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Baby Pettersson said:
Dude the entire team has quit. We just used Miller as a scapegoat and thought all the problems would go away. Amateur hour is a better way to describe what happened.
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The entire team quit twice in 2021 then did so in 2022, and once again has quit. It's time to accept the fact that the entire culture in the franchise is utter shit. That in large part is due to a shit owner who is a total clown.
 
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Baby Pettersson said:
Dude the entire team has quit. We just used Miller as a scapegoat and thought all the problems would go away. Amateur hour is a better way to describe what happened.
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I dont think that is true at all.

The team simply isn't talented enough to compete.

Especially with Hughes out and EP40 playing at like 15% of his capabilities.
 
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SeawaterOnIce said:
The entire team quit twice in 2021 then did so in 2022, and once again has quit. It's time to accept the fact that the entire culture in the franchise is utter shit. That in large part is due to a shit owner who is a total clown.
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Yes. This core didn’t have it. Never could sustain success. From all the comments over the years, it seems they don’t have the work ethic and off ice focus. (Except for Hughes).

2023 was the year to step back and reload for the future if we wanted to win with Hughes.
 
Hodgy said:
I am not a big fan of Tochett, and didn’t like when they hired him, but the forwards clearly suck currently, and he showed he could get a lot out of the team last year with a better forward group. With that said, I felt the offense declined as season progressed, and that concerned me.

As I have mentioned before, to Tochett’s credit, he identified offensive chance creation as an issue during training camp, and wanted to give more rope to the forwards. That never happened but I can excuse him that given how poorly the defense was constructed.

But, now that the defense is solid, it d like to see Tochett loosen up the ropes for the forwards so we can see more chance generation. I have my doubts that this will actually occur, but there isn’t really the same excuse now. The reality is though, our forwards do currently suck, so even if he does loosen up the ropes, the results are likely to not follow to the extent you may expect.
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Isi outlined some really interesting stats here: Post-Game Talk: - GM 64 | Canadiens def. Canucks | 4-2 (Hronek, EP40) | Merde.

Basically the team has improved offensively, meaningfully, since the MIller trade - which is all the more impressive when you consider how much that period Hughes has been injured. But their shooting percentage has absolutely crashed and they're getting PDO'd.
 
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Burke's Evil Spirit said:
Isi outlined some really interesting stats here: Post-Game Talk: - GM 64 | Canadiens def. Canucks | 4-2 (Hronek, EP40) | Merde.

Basically the team has improved offensively, meaningfully, since the MIller trade - which is all the more impressive when you consider how much that period Hughes has been injured. But their shooting percentage has absolutely crashed and they're getting PDO'd.
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Intuitively, that makes sense because our defense was strengthen. So the increased corsi is logical.

We may be getting some bad luck, but it also needs to be recognized that our offense sucks and as a result we are probably a bottom 5 shooting percentage team. And that’s not luck based, but talent based.
 
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Isi said:
I know people don't want to hear it, the results are the results, buuuuuuuuut here's a quick look at our 5 on 5 fancy stats before and after the start of Feb, which is when JT got traded.

Up until Feb: [50 odd games]

corsi: 20th in the league
Fenwick: 22nd
shots for: 20th
xG: 22nd

shooting percentage: 5th
PDO: 16th
save percentage: 24th

(JT's individual sh% was 5.77 but his on ice sh% was 11.01)

Since the start of Feb [13 games]

Corsi: 14th
Fenwick: 14th
shots for: 16th
xG: 11th

shooting percentage: 31st
PDO: 28th
save percentage: 16th

and obviously since the start of Feb those numbers include a lot of games sans Quinn Hughes.

