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GDT: GM#8 LA Kings vs Buffalo Sabres @12:30pm 10/20/18

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KINGS17 said:
I don't dislike Doughty. He isn't my favorite player of all-time by a long shot. I marvel at his talent, but he leaves me wanting more when it comes to fulfilling his potential and filling the leadership void left by Williams, Stoll, Greene, Mitchell, etc.
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Hes a talent but hes not a leader for sure. Hes like Paul Coffee in that hes a fantastic player but should never be considered a leader.
 
Doughty is the best defenseman the Kings have ever had. We are all happy he has been a King since there aren't two Cups without him.

That being said, we would all rag on him so hard if he was on another team with the way he acts. You take the great with the bad, but he is cringe worthy a lot of the time.
 
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BigKing said:
Doughty is the best defenseman the Kings have ever had. We are all happy he has been a King since there aren't two Cups without him.

That being said, we would all rag on him so hard if he was on another team with the way he acts. You take the great with the bad, but he is cringe worthy a lot of the time.
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I'm actually being reminded of the crap P.K. Subban had to put up with in Montreal, not just the fans but the media too. I'd be watching HNIC and P.J. Stock would just be making up some shit about Subban and his character.

Either way, I think Doughty is the target of ire from pockets of fans because he just signed a big extension and the power play is looking like utter crap, and he's considered to be the one who drives the plays.

Players who are invested emotionally will lash out and say or do stupid shit. Chris Chelios was pretty good at doing that, like when he threatened Gary Bettman and his family during the lockout in '94. Or the many times Chris Pronger got himself suspended because he acted like an insolent brat. Guys who hate to lose tend to react that way.
 
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Ziggy Stardust said:
I'm actually being reminded of the crap P.K. Subban had to put up with in Montreal, not just the fans but the media too. I'd be watching HNIC and P.J. Stock would just be making up some **** about Subban and his character.

Either way, I think Doughty is the target of ire from pockets of fans because he just signed a big extension and the power play is looking like utter crap, and he's considered to be the one who drives the plays.

Players who are invested emotionally will lash out and say or do stupid ****. Chris Chelios was pretty good at doing that, like when he threatened Gary Bettman and his family during the lockout in '94. Or the many times Chris Pronger got himself suspended because he acted like an insolent brat. Guys who hate to lose tend to react that way.
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Doughty runs his mouth and never backs it up physically. My absolute least favorite type of player.

He'd be easy to hate if he wasn't a King and it wouldn't be because he is so good or hates to lose.
 
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BigKing said:
Doughty runs his mouth and never backs it up physically. My absolute least favorite type of player.

He'd be easy to hate if he wasn't a King and it wouldn't be because he is so good or hates to lose.
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What do you want him to do? He's not a fighter. You want to see him get his ass kicked like what happened when Jeff Carter took on Ryan Kesler?
 
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Ziggy Stardust said:
What do you want him to do? He's not a fighter. You want to see him get his ass kicked like what happened when Jeff Carter took on Ryan Kesler?
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Don't act tough?

Again, we would crucify any other player for what he does if he wasn't a King. Regardless, I'm obviously glad he's been a King and have already stated he is the best Kings defenseman ever.

Carter doesn't act tough but threw a borderline hit on Kesler. Kesler asked him to go and Carter obliged him because he knew the hit he threw was questionable. Honorable player. Too bad he got popped but Carter then provided the best moment of the 2017 season by coming back from that and leading the team to a win over the Ducks when it felt like they could make the playoffs.

He missed zero time. The idea that Carter went into a funk because of that fight is ludicrous and just an unsubstantiated talking point for those that want to push the "stars should never fight" or, even worse, "nobody should ever fight". I know you aren't in the latter and you might not even be in the former, although you are applying that to Doughty.
 
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Ziggy Stardust said:
What do you want him to do? He's not a fighter. You want to see him get his ass kicked like what happened when Jeff Carter took on Ryan Kesler?
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I don't think anyone said as much.

But if you're going to get heated with tantrums, trash talk, and run your mouth, you better accompany that behavior with physical play and toughness. Otherwise, you're a pest or a child.

If you don't want to engage in physical fights, that's cool, but have better composure.

Nobody talks about Kopitar, Carter, etc not fighting regularly, because they conduct themselves with more composure.
 
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Choralone said:
So he should have been on the ice and those goals wouldn't have been scored...? Or are you saying three goals against over an 8-game span is unacceptable?
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I’m sayin it’s easy to cherry pick stats. Doughty and Kopitar aren’t guys that can carry a team when it’s not doing well. Where’s the leadership in tough times?
 
DryIslandBartender said:
I’m sayin it’s easy to cherry pick stats. Doughty and Kopitar aren’t guys that can carry a team when it’s not doing well. Where’s the leadership in tough times?
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BS, you said Doughty was complacent because he liked living near the beach, and now you are changing it up again ffs...

If you had said Doughty isn't the type of leader LA needs, or lacks leadership....absolutely....
 
so our D lineup will seriously look like this?

Forbort - Doughty
Martinez - Muzzin
Phaneuf - Walker

isn't it time to do something about Forbort on the top line?
and to split Martinez / Muzzin?
and maybe scratching a veteran for Walker instead of scratching Fantenberg / Ladue?
 
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Quick and Doughty are our true leaders / voices for the team

the problem is Quick is a goalie and Doughty is completely immature
 
KingPuckChoo said:
Quick and Doughty are our true leaders / voices for the team

the problem is Quick is a goalie and Doughty is completely immature
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Disagree about Doughty, he's not a "true" leader, in the sense that his immaturity won't let him be, guys like Quick, Lewis, Brown, Clifford, those are the leaders in the room etc, the way Doughty leads, is his passion for the game, and that's a marked difference in the way guys before him like Mitchell, Regehyr led, even guys like Phaneuf, Kopitar etc.
 
GoldenBearHockey said:
That's horse****....he's not a natural leader, no one has claimed him to be one, but by that, because he's not a natural leader, he's complacent,

How far gone are you man?
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He’s not stepping up and putting the team on his shoulders. He’s fine being a cog in the wheel. In other words, complacent. Conprende? Or do you need me to break out the crayons?
 
GoldenBearHockey said:
Disagree about Doughty, he's not a "true" leader, in the sense that his immaturity won't let him be, guys like Quick, Lewis, Brown, Clifford, those are the leaders in the room etc, the way Doughty leads, is his passion for the game, and that's a marked difference in the way guys before him like Mitchell, Regehyr led, even guys like Phaneuf, Kopitar etc.
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i get what you're saying but guys that remain mute and "lead by example" also suck as leaders i find... i never responded to those types of "leaders" anyway so i'm sure there are others like me

point is, you and i both struggle to find a true leader because there are none on this team

so we settle for Kopitar Carter Brown Lewis type "leaders"
 
KingPuckChoo said:
i get what you're saying but guys that remain mute and "lead by example" also suck as leaders i find... i never responded to those types of "leaders" anyway so i'm sure there are others like me

point is, you and i both struggle to find a true leader because there are none on this team

so we settle for Kopitar Carter Brown Lewis type "leaders"
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There are those that do respond to that, that's why in a locker room you need different types of leadership, it's never just one way or one person etc.
 
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GoldenBearHockey said:
There are those that do respond to that, that's why in a locker room you need different types of leadership, it's never just one way or one person etc.
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I agree. I think it's why the dynamic of players like Mitchell, Williams, and Richards were so good along with players like Kopitar, Brown, and Carter during the better years.

Messages conveyed differently will have different effects. There's not one medium which always works.
 
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