GDT: GM28 | Vancouver Canucks vs Florida Panthers | Thur. Dec 12th | 7:00pm PST | SNP | JT MILLER *CLAP* *CLAP* *CLAP*

[tantalum]

Yeah, I don't understand how some people feel entitled to access into athletes personal, private lives...I don't care how long you've been a STH or how much money you've spent on the team, you're still just a fan and aren't entitled to things that aren't your business.

Yep.

Let me put it this way....

People on this board and others are responsible for your livelihood. We are the ones who buy the products and services the company you own/work for provides. We are the reason you get a paycheque.

To say Miller owes us something because we are paying to see the product/company he is a part of and paid by is the same as anyone demanding the same from, well, anybody. It doesn't make sense. I'm not entitled to know your business just because I support your livelihood and I am not entitled to know MIller's business for the exact same reason.

 

[Quinning]

Can I just say, at least, this younger fan core is so rabid and I love it. It makes going to games an excitement intrinsically and the team is actual held to standards now. Good vibes, buy high on Canucks stock this year.

Many of them were too young to remember The Dark Ages.

Yep.

Let me put it this way....

People on this board and others are responsible for your livelihood. We are the ones who buy the products and services the company you own/work for provides. We are the reason you get a paycheque.

To say Miller owes us something because we are paying to see the product/company he is a part of and paid by is the same as anyone demanding the same from, well, anybody. It doesn't make sense. I'm not entitled to know your business just because I support your livelihood and I am not entitled to know MIller's business for the exact same reason.

The owners owe us a good product because without us, they have no money to pay their players.

The players owe the owners a good team.

That's about it.

 

[supercanuck]

I might wanna start watching the Simpsons at this rate,
it looks like a f***ing meme machine even in 2024.


It gives me joy having known that Petey also enjoys Bacon like me.

Seasons 1-9. You won't regret it

 

[LordBacon]

Seasons 1-9. You won't regret it

Say no more fam

 

[tantalum]

Many of them were too young to remember The Dark Ages.



The owners owe us a good product because without us, they have no money to pay their players.

The players owe the owners a good team.

That's about it.

Correct. Just like any other business.

 

[Ernie]

Not to disagree too harshly but he actually does have to be made available to the media. It's an obligation of all NHL players. Media also has an obligation to ask the question and Miller can decline to answer.

Theoretically, yes. Hronek didn't have a media availability until the end of last season, and at that time it was immediately obvious why.

 

[Nona Di Giuseppe]

He owes the fan base his livelihood.

yes. for playing hockey.. .. not a view into his personal life.

do you also demand to read the diary of the kid at a lemonade stand? to know why your baker took a day off? that's what you sound like. wild entitlement

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Forbort back is a bigger deal then many realize which is also sad.

Hope he has a run of good health and fortune - and hope he can help stabilize our back end, which is just a mess right now.

 

[Dana Murzyn]

Yep.

Let me put it this way....

People on this board and others are responsible for your livelihood. We are the ones who buy the products and services the company you own/work for provides. We are the reason you get a paycheque.

To say Miller owes us something because we are paying to see the product/company he is a part of and paid by is the same as anyone demanding the same from, well, anybody. It doesn't make sense. I'm not entitled to know your business just because I support your livelihood and I am not entitled to know MIller's business for the exact same reason.

I think you're right in almost any other context, but the lines are a bit blurrier when it comes to professional sports. These are public entertainers. We don't just watch hockey for the game, we watch for the soap opera too, the human drama. If it were just a bunch of robots skating around, it wouldn't work.

So while Miller's private life is totally his to share or not as he sees fit, I can't blame the media for probing at the human story. And I can't blame the fans for their curiosity. Miller is a character we're attached to, not just a stat line. That's how the entertainment business works.

 

[theguardianII]

Yep.

Let me put it this way....

People on this board and others are responsible for your livelihood. We are the ones who buy the products and services the company you own/work for provides. We are the reason you get a paycheque.

To say Miller owes us something because we are paying to see the product/company he is a part of and paid by is the same as anyone demanding the same from, well, anybody. It doesn't make sense. I'm not entitled to know your business just because I support your livelihood and I am not entitled to know MIller's business for the exact same reason.

Forget the personal aspect, he is part of a product being sold. Would you like to be sold tickets to see a band and then the lead singer didn't show up? Oh wait that happened in Vancouver and almost ended up in a riot.

Miller is part of a product, a piece of the "whole unit" being sold, a thing. Lots of posters have no issues with trade proposals or critiquing a player on the team. Once he signed on to play for 8 million dollars a year and the team sell ticket to see him he became depersonalized. To see a performance.

How is whining about a player or suggesting he be traded any different than expecting to know if the lead singer is showing up? And if not why not?

Is "Trade him" or "he played like crud" any different than "why isn't he here, I paid to see him"

If Miller owes nobody anything then there can never be any complaints or questions about anything to do with any part of the team, the whole product.

Some parts can have to be repaired but then the part needing repair is explained as to why.

