Post-Game Talk: GM 60 | Kraken def. Canucks | 6-3 (Suter, Chytil, Joshua) | Pain and Suffering.

[F A N]

My point though is aren't people more mad at MILLER himself for this. Not putting in effort here? Cause it seems strange to me to not be.

I know what you're coming from, I guess when I'm trying to rationalize things my answer is no because I've come to accept the player that Miller is. He's a player whose emotions can run up and down and it can impact his play. And it's not like Miller's offensive production in New York should surprise anyone. If I asked you who was more likely to turn his game around post trade between Petey and Miller who would you have picked?

 

[racerjoe]

I know what you're coming from, I guess when I'm trying to rationalize things my answer is no because I've come to accept the player that Miller is. He's a player whose emotions can run up and down and it can impact his play. And it's not like Miller's offensive production in New York should surprise anyone. If I asked you who was more likely to turn his game around post trade between Petey and Miller who would you have picked?

I would have picked Miller, but that doesn't change the fact i would be mad at it.

One guy gave up on the team... that's as simple as it gets.

There is no denying Petey hasn't been good. Been a shell of what he has been in the past. And I am sure we could get in the weeds on why. But objectively looking at him, he has not given up.

 

[I am toxic]

My point though is aren't people more mad at MILLER himself for this. Not putting in effort here? Cause it seems strange to me to not be.

Nothing is more powerful than cognitive dissonance

And nothing will ever change my mind about that

 

[racerjoe]

Nothing is more powerful than cognitive dissonance

And nothing will ever change my mind about that

I mean... it does sound like toxic behaviour...

 

[MS]

I must have been watching different games than anyone else because JT Miller was our best forward in probably 70% of the games he played this year. Yes, he wasn't as good as last year and yes, there were a few stinkers in there ... but he was easily our best forward right up until the point where he was traded. This notion that he was floating around and quit on the team is just ... not true. The guy ate McDavid alive in one of his last games as a Canuck.

 

[racerjoe]

I must have been watching different games than anyone else because JT Miller was our best forward in probably 70% of the games he played this year. Yes, he wasn't as good as last year and yes, there were a few stinkers in there ... but he was easily our best forward right up until the point where he was traded. This notion that he was floating around and quit on the team is just ... not true. The guy ate McDavid alive in one of his last games as a Canuck.

He absolutely had games where he showed the player he can be. That one included and I think Montreal comes to mind too.

But I think it was closer to 50/50, and near the end closer to 30/70 or worse.

The other part is the games he floated a lot of the time he would literally cost us games with his play. missing assignments and so on.

 

[F A N]

I would have picked Miller, but that doesn't change the fact i would be mad at it.

One guy gave up on the team... that's as simple as it gets.

There is no denying Petey hasn't been good. Been a shell of what he has been in the past. And I am sure we could get in the weeds on why. But objectively looking at him, he has not given up.

Again I get that. But Miller has faced similar criticisms before - body language, not back checking, giving up on the team etc. but through it all he still puts up PPG or more and can turn things around be that dynamic player we've seen. So I guess for me I'm less mad because that's the player I understand him to be. Miller can be a difference maker but when the team is losing, Miller simply isn't the player to set an example for the other players night in and night out like the Sedins.

 

[racerjoe]

Again I get that. But Miller has faced similar criticisms before - body language, not back checking, giving up on the team etc. but through it all he still puts up PPG or more and can turn things around be that dynamic player we've seen. So I guess for me I'm less mad because that's the player I understand him to be. Miller can be a difference maker but when the team is losing, Miller simply isn't the player to set an example for the other players night in and night out like the Sedins.

Thats great... my point was as I said, and contrasting it against people who keep claiming Petey just needs to put in effort or some other nonsense. Thats not to say he doesn't deserve criticism, just I find a lot of the hate against him is misguided

 

[kanucks25]

I must have been watching different games than anyone else because JT Miller was our best forward in probably 70% of the games he played this year. Yes, he wasn't as good as last year and yes, there were a few stinkers in there ... but he was easily our best forward right up until the point where he was traded. This notion that he was floating around and quit on the team is just ... not true. The guy ate McDavid alive in one of his last games as a Canuck.

He absolutely had games where he showed the player he can be. That one included and I think Montreal comes to mind too.

But I think it was closer to 50/50, and near the end closer to 30/70 or worse.

The other part is the games he floated a lot of the time he would literally cost us games with his play. missing assignments and so on.

I thought it was a pretty mixed bag for JT this season.

Some very good games, some very bad games where he was simply a liability, and some other games where he was just as invisible as Petey has been.

Overall, pretty average for Miller's standards but still produced at a decent rate.

I wouldn't say he was our best forward in a lot of games this season because that was mostly Garland (in the first half of the season, has kinda fallen off since at least consistency wise).