Post-Game Talk: GM 47 | Canucks lose 6-2 (Boeser, Hronek) | Hockey is more fun when we win.

[mriswith]

We can't go full on tank mode. The runway isn't there anymore.

We could have loaded up on 2023 1sts when this mgmt first took over and that would have worked great, we had the runway, the timing worked, and the draft class was clearly and foreseeably epic. Hell, we're right now completely reliant on our 2023 pick (Willander) being a home run in order for us to have even a chance at contending during the remainder of the Hughes contract/peak OEL buyout years.

But now we can't. The core is a lot older and Hughes' contract is short. Like it or not, we have to be good right now, we don't have a choice. If we sell it's either a hockey trade or full intent to flip any futures for a right now piece.

The memory of our good defense of last year is getting increasingly distant. Allvin and co. seemed to know what they were doing, but obviously they didn't. There have been a number of fall-offs from last season and the collapse of the defense has to be regarded as one of the most glaring. Tonight, our defensemen, especially on the PK, were abused. Watching the inepitude of the defense in this game should have straightened those thinking Myers doesn't make a diferrence. But, of course, it won't.

Myers being so important to the defense is literally why this team sucks.

If Myers is your 3rd best dman, he's a crucial part of the team and a big difference maker. Also if Myers is your 3rd best dman, your team is total ass.

 

[Wisp]

But then we know FA wont allow that too

Rutherford isn't Benning. He'll do what he thinks is right and FA will listen.

You might not agree with what Rutherford thinks though.

 

[VanJack]

Things have to hit rock bottom, before they can start to get better. And the Canucks are simply a poorly constructed roster that's totally incapable of playing the game Tocchet wants.

Desharnais, Forbort, Soucy and Friedman are seventh d-men at best, even on a lottery team. In the first 10 minutes alone tonight, those guys threw pucks to nobody and wracked up a half dozen icing calls.

Allvin gambled on a blueline band-aid in the off-season, and it's blown up in his face. Man-for-man, when Hughes isn't on the ice, it's one of the worst bluelines in the entire NHL.

I suspect the roster will look dramatically different by March, as they take stock of another lost season. But at least if they elevate some young kids; and made some judicious acquisitions at the TDL, they'll offer Canuck fans a glimmer of hope for next season.

But sadly for Canucks fans---that's about as good as it's going to get.

 

[Lenny Levino]

Trading him is not going to fix this team.The whole core needs to go and Tocchet can f!!k off

It's not about the core or the players at all, really. It's all Tocchet.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

I thought for sure we were going to win right up until puck drop.

 

[Wisp]

Trading him is not going to fix this team.

Keeping him isn't going to fix the team either

 

[Lenny Levino]

Gave up a glorious scoring chance in the first like 30 seconds, knew right then how the game was going to go. Team is never ready to play and simply not engaged.

And this is entirely on the coach. His job is to get his players ready, mentally and physically.

 

[Jay26]

Man, what a disaster. I've been all in on the Australian Open lately and just haven't even been bothered to turn on the Canucks games. It's not even the losing. It's watching them on the ice knowing there's something going on in that room that clearly isn't getting dealt with. At this point they can't even think of trading any draft picks. Can they?

 

[Blue and Green]

Sasson - DiGuiseppe - Karlsson - basically an AHL line. Tied up in their end for much of the game and it was something of miracle they didn't give up any goals. Karlsson skated a little better than earlier efforts but it is impossible seeing him as an NHL player. Sasson needs to head back down. The inability of any the call-ups to establish themselves as bona vide NHL material is just one more inditement of the organization.

People often get their hopes up for AHLers that just don't figure to do much. Di Giuseppe is the epitome of a true tweener-- up and down almost every season, grinding out 300 NHL games to date and the same number in the AHL. Any of Sasson, Bains, down the road Mueller (forget Karlsson) would do well to equal his career and most likely none of them will. They aren't above him on skill or defensive acumen and he can handle a physical game better than they can.

Probably a situation where you need to shuttle guys back and forth; I think sometimes AHLers can ride the wave for awhile but get tired after chasing around superior opposition and need to reset/recuperate in the minors. Time to swap in Raty for Sasson; Raty's not less of a player and he's two years younger so at least there's some reasonable hope that he could still turn into a full-timer in the NHL lineup.

