Post-Game Talk: GM 75 | Kraken def. Canucks | 5-0 | Worst Birthday Ever

[VanJack]

Yikes! Just caught up with Quinn Hughes post-game interview. Clearly, he's not in a good space right now.

He was asked whether or not the Canucks were tired at the end of a long, disappointing season, and if that was the reason for tonight's dud against the Kraken.

He rejected it--saying that most of the Canucks had two to three weeks off over the Four Nations break, and that nobody should be tired. He also pointed out that players on the St. Louis Blues were facing the same schedule as everybody else, and they're playing great hockey right now.

Talk about firmly throwing some of his teammates under the bus. If the team isn't 'tired' then what he's really saying is that they're not good enough. And he's right.

Must be pretty frustrating for a guy who guts it out night after night, trying to play through an injury and still gets thrown over the boards 25-30 minutes a night. But rarely complains.

If they don't start surrounding their captain with better players--he'll be gone in two years.

 

[Hammer79]

Yikes! Just caught up with Quinn Hughes post-game interview. Clearly, he's not in a good space right now.

He was asked whether or not the Canucks were tired at the end of a long, disappointing season, and if that was the reason for tonight's dud against the Kraken.

He rejected it--saying that most of the Canucks had two to three weeks off over the Four Nations break, and that nobody should be tired. He also pointed out that players on the St. Louis Blues were facing the same schedule as everybody else, and they're playing great hockey right now.

Talk about firmly throwing some of his teammates under the bus. If the team isn't 'tired' then what he's really saying is that they're not good enough. And he's right.

Must be pretty frustrating for a guy who guts it out night after night, trying to play through an injury and still gets thrown over the boards 25-30 minutes a night. But rarely complains.

If they don't start surrounding their captain with better players--he'll be gone in two years.

I missed the game but I have to agree with Quinn here. I don't think they are tired, I think they are just missing too many pieces. I'm glad that Hughes isn't using the tired excuse, that would reflect much worse on him as captain than saying they weren't good enough. As Toch likes to say, next man mentality. We don't have it right now.

 

[Coffee]

Is that prospect here to help keep Hughes around when he is ufa in -27?

Honestly yeah you’re right.

 

[Coffee]

Nvm

Sorry for the tag!

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

I missed the game but I have to agree with Quinn here. I don't think they are tired, I think they are just missing too many pieces. I'm glad that Hughes isn't using the tired excuse, that would reflect much worse on him as captain than saying they weren't good enough. As Toch likes to say, next man mentality. We don't have it right now.

Let's face it. This was sort of inevitable. There's only so many games where Suter, Garland, Blueger and the other complimentary/depth squad could play well above expectation. We simply don't have enough pieces to work with right now. Partly due to injuries, but also in general.

 

[kanucks25]

Yikes! Just caught up with Quinn Hughes post-game interview. Clearly, he's not in a good space right now.

He was asked whether or not the Canucks were tired at the end of a long, disappointing season, and if that was the reason for tonight's dud against the Kraken.

He rejected it--saying that most of the Canucks had two to three weeks off over the Four Nations break, and that nobody should be tired. He also pointed out that players on the St. Louis Blues were facing the same schedule as everybody else, and they're playing great hockey right now.

Talk about firmly throwing some of his teammates under the bus. If the team isn't 'tired' then what he's really saying is that they're not good enough. And he's right.

Must be pretty frustrating for a guy who guts it out night after night, trying to play through an injury and still gets thrown over the boards 25-30 minutes a night. But rarely complains.

If they don't start surrounding their captain with better players--he'll be gone in two years.

They shouldn't be tired, every team has a tough schedule.

They just don't have the horses, but no player is going to openly admit that.

So the only option he has is to simply say they didn't play well enough.

 

[NoShowWilly]

Happy that was a 730 start and i turned it off after the first.

 

[ExarKun80]

This team has too much pride to go down to the Kraken like this. It will be a close game by the end. Book it.

 

[I am toxic]

It's clear Toccs has run out of gas this season, and he can't be blamed - beyond the 82 game marathon, and Vancouver having one of the worst travel schedules, he was given a shambles of a D to start the season, and had to babysit two millionaires

The fatigue is manifest in the decision not to pull Demko against the Jets. Some decisions can have fors and againsts, so an argument could be made either way, but that decision had no fors, and all againsts. No argument can be made for it

As for the goalie pull last night, it may have be an overreaction to the (justified) criticism of the Jets game no pull. Last night probably wasnt fatigue, for reasons too obvious to state

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

There is a 0% chance we don’t trade it

So that makes it more valuable then.

