Post-Game Talk: GM 17 | Preds def. Canucks | 5-3 (Raty, Pettersson, Sherwood) | Pain.

mossey3535

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Didn't know there was a game, just skimmed through the extended highlights.

Man, Myers and Soucy were terrible again.

Free Soucy (who hasn't been great) and give him literally anybody other than Myers. Myers should be on bottom pair.

Stop putting them out there on the PK honestly, they haven't good for awhile. At some point there has to be consequences for poor play. Why does Myers and/or Soucy never sit? Both should be in the pressbox even if they have to alternate taking them out of the lineup. They're not even willing to demote either to the bottom pair.
 

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Bluesky embeds don't show vids but if you click the link you can see why Miller might have been benched (assuming Tocchet isn't lying about it being injury related)


Edit: found the twitter post
He's been dogging it going to the bench on line changes sometimes too. It's obvious he's been playing through some sort of injury but he's also giving some pretty bad vibes.

One thing I noticed tonight was the Hughes-Hronek pair on the ice with the 4th line quite a bit. I know it's not a typical 4th line and Heinen and Raty in particular were good tonight, but when you have a guy like Hughes and a team built the way ours is, you really need to make a point of getting him on the ice with the top 2 lines. They don't do that consistently and tonight it was particularly noticeable.

We need a top-4 defenseman, we need Boeser back, and we need an actual breakout strategy.
 
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The only thing that would make sense is Tocchet meant that his benching tonight was related to his play tonight. He openly stated last month he was hurt and that's why he wasn't taking faceoffs. Not nearly as concerned about it as some are in here, as much as I am about the team just looking like it's their first times playing together
 

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Lankinen was a nice story for awhile......but appears to be coming back down to earth in a hurry. Not too surprising, really. His MO is that he's a career backup. This run of games to start the year is the longest stretch he's played in his NHL career.

This team is really starting to miss Demko. Last year he was able to cover so many of the mistakes they were making in their own zone.....but this year, they're going into the net.
 

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Lankinen was a nice story for awhile......but appears to be coming back down to earth in a hurry. Not too surprising, really. His MO is that he's a career backup. This run of games to start the year is the longest stretch he's played in his NHL career.
When I pointed this out in defense of Silovs, I got dumped on.

Anyways, when Demko and Boeser are back, this team will be better, provided Demko has been able to learn to play with the injury since there was no surgery possible on it.
 

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Sadly, I do worry that may be the case, and even if not..... he's certainly not reliable, which ends up being sort of the same thing.
A goalie missing this much time is the red flag. I watch kyper and Bourne and Steve Valiquette who is well connected to the goalie world says ian clark who was the Canucks goaltending coach is well known for working goalies hard in practice (ie. having demko repeatedly go down hard in practice). It’s likely why Canucks management forced him out of the position. Also Steve Valiquette said whatever is ailing demko it’s something that won’t be rectified and is something demko will have to play with. Demko is toast unfortunately. See price, bishop, Murray, Schneider, Crawford…
 
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I don’t think that answer suggests that he’s not hurt, only that he was underperforming regardless of being hurt. Miller wasn’t really much better last year than he was in ‘22 or ‘20, so I can’t see it being a one year wonder. Though he seems to alternate his good and bad years.
One year wonder as in the one year where he wasn’t a lazy ass
 

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We're not even 20 games in and Tocchet is already being forced to ride Hughes like a rented mule. It isn't sustainable over the longer haul.

Tonight he was expected to carry just about every d-partner. In the third period alone, was out there with Myers, Soucy and even Brannstrom. Hughes needs some help--and fast.

Hughes is a top D-man in the league (THE top D-man last year). He's averaging 25 minutes per game which is what one would expect (he's 6th in average ice in the league). He is not going to burn out. It IS sustainable as almost every top D-man in the history of the league has played that amount game in and game out for years. As one example...Doughty has averaged 26+ minutes a game since he entered the league in 08-09. Or his counter part on the ice last night...Josi.

Hughes playin 25 minutes isn't the concern. He better be playing that amount. The concern is the second pairing. It needs to be addressed. The chaos giraffe needs a better babysitter than Soucy. Or the chaos giraffe needs to be moved to give Soucy a partner he can play with.

And on thing to keep in mind...while they haven't played well they are second in the division by Pt%. A team that can play at a 101 point pace while playing poorly is a very good team.
 
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JT Milker

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Hughes is a top D-man in the league (THE top D-man last year). He's averaging 25 minutes per game which is what one would expect (he's 6th in average ice in the league). He is not going to burn out. It IS sustainable as almost every top D-man in the history of the league has played that amount game in and game out for years. As one example...Doughty has averaged 26+ minutes a game since he entered the league in 08-09. Or his counter part on the ice last night...Josi.

Hughes playin 25 minutes isn't the concern. He better be playing that amount. The concern is the second pairing. It needs to be addressed. The chaos giraffe needs a better babysitter than Soucy. Or the chaos giraffe needs to be moved to give Soucy a partner he can play with.

And on thing to keep in mind...while they haven't played well they are second in the division by Pt%. A team that can play at a 101 point pace while playing poorly is a very good team.
People are galaxy braining our issues. We need a more competent 2nd pairing and we need our top players to play well rather than take turns sucking.
 