So to me, those are not really numbers that suggest we're a lot worse. we've just had a massive change in our shooting percentage, after we were running lucky for so long. Obviously no-one has had as big a change as we have, although Minnesota were 16th in the league up until Feb and are last in the league since the start of Feb. Winnipeg have gone from 8th to 21st as well. [as an aside, the Flames are 30th in shooting percentage since Feb....and were 30th in the league up until the start of Feb!]

for example's sake, Suter and Hronek were running at around an 11% on ice shooting percentage up until the end of Jan. They are at 5.7 and 3.8% since the start of Feb

And for transparency Brock, who obviously is more impacted by JT being gone than Suter, has gone from 10% until the end of Jan to 1% since the start of Feb. He's had 184 5 on 5 minutes since Feb and we have scored 1 goal in that ice time! no-one else, obviously, has had as few goals scored whilst playing 184+ minutes. (Dakota Joshua is at 162 minutes and only 1 goal, though) [also lmao McDavid is in this list. 3.55% on ice shooting percentage since Feb! I would much prefer McDavid's bad luck streak happen in the playoffs, not now......]

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We have been playing better since around the time Miller was traded but I think it has less to do with "addition by subtraction" and more to do with Hronek's return and the two new Petterssons on D providing quite a lot of stabilization.

However they can't help much in the goal scoring and shooting% departments which is where we are suffering, usually the main reason for our losses lately.

And, like I mentioned in the Tocchet thread, I find it amusing how I've read so many posts about how Tocchet is a bad offensive coach because we only scored under him when we had a high PDO, but your post is maybe the first one I've read suggesting we aren't as bad as the standings show due to a very low PDO (last in the league over almost the last 3 months).
 
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kanucks25 said:
We have been playing better since around the time Miller was traded but I think it has less to do with "addition by subtraction" and more to do with Hronek's return and the two new Petterssons on D providing quite a lot of stabilization.
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The other subtraction since then has been Hughes - you really think that of Miller + Hughes vs Chytil, Hronek, and the Petterssons, the latter group is the one that will drive more offense?
 
PuckMunchkin said:
I dont think that is true at all.

The team simply isn't talented enough to compete.

Especially with Hughes out and EP40 playing at like 15% of his capabilities.
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I don't think that..we could bring in a wizard of a goal scorer.and Tocchet will say...play defense first..and dump and chase...oh yeah we also don't practice the power play much..
 
This is the product you get from a team that for all intents and purposes has played this season without a #1 C, #1D and #1G. How many games has this team iced a fully healthy roster?

Trying to blame FA in 2025 seems like an easy cop out, this seems like the farthest away from meddling in the team he has ever been.
 
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PuckMunchkin said:
He wanted out. He quit trying.

Lets not get all nostalgic for him just quite yet.
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Shh... these people don't need sources.

Baby Pettersson said:
Dude the entire team has quit. We just used Miller as a scapegoat and thought all the problems would go away. Amateur hour is a better way to describe what happened.
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Multiple people have said Miller wanted out, and that the team including more than one star wanted him gone.

Its not celebrating losing Miller. Make no mistake he is an amazing player. but he had to go. In hindsight he should have been traded instead of Bo. I do think that is on Management. they had more knowledge than us fans at the time.
 
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Burke's Evil Spirit said:
Isi outlined some really interesting stats here: Post-Game Talk: - GM 64 | Canadiens def. Canucks | 4-2 (Hronek, EP40) | Merde.

Basically the team has improved offensively, meaningfully, since the MIller trade - which is all the more impressive when you consider how much that period Hughes has been injured. But their shooting percentage has absolutely crashed and they're getting PDO'd.
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I found the stats interesting but they make sense. The biggest change even without Hughes is we have capable puck movers from the back end.

getting the puck out and in controlled has been much better.

the issue is still our system creates little and the general idea is get it to the point and shoot for tips or rebounds.

Its why Myers and Forbot are often among the team leaders in shots.
 
Why’s everyone talking about miller? Even with miller this team isn’t close to being good enough. If they ever become a serious contender it’s because they decide to rebuild.
 
The debate over whether Tocchet can get them far in the playoffs is still valid but I think we should recognize that we need a coach to keep them near the playoffs. Especially considering the injury issues and lack of production from JTM/EP40.

Let's not forget he got us to the playoffs last year. Maybe when/if we become contenders we could swap him out but we also need to stop going through coaches. He's the only person recently that didn't land us bottom 10 in the league in the Benning era.
 
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