Organization hasn't done well enough in drafting and part of that is that they've traded away so much draft capital to apply short-term fixes. Relying on undrafted guys like Sasson, Bains, McWard, etc., is a mug's game but when you keep trading away first-round draft picks, with some second and third rounders also tossed away...

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

The thing that I hated the most in this game was when Soucy had an opportunity to hammer Perry in the corner—maybe 10 min after Perry had taken down Hughes in that scrum.

And Soucy let up on Perry instead. This team is not looking out for each other. Not even after your captain and best player is wronged.

I would not mind seeing Soucy let go this off-season when his trade protection expires. His play is meh but his attitude is way too laissez-faire. It’s no surprise that Minnesota and Seattle let him go so easily.

100% agree.

 

[CanucksSayEh]

Bullshit that Hoglander is constantly scratched for AHLers. One of the only guys who puts in the effort year round, regardless of results.

 

[Wisp]

And this is entirely on the coach. His job is to get his players ready, mentally and physically.

hard when JT Miller goes and undermines everyone mentally.

 

[TruGr1t]

It's amazing how nearly all of the media focus has been on the forwards all year, and that was largely directed by PA/JR. They stoked those fires hard when the season started poorly.

Meanwhile their almost Benning-tier job on the defense this summer, and I don't say that lightly, is a constant minor footnote. They have successfully distracted everyone from their absolutely atrocious job on the d in summer.

I seriously hope they did not blow up the forwards just to cover up their bad job on the defense, which is bloody obvious anyways. The reality, however, is probably almost worse, which is that Allvin probably believes what he said like just last week about the defense actually being good at defending or something.

 

[vancityluongo]

well that sucked.

- hughes looked tired by the end. he was the only player with any level of spark to him down 5-0. fully responsible for getting the team back in it. then he got hemmed in for like three minutes while soucy was in the box and you could see he was worn down
- having two and a half (soucy) defenseman just doesn't work. friedman was ok, as in at least he can make a break out pass, but he's not an answer to anything. i was fully wrong about desharnais - he sucks, and shouldn't be in the nhl
- demko is not the goalie he was two years ago. there's something really wrong, and what they choose to do might be the biggest inflection point for the team's fortunes.
- zoning in on him for the game, pettersson's issue isn't effort, it's confidence. he should watch tape of leon draisaitl. draisaitl makes the game go at his pace every second he's on the ice. he makes 200 ft backhand passes, even though he knows he might miss his target or mess them up every once in a while. when he's receiving a pass, he's always in full stride because he is 100% confident that he can control the puck. every play is intentional.
- pettersson is the opposite. he flubs simple tape to tape passes because he seems like he expects to mess it up, and so he also doesn't take his full stride. never shoots instinctually, seems like he takes a second to think about if it's the highest percentage play first. he's always hedging. could also look to see how garland plays
- blueger and suter were good - both amongst the top-5 noticeable canucks.
- if that was jt miller's last game as a canuck... it sure wasn't very memorable

 

[maroon 6]

Dare I say, we missed Tyler Myers?

 

[DFAC]

I'm not blaming this loss on Toc. I'm not blaming this loss on the refs, despite the grease they gave the Oil tonight.

Just once this year, I'd like to see Toc tear a strip off the refs IN SUPPORT OF HIS PLAYERS.

He rightly states several times that the refs have a tough job to do. No argument there. But so do the players and coaches, who have to go out after every game and answer to the public - something the refs and their bosses don't have to do.

Tocchet is too busy kissing the refs ****es to stand up for his team. One of the reasons I miss AV

 

[kanucks25]

Dare I say, we missed Tyler Myers?

Myers has been fine and even good for majority of the season (relative to his cap-hit) after a tough start, and playing with Soucy to start probably didn't help considering Soucy was even worse and hasn't really recovered.

He's, unfortunately, the 3rd best D-man on this team so yeah it's a loss.