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This team can only go as far as #43 is going to carry them. When he's off, everything looks out of sorts.
Blame NOT the players.
Tocchet now has 7/8 players that are pretty much the same

Hienen, Blueger, Sherwwood, Joshua, Hoglander, DeBrusk, Suter, Bains,

With Raty, Aman and EP trying hard to go that way, boards guys

With Miller being similar only with more skill

2015/2016 - 17 games, 19 pts, 50 GF 42 GA home record 2W 3L 3OTL 3rd in division
This year - 17 games, 21 pts, 54 GF 55 GA home record 3W 4L 3OTL 3rd in division
 

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A lot of comments about losing to the worst team in the NHL, but I’d asterisk that pretty hard. Yes Nashville has the worst record, but not many predicted they’d be this bad out of the gate. They were right with us in the playoffs last year, are well coached, have a Vezina caliber goalie and a Norris caliber defensemen and some good pieces. They are definitely better than their standing indicates, and I think last nights game is the kind of game that can be a turning point for them (which sucks as these things always seem to happen against us).

Didn’t actually think the team played that badly, especially for the second half of a back to back. We got some bad breaks around their net, the refs and linesman called the game like they had somewhere to be, and our PK just didn’t get it done.

Probably Aatu Raty’s best game as a Canuck. When I talk about bounces around the net, he almost had 1 or 2 more.

Ferraro commented on it, but after fighting the puck all game (year?) in the third period, Soucy and Myers suddenly were moving it well. You’d like to think they can carry that over, but I’m not holding my breath.

Juulsen/Brannstrom were the better pair for most of the game. For all the criticism Juulsen has taken, he was good last night. Brannstrom looks extremely confident rushing the puck and in the attacking zone. Still a bit of an adventure in his own end, but you take the trade off.

Petey continues to look much more like himself - he and Sherwood look really good together, too. Also got to give Danton Heinen some flowers - usually plays a very quiet game, and there he is with 2 assists at the end of it.

Lekkerimaki made a really nice skill play to start the play that lead to Pettersson’s goal, but got outmuscled a lot all over the ice. Still a ways to go but the promise is there, and these games should be a good taste that informs the things he needs to focus on.

After a super human start, Lankinen has had a bit of a tough stretch. Got beat clean on a few and caught deep in his crease on occasion, too. Hope this is just a case of load management vs. A scenario like DeSmith last year, who started strong and then struggled mightily.

If it was indeed performance based for Miller rather than injury, hope he gets the message.
 

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A lot of comments about losing to the worst team in the NHL, but I’d asterisk that pretty hard. Yes Nashville has the worst record, but not many predicted they’d be this bad out of the gate. They were right with us in the playoffs last year, are well coached, have a Vezina caliber goalie and a Norris caliber defensemen and some good pieces. They are definitely better than their standing indicates, and I think last nights game is the kind of game that can be a turning point for them (which sucks as these things always seem to happen against us).

Didn’t actually think the team played that badly, especially for the second half of a back to back. We got some bad breaks around their net, the refs and linesman called the game like they had somewhere to be, and our PK just didn’t get it done.

Probably Aatu Raty’s best game as a Canuck. When I talk about bounces around the net, he almost had 1 or 2 more.

Ferraro commented on it, but after fighting the puck all game (year?) in the third period, Soucy and Myers suddenly were moving it well. You’d like to think they can carry that over, but I’m not holding my breath.

Juulsen/Brannstrom were the better pair for most of the game. For all the criticism Juulsen has taken, he was good last night. Brannstrom looks extremely confident rushing the puck and in the attacking zone. Still a bit of an adventure in his own end, but you take the trade off.

Petey continues to look much more like himself - he and Sherwood look really good together, too. Also got to give Danton Heinen some flowers - usually plays a very quiet game, and there he is with 2 assists at the end of it.

Lekkerimaki made a really nice skill play to start the play that lead to Pettersson’s goal, but got outmuscled a lot all over the ice. Still a ways to go but the promise is there, and these games should be a good taste that informs the things he needs to focus on.

After a super human start, Lankinen has had a bit of a tough stretch. Got beat clean on a few and caught deep in his crease on occasion, too. Hope this is just a case of load management vs. A scenario like DeSmith last year, who started strong and then struggled mightily.

If it was indeed performance based for Miller rather than injury, hope he gets the message.
Cut and paste. Several "They lost but look at al the good things and ignore they lost" or "they looked good losing"

Some of the post is just analysis which is good but the "hope" still bleeds through.

The roster construction is flawed, that's on Allvin and Tocchet.

Tocchet got rid of scorers in favour of boards guys, now he has 7 all pretty much the same.
What gets praise, hits, dump and chase, have the puck then give it to the other team and fight for it? This becomes so dependent on great goal tending because the defence HAS to pinch and the forwards are so deep they lose defensive positioning scrambling to get back into their own zone.

Defence isn't deep enough long enough, fast enough and playing outside of their comfort zone. Hughes gets all the PP time so these others sit around for extended time.

Some people complain about the refs'. Really? Watch Sherwood, easily half his hits are seconds late or even interference. I have seen Canuck players with their arms wrapped around opponents around the net, almost like a tackle and no call

Don't blame the players for the construction and directions on how to play by those that make decisions.

Miller takes the heat for Pettersson losing Stamkos even with Miller waving at him to look supposedly? Really or was it something said on the bench? Miller isn't the type of guy to stay quiet if frustrated or plssed off.
Tocchet said "I don't know why" and looks distant now in media scrums. I think last night with so many being sent out to face the media it was his way of saying "You explain it", a form of you face the music I'm done. It also ran the clock out on the national viewing.
He gets asked a question he doesn't like and he scratches his face using the middle finger.

32nd in the league. Ferraro's if it wasn't for that bad 7 minutes, sort of like "if we scored more"or "if we played better" Captain Obvious stuff. "We were pretty good until they scored more goals than us"

The Preds are panicking and they are only 3 wins behind the Canucks
 

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