mixed up.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

I think it's gonna be Gourde. We need someone who can play both wing and centre, because we are not 100% sure which one we need. Depends which of Eller/CMM can find their game again.

Lapierre, 2nd for Gourde (no Miro this time!)

Just curious, how would you value the Caps’ 2025 first rounder compared to Lapierre?

 

[wickedwitch]

Just like the Caps needed to beat the Pens in 2018, they now need to beat their other nemesis: the Presidents Trophy curse.

 

[895]

Just curious, how would you value the Caps’ 2025 first rounder compared to Lapierre?

Like roughly 5x more in value?

 

[DWGie26]

Like roughly 5x more in value?

I go the opposite way. I value Lapierre more. Maybe not 5x but 2x or 3x more valuable.

Many 1st round picks never make it to the NHL or play less than 50 games. Lapierre has done that. And he has played 4 playoff games (and played well). And he was MVP of Calder finals. That is a guy who will be an NHL player and hopefully grows enough this year to truly be our 3C next year.

Our first will be like 28OA or higher so basically a third 2nd round pick. And we have a lot of prospects trending NHL caliber. I’d be happy to move that pick for the right person.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

I go the opposite way. I value Lapierre more. Maybe not 5x but 2x or 3x more valuable.

Many 1st round picks never make it to the NHL or play less than 50 games. Lapierre has done that. And he has played 4 playoff games (and played well). And he was MVP of Calder finals. That is a guy who will be an NHL player and hopefully grows enough this year to truly be our 3C next year.

Our first will be like 28OA or higher so basically a third 2nd round pick. And we have a lot of prospects trending NHL caliber. I’d be happy to move that pick for the right person.

I think your valuation is much more realistic, but it probably comes down to who the buyer is.

 

[Ridley Simon]

I’d sell the 25 1st before Lapierre.

But that’s just me

 

[Kazer]

I go the opposite way. I value Lapierre more. Maybe not 5x but 2x or 3x more valuable.

Many 1st round picks never make it to the NHL or play less than 50 games. Lapierre has done that. And he has played 4 playoff games (and played well). And he was MVP of Calder finals. That is a guy who will be an NHL player and hopefully grows enough this year to truly be our 3C next year.

Our first will be like 28OA or higher so basically a third 2nd round pick. And we have a lot of prospects trending NHL caliber. I’d be happy to move that pick for the right person.

Agreed. This is especially true for a very late 1st rounder (Caps 1st rounder right now would be 28th assuming they don't make the conference finals or finals).

In that range, it's basically a lottery ticket. You could just as easily get Pastrnak (25th overall) or Oettinger (26th overall) as you are to get Ryan Suzuki (29th overall) or Shane Bowers (28th overall). And, of course, there's a lot of in-between too. You could also get an okay player like Sam Steel (30th) or Noah Juulsen (26th).

My take on Lapierre is that he's basically guaranteed to be an NHL center. My only question is whether he's a 2nd line center or a 3rd line center. If you think he's a bust, then you get a valuation like 895's, but I think that's very unlikely given the information we have despite his bad 24-25.

They have more pedigree (mostly Dach), but I'd point to the returns for Alex Newhook and Kirby Dach as evidence that Lapierre is still worth more than a late 2025 first. Newhook was traded for a 1st and a 2nd (plus another fringe prospect) after a 14 goal 30 point (80 games played) campaign in his age 22 season. Dach returned a 1st* and 3rd after a 9 goal, 26 point (70 games played) campaign in his age 21 season.

*And the first was 13th overall.

Reminder that Lapierre had 8 goals, 22 points in 51 games last year in his age 21 season. That translates to 11 goals, 30 points over 70 games / 12.5 goals, 34.5 points over 80 games.

Edit: math error

 

[ArmadilloThumb]

We do lack playmakers so adding speed and creativity is more important to me that a veteran responsible guy. We have that in spades.

Agree, and I still think Leonard will be that spark. We can always reassess over the summer.

This group can still get better. Patience

I’d sell the 25 1st before Lapierre.

But that’s just me

Agree, I am so encouraged by our prospects that we could definitely spare it and not miss it.

 

[Kazer]

Agree, and I still think Leonard will be that spark. We can always reassess over the summer.

This group can still get better. Patience


Agree, I am so encouraged by our prospects that we could definitely spare it and not miss it.

The one thing Lappy really has going for him is the dearth of centers. Protas (Ilya) has played mostly center for Windsor this year, but I'm not sure he plays center at the NHL level. Sikora is the next best center prospect, but he's a long way from the NHL.

All the top prospects in the system are wingers: Cristall, Leonard, Parascak, Miroshnichenko.

 

[Ridley Simon]

The one thing Lappy really has going for him is the dearth of centers. Protas (Ilya) has played mostly center for Windsor this year, but I'm not sure he plays center at the NHL level. Sikora is the next best center prospect, but he's a long way from the NHL.

All the top prospects in the system are wingers: Cristall, Leonard, Parascak, Miroshnichenko.

Leonard has been playing some C. So there is that