 

[Caboose]

Whatever the reason, there’s a solid argument to be made that JT Miller single handedly slammed the door shut on the window for this core. Don’t think anyone should be chanting his name at this point.

Tired of this, EP is as much to blame. JT Miller carried our core every single year he was here when Bo and EP would take their regular half season vacation. When those guys checked out he carried the team every single time. Our best most consistent player since he joined the team.

Continue that with he fact the two other stars who say they want to win and win in Vancouver only wanted every single possible dollar on a contract. Miller put his money where his mouth was, reporters were talking Miller getting over 10 Mil as a UFA and he only took 8 Mil to stay because he was the one who actually wanted to win!!

Then this year he is clearly going through something and when it was the other star players turn to support him and carry him EP continues his disappearing act and all blame and anger go to JT.

Putting the blame on only JT is garbage, blame Bo and EP for only caring about lining up their pockets to the maximum possible rather than build a winner in Vancouver.

 

[Nick Lang]

Yes it's Millers fault Benning was a complete gong show
Yes it's Millers fault management chose him over Horvat.
Yes it's Millers fault he took less again after already providing a bargain contract
yes it's Millers fault Pettersson no showed when needed the most after getting an massive contract
yes it's Millers fault he was asked to be hard on Pettersson that backfired it drove a wedge and they needed to trade him
yes it's Millers fault that the return is a LTIR candidate and a 1st used to replace Zadorov after the defence or lack of it sabotaged the season while heading towards 16th at the draft
Yes its millers fault so many guys have ben thrown under a bus

It's Miller's fault he's a complete baby, a goof, and a horrible teammate who held the team at hostage for a shitty return, and pretty much blew our season before it started after he spazzed out like a 3 year old man child. What an awful person to have on your team or anywhere in your life. He totally and utterly singlehandedly destroyed the workplace for 23 players plus many hardworking others all around the team. Loser in my books.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

Yikes! Just caught up with Quinn Hughes post-game interview. Clearly, he's not in a good space right now.

He was asked whether or not the Canucks were tired at the end of a long, disappointing season, and if that was the reason for tonight's dud against the Kraken.

He rejected it--saying that most of the Canucks had two to three weeks off over the Four Nations break, and that nobody should be tired. He also pointed out that players on the St. Louis Blues were facing the same schedule as everybody else, and they're playing great hockey right now.

Talk about firmly throwing some of his teammates under the bus. If the team isn't 'tired' then what he's really saying is that they're not good enough. And he's right.

Must be pretty frustrating for a guy who guts it out night after night, trying to play through an injury and still gets thrown over the boards 25-30 minutes a night. But rarely complains.

If they don't start surrounding their captain with better players--he'll be gone in two years.

I haven't seen the interview but based on your summary, I like that he isn't using "tired" or "injuries" as an excuse, even though it seems like a valid reason for the team's struggle. He is such a good captain.

But looking at the roster, like a third of it should be playing in the AHL. They played hard but the talent (for various reasons) is just not there. The "next man up" mantra can only carry you so far, when your center depth is Suter-Blueger-Raty-Aman, even a prime Scotty Bowman can't win with that.

It has been a very tough season as a fan, I can't imagine the toll it is taking on guys like Hughes, Tocchet and the rest. Hope they have a good rest this summer and come back mentally fresh next season.

 

[theguardianII]

 

[Zippgunn]

Nah, it's a mindset thing.

How is this team losing 4-0 to Seattle!? Holy moly.

You need to ask? Could it be the elephant in the room?. Demko with a .778 game (his THIRD sub .800 in 21) with no shots being deflected or screened have anything to do with it? I kept thinking to myself "imagine ithe comments on HF f it were anybody else in goal tonight"...

 

[sting101]

It's Miller's fault he's a complete baby, a goof, and a horrible teammate who held the team at hostage for a shitty return, and pretty much blew our season before it started after he spazzed out like a 3 year old man child. What an awful person to have on your team or anywhere in your life. He totally and utterly singlehandedly destroyed the workplace for 23 players plus many hardworking others all around the team. Loser in my books.

Easy to throw shade now that it didn't work out. No other player had more chants from the Rog the last few yrs

some of my buddies called this before it happened. First that choosing Miller with so many country clubbers might end up in fireworks and then the actuality that Miller would lose his mind having to watch bambi on ice that forced almost 40 million more than JT did be a loner in a headset playing video games with his buddies back home while the team floundered without a care in the world

Even the GM recognized this and publicly threw shade (which is pretty fricken rare) unfortunately it escalated too much at the ground level by then and had also driven a wedge between Miller Tocchet and the organization. So the choice was made for them

Hughes Boeser Hronek Demko Blueger Joshua Garland Myers Zadorov all excelled in the last few yrs and had no issues because they didnt make excuses and worked their asses off at trying to battle and win

This organization has gotten what they wanted and what they deserve. If they were smart they would have traded 40 for Necas or even the rumoured Cozens Byram deal. Hopefully the loyalty pays off because the Rangers are laughing and a 40 goal scorer in Boeser is about to leave and for the life of me i cannot imagine good players wanting to come to join what is left of this core.

