Post-Game Talk: [GM35] Canucks lose to Kraken in OT | 4-5 | Boeser(2), Garland, & DeBrusk |. いかにぎり🍣

[rypper]

Not his choice. We are a coin flip to make the playoffs. Likely we won’t. 1 move won’t change that.

They're in a playoff spot currently. They'll get Hughes back, Hronek back, trade for defensive help. That's at least 3 moves. If they're in the hunt still, they're going to go for it.

The sky isn't falling yet as much as some might think or want it to be.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

This team is slow and not fun to watch. They generate nothing off the rush, no creativity, nothing.

Talked to my 60 year dad today. Said it’s been the same shit his whole life and he’s done.

I’ve been a fan for 30 years and the team is well managed right now but they really screwed up in the off off season letting go Zadorov and Cole for Forbort and Deharnais.

Said it before and I will say it again...I will root for this franchise but this current team just pisses me off. They seem to be a collection of guys that could care less for each other.

I will forever be fond for the 2007-2012 Sedin era team because you saw multiple guys put their ego aside for the betterment of the team and it really showed on and off the ice.

 

[Hoglander]

Demko made some good saves that were a significant part of why they were up 4-1. Then the defense decided to stop playing and gave up high danger chances from prime scoring areas. He isn't back to allstar form yet, but the D in front of him was utter dogshit.

All year we've been complaining about the repeated Dzone exits off the glass, and then Juulsen just decides to throw it up the middle instead, in the dying minutes (and Soucy just takes a lazy swipe at the puck, while abandoning any thoughts of defending the slot/crease). Stupidity followed up with more stupidity.

Then with the goalie pulled, they give the Kraken player a wide berth to crash the crease and bang one in. Just completely forgot about protecting the net at the most important/ obvious time.

Then the Myers debacle... skates the puck deep, then throws the puck behind everyone and gifts the Kraken a breakaway. 2 more years of that idiot, ugh. Buy him out, please.

Before that, they had finally got their 1st possession of OT, and GudBranstrom -who should thrive in the open ice- forces a really low percentage pass for a turnover. Next possession, Soucy has time and space, but throws a low percentage pass off the boards for no reason: another turnover.

The D was so bad at the end, I lay all the blame on their amateur-level brainfarts. Demko deserved better.

 

[VanJack]

Hate to harp on it, but too often Myers throws the puck blindly, to well, nobody. It's the same in the d-zone. Never seen a guy with such tunnel vision.

And what he's going anywhere near the ice in OT is a mystery not even Tocchet can answer. At that point, they'd have almost been better off to throw three forwards out there, and just 'go for it'.

 

[bbud]

Demko made some good saves that were a significant part of why they were up 4-1. Then the defense decided to stop playing and gave up high danger chances from prime scoring areas. He isn't back to allstar form yet, but the D in front of him was utter dogshit.

All year we've been complaining about the repeated Dzone exits off the glass, and then Juulsen just decides to throw it up the middle instead, in the dying minutes (and Soucy just takes a lazy swipe at the puck, while abandoning any thoughts of defending the slot/crease). Stupidity followed up with more stupidity.

Then with the goalie pulled, they give the Kraken player a wide berth to crash the crease and bang one in. Just completely forgot about protecting the net at the most important/ obvious time.

Then the Myers debacle... skates the puck deep, then throws the puck behind everyone and gifts the Kraken a breakaway. 2 more years of that idiot, ugh. Buy him out, please.

Before that, they had finally got their 1st possession of OT, and GudBranstrom -who should thrive in the open ice- forces a really low percentage pass for a turnover. Next possession, Soucy has time and space, but throws a low percentage pass off the boards for no reason: another turnover.

The D was so bad at the end, I lay all the blame on their amateur-level brainfarts. Demko deserved better.

Juulsen put one in and gave a soucy an idiot pass into middle unfortunately hes most of blame no Myers ot issue if 47 pulled his head out of his a.s simple

 

[VanJack]

Without Hughes and Hronek, this Canuck blueline could easily be one of the worst in the Western Conference.