 

[December5th]

Bullshit that Hoglander is constantly scratched for AHLers. One of the only guys who puts in the effort year round, regardless of results.

thats some sort of sick joke, because hes been playing better then ever these last few games ,in relation to the rest of the season. are you sure he was scratched?

 

[Hansen]

My fuse with Tocchet is starting to run short

They need to tell Desharnais he has one goddamn job on this club, if he sees his Captain get mugged like what Perry does, he has to go and put Perry into the first row of seats. If he can't get that through his head, he can ride the bus in Abbotsford for the rest of his contract.

Hoglander seems to get momentum and then Tocchet scratches him because f*** what else will he do. Juulsen/Forbort/Desharnais all absolute ass and Brannstrom who has the odd hiccup but is the only player in the bottom 4 who can actually skate and make a pass, f***in better launch him into the straight.

Dogshit decisions from management and Tocchet have sunk this season, with a lot of help from bad luck with injuries, but with better decisions this year isnt a write off like its looking like

 

[David71]

boeser is mad in that post-game. don't think i've ever seen him like that.

maybe some fight in these guys yet.

fight? what fight. nobody protected hughes again. let perry mauled and toppled over our captain. what a joke.the culture of the team needs a extreme makeover badly. trade anyone starting tmr. dont need to wait until they get their asses kicked at home by washington . ovi will score 5 goals. miller doesnt care anymore out of answers.

If we can't move Miller and we can't move Petey, unfortunately that leaves the coach as the odd man out. He's out of answers and the players aren't playing for him.

cant be givng this core another coach. its done. trade 2 out of the 3 core players despite the returns.

 

[Glennis the Menace]

cant be givng this core another coach. its done. trade 2 out of the 3 core players despite the returns.

Yes you can. Edmonton's had 5 and so has Winnipeg since 2019. Aqua will never sign off on a rebuild, and we won't get fair value for Miller or Petey.

Tocchet's a good dude, he's been dealt a bad hand, but he has no more answers. He doesn't deserve to get fired: neither did Woodcroft. It's not about fairness or justice — it's 100% failure of the core to see him go — but player contracts are hard to move, and coaches aren't.

Trading down talent and sweetening pots with our best players is Benning-era bad.

 

[David71]

Yes you can. Edmonton's had 5 and so has Winnipeg since 2019. Aqua will never sign off on a rebuild, and we won't get fair value for Miller or Petey.

Tocchet's a good dude, he's been dealt a bad hand, but he has no more answers. He doesn't deserve to get fired: neither did Woodcroft. It's not about fairness or justice — it's 100% failure of the core to see him go — but player contracts are hard to move, and coaches aren't.

Trading down talent and sweetening pots with our best players is Benning-era bad.

give tocchet one more season with a new core. if not then he can leave. mgmnt has an option weather to bring him aboard next season or he can make that decision himself.

 

[Jyrki]

Dare I say, we missed Tyler Myers?

There's a reason why he's comfortable the #3 D-man in the roster. Not because he's comfortable as a Top 4 D-man but because no one else in the team can come close to filling that role.

 

[Jyrki]

The thing that I hated the most in this game was when Soucy had an opportunity to hammer Perry in the corner—maybe 10 min after Perry had taken down Hughes in that scrum.

And Soucy let up on Perry instead. This team is not looking out for each other. Not even after your captain and best player is wronged.

I would not mind seeing Soucy let go this off-season when his trade protection expires. His play is meh but his attitude is way too laissez-faire. It’s no surprise that Minnesota and Seattle let him go so easily.

Last season's Soucy would've absolutely risked a suspension to make Perry eat his own words. What a mess he's been this season, miscast as a top-4 D-man somewhat but his decline has been a lot more than getting worn down.

 

[ExarKun80]

Best moment for the canucks was when Skinny Pete kronwalled Ekholm and put him on his ass.

Miller getting praised for getting an assist on a goal that was 100% Brock shows how flawed it is to judge a players on points. The fact that it was 5-0 for the Oilers makes it even more ridiculous. The faster he gets shipped out the the better for the franchise. He annoyed not just Pete but also Brock and Demko. There is nothing more to be said about a dude who managed to piss off Bo Horvat.