I imagine it will unfold like this....Zadorov gone Miller gone Boeser gone Garland gone Demko gone Hughes gone Myers retired replaced with tall skinny Swedes who like video games social media fancy clothes and getting back to Sweden by mid to late April

 

[Nick Lang]

Easy to throw shade now that it didn't work out. No other player had more chants from the Rog the last few yrs

some of my buddies called this before it happened. First that choosing Miller with so many country clubbers might end up in fireworks and then the actuality that Miller would lose his mind having to watch bambi on ice that forced almost 40 million more than JT did be a loner in a headset playing video games with his buddies back home while the team floundered without a care in the world

Even the GM recognized this and publicly threw shade (which is pretty fricken rare) unfortunately it escalated too much at the ground level by then and had also driven a wedge between Miller Tocchet and the organization. So the choice was made for them

Hughes Boeser Hronek Demko Blueger Joshua Garland Myers Zadorov all excelled in the last few yrs and had no issues because they didnt make excuses and worked their asses off at trying to battle and win

This organization has gotten what they wanted and what they deserve. If they were smart they would have traded 40 for Necas or even the rumoured Cozens Byram deal. Hopefully the loyalty pays off because the Rangers are laughing and a 40 goal scorer in Boeser is about to leave and for the life of me i cannot imagine good players wanting to come to join what is left of this core.

I imagine it will unfold like this....Zadorov gone Miller gone Boeser gone Garland gone Demko gone Hughes gone Myers retired replaced with tall skinny Swedes who like video games social media fancy clothes and getting back to Sweden by mid to late April

Yeah I just call it like I see it. I tried to support him. Great player at his best. Horrible teammate to the point the former doesn't matter. That says a lot. I got tired of his antics and periodically giving up on the team long before this but exercised tolerance due to his elite play when he cared. The last bit was just way too much ever evolving crap. Wrecking a season and screwing over a franchise because of:

First that choosing Miller with so many country clubbers might end up in fireworks and then the actuality that Miller would lose his mind having to watch bambi on ice that forced almost 40 million more than JT did be a loner in a headset playing video games with his buddies back home while the team floundered without a care in the world

It's completely unacceptable to lose your mind and cool on your own team because a player and the team is struggling. Worse yet take a month off as a result, right when you're team needs you. It's also unacceptable to stage a crybaby protest and quit because a far younger player negotiated a big contract and he didn't. They're supposed to be adults. That's all I'm going say on the JT Miller era. He's gone.

Personally I'm very happy we didn't sign Zadorov. I'd way rather have EP25 at $1 mil than an aging Zadorov at $5 mil. EP25 is one tough dude as well. M Petterson is a far better defender. It's not even close. Our defence is set pretty much and it is quite good. It just needs a good forward crew to pay dividends. I know it looks dire from close up as a fan but I don't think it's as bad as you describe. We will bring in some new players and turn the page for a completely new season.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

I try,,, but I'm hard up to clap for a loser.

JT is a loser. A good loser, but a loser.

 

[sting101]

Yeah I just call it like I see it. I tried to support him. Great player at his best. Horrible teammate to the point the former doesn't matter. That says a lot. I got tired of his antics and periodically giving up on the team long before this but exercised tolerance due to his elite play when he cared. The last bit was just way too much ever evolving crap. Wrecking a season and screwing over a franchise because of:

First that choosing Miller with so many country clubbers might end up in fireworks and then the actuality that Miller would lose his mind having to watch bambi on ice that forced almost 40 million more than JT did be a loner in a headset playing video games with his buddies back home while the team floundered without a care in the world

It's completely unacceptable to lose your mind and cool on your own team because a player and the team is struggling. Worse yet take a month off as a result, right when you're team needs you. It's also unacceptable to stage a crybaby protest and quit because a far younger player negotiated a big contract and he didn't. They're supposed to be adults. That's all I'm going say on the JT Miller era. He's gone.