I think even the Ducks, Sharks and Preds might be better. Too slow, can't turn, can't really transition the puck and losing coverage in their own zone.

Really dreading that Tuesday date in Calgary. Another loss, and the Canucks are likely officially below the playoff bar in the West.

 

[B-rock]

No Hughes or Hronek = Worst D in the league.

100% but Demko was absolute garbage.
First goal laughable. 2nd goal scored from the goal line. Had to shut the door in the final few minutes and instead continued to be underwhelming. This game is an easy W with Lankinen in the net.

 

[B-rock]

Myers f***ed up. It doesn't mean he's a bad defenseman.
Demko had a shitty game. It doesn't mean he's a bad goalie.
Juulsen.... well.

It does when the fk ups are more frequent than the good plays. Myers is nowhere near dependable anywhere beyond the bottom pairing.

Demko needs to turn it around. He's been a good goalie but hasn't provided evidence of it yet this season.

 

[David71]

Team went for it last season and now there is the regression that everyone talked about for 30 games at the end of last season.

I would play out the rest of the year to see how it goes and TDL decide which direction they should go.

SELL SELL SELL. restock on picks and try again next year.

Their track history says they're very clearly going to make a move sooner rather then later.

sunday? or sometime next week. 2 dman.. 3-4 guys shipped out.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Wow.

Decided to go to bed (past midnight here) when we were up 4-1... probably good for my sanity.

Without Hughes and Hronek, this Canuck blueline could easily be one of the worst in the Western Conference.

I think even the Ducks, Sharks and Preds might be better. Too slow, can't turn, can't really transition the puck and losing coverage in their own zone.

Really dreading that Tuesday date in Calgary. Another loss, and the Canucks are likely officially below the playoff bar in the West.

One of the worst is putting it very politely.

Even when healthy they are very flawed.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

I fell asleep just before the third started and woke up disappointed I missed a surprisingly good game. Then I saw the score and thought "wtf happened?!"

Then I saw the replay. Holy hell. Juulsen set up a comedy of errors on the Dunn goal that made Soucy and Demko look like idiots. And what in actual hell was Myers thinking in OT?

At this point, if you need any more convincing our defense is the sole reason we're struggling so much this season, I point to this game. 4 goals (Joshua's should have counted) and in a matter of two minutes the defense wastes all their effort.

 

[Peen]

roster is bad when you take away really good players

not a single top 3 blueliner and 4 guys who should be your #7-10 Ds. one of the guys missing is a top 5 player in the league over the past 2 calendar years.

and they're out their (this season) only defensively responsible top six C.

the little stretch before the christmas break with pettersson back, hughes in and basically a healthy lineup sans-hronek where the PR team was having a disasterclass was a worrying stretch to me.

the rest of this is honestly just hard to evaluate. goal for the time being is to just pick up enough points so that they're hovering above the bar until bodies get back and they make some additions.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

SELL SELL SELL. restock on picks and try again next year.


sunday? or sometime next week. 2 dman.. 3-4 guys shipped out.

We have nothing to sell.

Hoglander has little to zero value right now, trading Boeser means we aren't "trying again next year" because there's no 30-40 goal scorer available in free agency and trading Suter won't net us anything worthwhile for next season. Not to mention, we want him next season.

Throwing away this season means we've wasted a year. That's it. Which is why I've been more vocal about my criticism towards Allvin and our how duct tape of a defense core.

It does when the fk ups are more frequent than the good plays. Myers is nowhere near dependable anywhere beyond the bottom pairing.

Demko needs to turn it around. He's been a good goalie but hasn't provided evidence of it yet this season.

To be fair, that's exactly where they played him last season. I don't know why they thought he'd suddenly found the foundation of youth at 34. Myers is perfectly fine on the third pairing, and can move up even as high as first pairing when, and ONLY WHEN, he's having a good game or two.

