GDT: GM #13 LA Kings vs Toronto Maple Leafs @7:30

[Legionnaire]

This isnt about wasting a 1st round pick.

He was a great player at Michigan. I truly believe that wrist injury he sustained pretty much ruined his career because after that he didn't have the same shot as he did before. Still fast, but basically just became a smaller Craig Johnson.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

My god I am perfectly happy to not have to deal with TO again until late May 2018 at the earliest.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

On the positive side , Macdermid is just getting better every time game he plays. The next time the Kings play Calgary, they should pair him with Drew.

MacDermid had a ok game but i wouldn't go as far as saying he is getting better every game. He only played 9 mins 51 secs. His best game would be the game he scored in against Montreal. He played 13 mins 31 secs and seem to make a good play on each of his season high 22 shifts He need to play at least 12 mins imo to make him worth while on the roster

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

On the positive side , Macdermid is just getting better every time game he plays. The next time the Kings play Calgary, they should pair him with Drew.

I like him so much more than McNabb. He seems to know when to pick his spots and doesn't go out of his way to deliver a big hit.
I also like how precise he is with his point shots. He doesn't use a big wind up, he just tries to get it through and on net.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

My god I am perfectly happy to not have to deal with TO again until late May 2018 at the earliest.

Id be perfectly happy to play them again in June

 

[Basilisk]

I'm sorry, but that refereeing was atrocious. It actually sickened me to the point where I had to fast-forward through the final 12 minutes of the game. It was almost as if those NHL officials in Toronto called the referees at Staples Center and commanded "just make up a bunch of stuff. It doesn't matter, as long as the Leafs win". Seriously, I felt as if our Kings were 14-year-old boys while the referees were 24-year-old Kevin Spaceys. It just made me uncomfortable the whole time....

 

[KingsFan7824]

On the positive side , Macdermid is just getting better every time game he plays. The next time the Kings play Calgary, they should pair him with Drew.

There was that one play right in front of Quick where he was caught completely flat footed. Quick saved the shot with the back of his leg or whatever it was. If MacDermid is going to be good anywhere, it has to be at that spot on the ice.

 

[regulate]

There was that one play right in front of Quick where he was caught completely flat footed. Quick saved the shot with the back of his leg or whatever it was. If MacDermid is going to be good anywhere, it has to be at that spot on the ice.

 

[tny760]

i mean up until kopi appears he's playing that as a 2 on 1 and his job is to take away the pass, which is what he did

that's just a really, really nice forehand to backhand move by hyman. imo it's hard to criticize him for missing the stick check on that, which i also think was the right move.

 

[BigKing]

They left MacDermid out to dry twice with one of them being the GIF above. The other was a clear 2-on-1 that he stopped.

He's playing well. Very decisive with the puck which is huge for a guy that isn't going to wow with his stick handling.

Everyone loves Fantenberg, but he got walked around last night worse than the GIF of MacD above. At least this guy made a move on Mac...seemed like the Leafs player skated right by/through Fantenberg like he was a ghost.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

MacD was in terrible position to get burned by Zack Hyman. It is what it is and I love the guy, but that's a learning curve moment. Take the puck or the body, I don't care, but don't put your body so far away you're practically on the goal line then get burned on one easy stickhandle to the inside by the worst offensive forward on TO's roster because you bite so damn hard on the shot. No one needs to make excuses for him, that's a beer league play. A BAD beer league. That was Hyman at low speed, not a full-steam-ahead Tarasenko. I do agree he was washing away the 2-on-1 at first but he backed into the corner.

Not really mad about that play in the grand scheme of things because he's learning and developing quickly, but don't be scared to call a bad play a bad play.

 

[Kingspiracy]

I'm sorry, but that refereeing was atrocious. It actually sickened me to the point where I had to fast-forward through the final 12 minutes of the game. It was almost as if those NHL officials in Toronto called the referees at Staples Center and commanded "just make up a bunch of stuff. It doesn't matter, as long as the Leafs win". Seriously, I felt as if our Kings were 14-year-old boys while the referees were 24-year-old Kevin Spaceys. It just made me uncomfortable the whole time....

While I agree the refs were bad, I don't think that there was anything sexual in their calls.

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

This isnt about wasting a 1st round pick.

How are they even remotely comparable, then? Yes, their first names both start with 'J' and they both played college hockey. Other than that...?