Lets go to an extreme,

The Canucks released a statement that 4 players need to take time off for a reset, Hughes, Garland, Landinen and DeBrusk for personal reasons and will be gone for an extended period of time.

That is okay? No explanation should be expected or explained? But ticket prices stay the same? Or half the Abbottsford team is iced as the Vancouver team? Abby tickets are much cheaper aren't they?

Miller is a feature player, a selling point an important asset. They aren't slaves and they are human with all the frailties but he is also a product being sold.

Now about the game,

I think this is a must win game, they haven't secured a playoff spot and if they lose there could be a chance that a couple of teams jump over them.
The schedule gets much harder going forward

IMO a must win

 

[valkynax]

To me, at the end of the day, it's the on-ice product that will speak the loudest. This is a result-driven league, and fans who paid such MASSIVE price for their tickets deserve better results.

I'm still feeling pretty neutral to cautiously optimistic about the season. Tons of hockey games left, nothing to get too worked up about.

 

[wonton15]

I woke up with a feeling that Miller will play tonight

 

[Nuckles]

 

[Vector]

 

[Vector]

 

[DimitriL07]

JAY TEE MILLER

 

[wonton15]

I woke up with a feeling that Miller will play tonight

Call me the hockey whisperer

 

[Vector]

 

[Nucker101]

this is gonna trigger the local media

 

[wonton15]

Love how we posted 3 different tweets back to back but somehow didn’t overlap

 

[Vector]

this is gonna trigger the local media

From the way it's being reported, it seems outside media (*cough* Andy Strickland *cough*) is far more upset than anyone local.

 

[Deeds26]

I woke up with a feeling that Miller will play tonight

I wish I got those feelings, I get doom and gloom feelings/dreams.

Like Tuesday night, I had a dream about a plane crash and yesterday, our legendary Mars Water Bomber was supposed to leave for museum in Arizona. It didn't crash, but it did suffer an engine failure an hour into flight and had to circle back home to get repaired. Which now it won't be leaving for another week.

I fully expect a loud JT Miller chant at opening face off, I would assume their line is starting as well.

 

[tantalum]

Forget the personal aspect, he is part of a product being sold. Would you like to be sold tickets to see a band and then the lead singer didn't show up? Oh wait that happened in Vancouver and almost ended up in a riot.

Miller is part of a product, a piece of the "whole unit" being sold, a thing. Lots of posters have no issues with trade proposals or critiquing a player on the team. Once he signed on to play for 8 million dollars a year and the team sell ticket to see him he became depersonalized. To see a performance.

How is whining about a player or suggesting he be traded any different than expecting to know if the lead singer is showing up? And if not why not?

Is "Trade him" or "he played like crud" any different than "why isn't he here, I paid to see him"

If Miller owes nobody anything then there can never be any complaints or questions about anything to do with any part of the team, the whole product.

Some parts can have to be repaired but then the part needing repair is explained as to why.

Lets go to an extreme,

The Canucks released a statement that 4 players need to take time off for a reset, Hughes, Garland, Landinen and DeBrusk for personal reasons and will be gone for an extended period of time.

That is okay? No explanation should be expected or explained? But ticket prices stay the same? Or half the Abbottsford team is iced as the Vancouver team? Abby tickets are much cheaper aren't they?

Miller is a feature player, a selling point an important asset. They aren't slaves and they are human with all the frailties but he is also a product being sold.

And none of that provides any justification for prying into a player's personal life or struggles and feeling entitled to any sort of answer. Hell in this case the organization provided advanced notice of the player being out of the lineup for an extended period of time.

I think you're right in almost any other context, but the lines are a bit blurrier when it comes to professional sports. These are public entertainers. We don't just watch hockey for the game, we watch for the soap opera too, the human drama. If it were just a bunch of robots skating around, it wouldn't work.

So while Miller's private life is totally his to share or not as he sees fit, I can't blame the media for probing at the human story. And I can't blame the fans for their curiosity. Miller is a character we're attached to, not just a stat line. That's how the entertainment business works.

Curiosity as to what the reason was is completely different than "owing us the reason/explanation". Of course we are curious. But he doesn't owe us anything. He is free to choose what he does and doesn't want to reveal. If asked the question by the media his answer, no matter what it is, should be the end of it. It should not be asked multiple times nor should he be badgered into answering.

I suspect the local media will in fact respect that and may in some cases even get an off the record reason.

People like Strickland...well he's a complete idiot. I still remember discussing with him how the salary cap would work when it came into the league. He was 100% wrong, I proved he was wrong and he pulled the "well I speak to the GM of Blues every day (I want to say it JD at the time) and I can tell you you're wrong!" Then the Blues (the team he covers) confirmed I was right and he still maintained I was wrong! He's an ass.

 

[Ozone]

Just happy his is back - no follow up's needed from me.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Im happy that Miller is back..He has the ability to coerce his teammates out of their doldrums when the team is flat..Not sure how effective he'll be tonight after so much time away, but he's a big piece of the puzzle that is the Canucks.