Last year we found the near perfect way to utilize his actual strengths. Is he having a good stretch of games? Up his minutes a little and roll him out as a "second" third pairing. He's had a weak game? Ease off back to the third pairing and let Cole move up with Zadorov or Soucy.

 

[VanJack]

First time in franchise history, and only the third time in NHL history that a team has been up by three goals with basically five minutes left, and blown it.

There are 'statement wins' but there are also 'statement losses'. And this one against the Kraken will linger like a stink bomb for the rest of the season.

I suppose they'll cling to the belief that with Hughes and Pettersson in the lineup, they'd have closed this one out. But the reality is that no team--with serious playoff aspirations--should ever lose a game like that.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

SELL SELL SELL. restock on picks and try again next year.


sunday? or sometime next week. 2 dman.. 3-4 guys shipped out.

Team is in no position to trade for picks and prospects.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

If he is back on this team next season..
I will loose all faith in this management.

Your choices are: Forbort, Myers, Desharnais and Juulsen. At some point Soucy and Brannstrom need a rest or they'll make mistakes on their own. And it isn't like either have played great themselves.

Myers had a reasonably good game outside of the OT idiocy. So it's hardly a reach to give him a shift under the circumstances. It should be noted he never plays OT when Hughes and Hronek are in the lineup. So it isn't like Tocchet does this often.

What about a forward? While I'd be open to trying it. That comes with its own set of risks. Garland, Suter and Blueger are all fantastic defensive players but suddenly be asked to play as a defenseman in the middle of a game is a big ask. Case in point, look at when Florida tried it against us. We made them look stupid despite the sheer talent on the ice.

Tocchet is doing what he can with chicken shit. Expecting a genuine salad out of the rosters we've been forced to ice is demanding a lot.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Your choices are: Forbort, Myers, Desharnais and Juulsen. At some point Soucy and Brannstrom need a rest or they'll make mistakes on their own. And it isn't like either have played great themselves.

Myers had a reasonably good game outside of the OT idiocy. So it's hardly a reach to give him a shift under the circumstances. It should be noted he never plays OT when Hughes and Hronek are in the lineup. So it isn't like Tocchet does this often.

I think there's a certain mastery of perfectly understanding your level of competency. In that case: Myers, Desharnais, Forbort, Juulsen in that order is your pecking order.

Juulsen's too young to understand what he does wrong sometimes. So he's a vibes player as I see it. So, he'll only go downwards from here unfortunately trying to do wayyyyy too much.

Myers can hear the words or the music, but not both. You have to designate him a role for periods of time, otherwise he's as useless as a box of screws when you have a hammer.

 

[AzNightmare]

Greatest regular season choke ever.

Reminds me of the greatest playoff choke by the Leafs when they blew their 3 goal lead with 10 mins left in game 7 vs Boston. Then lost in OT.

 

[Josepho]

Oh great, now are we wanting to run Demko out of town?

No, but it's becoming more and more clear that we can't trust him and that we have to bring back Lankinen next year.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

That was a very frustrating ending, but we don't need to panic.

Let's remind ourselves:

We are missing our best two way center, and our top D pairing.
We are a fairly top heavy team, so that's like 75% of our dynamism right there.

Then you have Demko, Joshua, and Miller who aren't up to speed yet recovering from injuries (and whatever was going on with Miller), and Boeser himself is just getting his game back too.

Given those circumstances, the chance things would be rough was there.

Of course, it's HOW they lost that's so frustrating.

I have seen people say that this is proof we suck and should rebuild blah blah blah.

I think what's lost psychologically is that if we had nursed that to a 4-1, or even a 4-2 win, then all of our foot soldiers gain confidence, and get rewarded for playing within their limits. It would have reinforced positive habits, and contributed to higher confidence and team cohesion.

Instead, it leaves a seriously bitter taste in the mouth.

With that said, we still got a point.