Personally I'm very happy we didn't sign Zadorov. I'd way rather have EP25 at $1 mil than an aging Zadorov at $5 mil. EP25 is one tough dude as well. M Petterson is a far better defender. It's not even close. Our defence is set pretty much and it is quite good. It just needs a good forward crew to pay dividends. I know it looks dire from close up as a fan but I don't think it's as bad as you describe. We will bring in some new players and turn the page for a completely new season.

 

[theguardianII]

First that choosing Miller with so many country clubbers might end up in fireworks and then the actuality that Miller would lose his mind having to watch bambi on ice that forced almost 40 million more than JT did be a loner in a headset playing video games with his buddies back home while the team floundered without a care in the world

I think if you can find one of my posts when Tocchet was first hired I thought then the two would bang heads. JTM really swallowed his attitude and I was impressed that Tocchet got him to play a more defensive game, but I did think they would almost come to blows way back then.

I also thought Tocchet would be a short term guy because he would lose the room quickly. He never did seem to get along with high priced veterans on any team he was head coach.

 

[M2Beezy]

I still had some crazy illusion about the playoffs before this game, tho not really hopeful or anything just blindly dreamy about it. All gone now

Tbh I dont think the team is that far off. The d is set, goal tending tho not a perfect situation is among the best in the league.

Forward group is the challenge this offseason. If management can make it happen this will easily be a playoff team again next season, and could be many analysts suprise team or whatever.

But yeah, bad luck mixed with some bad mojo and management decisions led to a frustrating season for all

 

[VanJack]

Clearly this current edition of the Canucks have never heard of the old adage--if you suck, make sure you do it on the road and not in front of the paying customers.

Listening to last night's Sportsnet broadcast, I was still shocked to hear Shorty report that the Canucks have one of the worst home records in the entire NHL. With a 15-14-7 record at Rogers Arena, it puts them within hailing distance of Chicago and San Jose for the worst home records in the league.

For context, the Ducks who are their Saturday night opponents have 19 wins on home ice; and Nashville has a total of 18 wins. And I read somewhere the Canucks are actually raising ticket prices next season?

That's either because they're the NHL leaders in basic chutzpah, or they hope the dutiful paying customers have a short memory.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

Easy to throw shade now that it didn't work out. No other player had more chants from the Rog the last few yrs

some of my buddies called this before it happened. First that choosing Miller with so many country clubbers might end up in fireworks and then the actuality that Miller would lose his mind having to watch bambi on ice that forced almost 40 million more than JT did be a loner in a headset playing video games with his buddies back home while the team floundered without a care in the world

Even the GM recognized this and publicly threw shade (which is pretty fricken rare) unfortunately it escalated too much at the ground level by then and had also driven a wedge between Miller Tocchet and the organization. So the choice was made for them

Hughes Boeser Hronek Demko Blueger Joshua Garland Myers Zadorov all excelled in the last few yrs and had no issues because they didnt make excuses and worked their asses off at trying to battle and win

This organization has gotten what they wanted and what they deserve. If they were smart they would have traded 40 for Necas or even the rumoured Cozens Byram deal. Hopefully the loyalty pays off because the Rangers are laughing and a 40 goal scorer in Boeser is about to leave and for the life of me i cannot imagine good players wanting to come to join what is left of this core.

I imagine it will unfold like this....Zadorov gone Miller gone Boeser gone Garland gone Demko gone Hughes gone Myers retired replaced with tall skinny Swedes who like video games social media fancy clothes and getting back to Sweden by mid to late April

This is so emotional and nonsensical?

The Rangers are laughing? Brother, the Rangers are f***ED. The last thing they needed to bring into their aging country club roster was a whiny, petulant quitter like Miller. He's a fantastically talented player a unicorn in fact, to the extent that he has been enabled over and over and never had to actually grow into a decent and accountable teammate.

Look at how pathetic the Rangers have been after their 'fleecing'. Read what some of their fans have to say about their team's outlook or watch their games.

We already have several clips of 2021 Miller giving the puck away and then drifting back without a care in the world from his 20 games with the Rangers.

 

[ExarKun80]

I see that the Miller cheerleader squad has returned. They went quit for a month when he was not puttin up points but returned now. You guys should cheer for the Rangers and you are lucky that I'm not a mod because I would ban everyone of you for mentioning this cancer and attacking our players. He is the main reason why we are in this situation and why we did get a shitty return.

 

[VanJack]

Even with Miller still in the lineup--it's doubtful this team was ever good enough to make the playoffs in the West.

And if Hughes is frustrated right now, you can only shudder and imagine what Miller would be like. I think looking back after only a few months--the parting between Miller and the Canucks seems 'inevitable'.

I just wish they'd come to that conclusion a few seasons back--and re-upped Horvat instead.