And what's important is what we do with this. Our pathetic ot/shootout record obscures the fact that if we were a little above break even in extra time we would be like 20-10-and 5 which is an incredible record given our injury absences (despite how ugly it's looked). And lest we forget, the playoffs don't have shootouts or 3 on 3.

So what do we do with this? Is this a wake-up call for our team? A call to focus on fundamentals until the final buzzer? Or do we collapse and get pouty.

I will say, it's been troubling just how low-event and boring we have been lately. We are generating so few chances lately (bottom in the league over a 6 week stretch) and that's troubling.

I have to think that our braintrust figured they could add D during the season and found it harder than expected.

Because even if Soucy and Myers had played better, we were always one injury on D away from catastrophe.

 

[theguardianII]

Well that was weird.

I stopped watching when the Canucks made it 4-1.
The game was so sloppy I didn't think Seattle could muster a come back, but then the passing has been so second rate for a few games now.

Reading the comments there is a lot of frustration but why?
I think expectations were way too high for this group.

I think too many fans drank the koolaid of last years surprising success and turned it into the team is a contender.

Missing Hughes and Pettersson is pointed to, the team is more than just them. Lots of teams have suffered with more injuries, more core players missing.

This game only Myers, Soucy and Forbort somewhat were NHL regulars on defence.
Myers will get the finger pointed at him the most but there were 5 goals against Myers was just one of those five goals. The first or second against are just as damning as the last.

Demko muffed on at least two goals but the media says "he is just coming back" what difference does that make? Playing like that is okay at the beginning of the season?
The media says Boeser is just recovering, Miller just coming back from his absence, Joshua missed the start of the season, how long do these be used as excuses? Is it other teams never have injuries or this team ever has before? Last year was an anomaly.

I PVR'd it and will watch again speeding through to see the team's breakdown on these goals just fun shat and giggles.

I did think they would win but there are many errors by many players not just one.

 

[tantalum]

I think there's a certain mastery of perfectly understanding your level of competency. In that case: Myers, Desharnais, Forbort, Juulsen in that order is your pecking order.

Juulsen's too young to understand what he does wrong sometimes. So he's a vibes player as I see it. So, he'll only go downwards from here unfortunately trying to do wayyyyy too much.

Myers can hear the words or the music, but not both. You have to designate him a role for periods of time, otherwise he's as useless as a box of screws when you have a hammer.

Juulsen is 27…28 by the time the season ends. He’s not too young to understand what he does wrong. He’s too old to get any better. He is a 9th D-man. A guy you call up to keep the press box seat warm or play 6 minutes if you have to use him.

This coaching staffs love affair with him is bizarre.

I don’t buy the he’s just coming back thing with Demko. I’m sure some of that is true but ultimately he has been back in games and full practice for a month. His “training camp” is done. That’s why it’s a concern to me. Hopefully it’s simply a guy re-learning to trust his body.

Boeser has 5 goals in the last 3 games. He’s back on about a 40G/82 game pace. His play is fine. I personally love how much he’s developed into a net front presence,

Joshua…I don’t know what his cancer treatment entailed but typically that is something that takes a long time to bounce back from even. A long time, often your body gets torn down to beat the disease.

Miller…he’s certainly off. No doubt. But at least he was in good humor (see the celebration with Boeser and Soucy on that goal…he was joking around with Soucy).

 

[olafsson]

I’m glad I missed this one. I just checked the boxscore and holy shit. They blow a 4-2 lead in the 3rd? Pathetic. Moves are needed, asap

 

[Zaddy91]

It's the kind of season itd be nice to just ignore hockey until March.

 

[TruGr1t]

They're in a playoff spot currently. They'll get Hughes back, Hronek back, trade for defensive help. That's at least 3 moves. If they're in the hunt still, they're going to go for it.

The sky isn't falling yet as much as some might think or want it to be.

They are blessed the teams below them in the West are generally pretty terrible. They would have to mess up pretty bigly to miss the playoffs. Could happen I suppose, but they are getting enough single points out of all these OTLs to hang around for now.