Tambellini was the 23rd overall pick in a deep draft. He was undoubtedly a bust (some of that is one Dave Taylor and the Kings' scouting and development staff). Even then, 23rd overall picks don't turn into good NHL players very often. Brodzinski was a 5th round pick. 5th round picks play 100+ NHL games 13.3% of the time, let alone turn into good NHL players. If you were expecting Brodzinski to do something miraculous, well, then that's your own fault.

http://www.tsn.ca/statistically-speaking-expected-value-of-nhl-draft-picks-1.317819

...
This latest update goes through NHL Drafts from 1990 through 2010, leaving some time for the 2010 picks to establish an NHL career, and assigned a numerical value to each of the players selected, using the following guidelines:

10 - Generational
9 - Elite Player
8 - First Line, Top Pair D
7 - Top Six Forward, Top Four D
6 - Top Nine Forward, Top Six D
5 - NHL Regular, 350+ NHL games
4 - Fringe NHLer, 200+ NHL games
3 - Very Good Minor Leaguer, 50-200 NHL games
2 - Minor Leaguer, under 50 NHL games
1 - 10 or fewer NHL games
...
No. 23
Average Rating: 4.60
Best: Ray Whitney, Todd Bertuzzi, Ryan Kesler
Worst: Mikka Elomo, Craig Hillier, Tyler Cuma
Ranked 7 or better: 33.3%
Ranked 5 or worse: 57.1%
At least 100 NHL games (or extremely likely): 71.4%
...
No. 136-150
Average Rating: 1.67
Best: Ryan Miller, Jake Muzzin, Brendan Gallagher
Ranked 7 or better: 2.5%
Ranked 5 or worse: 93.0%
At least 100 NHL games (or extremely likely): 13.3%

All that being said, Brodzinski still has a chance of contributing this year and beyond.

How did a Brodzinski/Tambellini comparison even ever come to your mind from a game against Toronto where Brodzinski didn't play. That has to be the most confusing aspect of your statement.

 

[BigKing]

MacD was in terrible position to get burned by Zack Hyman. It is what it is and I love the guy, but that's a learning curve moment. Take the puck or the body, I don't care, but don't put your body so far away you're practically on the goal line then get burned on one easy stickhandle to the inside by the worst offensive forward on TO's roster because you bite so damn hard on the shot. No one needs to make excuses for him, that's a beer league play. A BAD beer league. That was Hyman at low speed, not a full-steam-ahead Tarasenko. I do agree he was washing away the 2-on-1 at first but he backed into the corner.

Not really mad about that play in the grand scheme of things because he's learning and developing quickly, but don't be scared to call a bad play a bad play.

It was definitely a bad play but I think it is rough to single him out and then GIF it while there are horrible plays going on all night. Muzzin's entire game tape from last night comes to mind, as well as the Fantenberg play I mentioned.

Regardless, hopefully he learns from it and doesn't look that silly ever again.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

It was definitely a bad play but I think it is rough to single him out and then GIF it while there are horrible plays going on all night. Muzzin's entire game tape from last night comes to mind, as well as the Fantenberg play I mentioned.

Regardless, hopefully he learns from it and doesn't look that silly ever again.

To be fair I think that was GIF'ed for the Quickie save. But I agree.

 

[kingsfan28]

I didn't watch the games but watched the highlights this morning and saw that. At first I was like, "Awesome defensive play by Kopi.", then saw that Matthews just fanned on it, then saw that he was awarded a penalty shot, and I was like "WTF? How?" Gotta give to one of the league darlings I guess.

There's no way the back ref is in a position to make any penalty shot call. He can't see what's actually happening and clearly assumed he was fouled.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

How are they even remotely comparable, then? Yes, their first names both start with 'J' and they both played college hockey. Other than that...?

Tambellini was the 23rd overall pick in a deep draft. He was undoubtedly a bust (some of that is one Dave Taylor and the Kings' scouting and development staff). Even then, 23rd overall picks don't turn into good NHL players very often. Brodzinski was a 5th round pick. 5th round picks play 100+ NHL games 13.3% of the time, let alone turn into good NHL players. If you were expecting Brodzinski to do something miraculous, well, then that's your own fault.

http://www.tsn.ca/statistically-speaking-expected-value-of-nhl-draft-picks-1.317819



All that being said, Brodzinski still has a chance of contributing this year and beyond.

How did a Brodzinski/Tambellini comparison even ever come to your mind from a game against Toronto where Brodzinski didn't play. That has to be the most confusing aspect of your statement.

I am comparing skillsets here. I repeat skillsets. Just skip this nonsense of draftspot. I am not talking about that.

If anything, I never had any hopes for Brodzinski at all. Never had. He was an overager and late round pick and people thought it was a gem. Thats the problem. If he was, he wouldnt last until the 5th round. He already had good numbers when he got drafted so there were obvious questionmarks.

Both Tambellini and Brodzinski, speedy forwards with a very good wrist shot with average size. Both tearing up the AHL but not good enough for NHL. Very similar but for some reason you keep whining about Tambellini being a 1st rounder and Brodz a 5th rounder.

Next time, just for you, I will only compare players drafted in the same round. Just for you.

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

Well when you say "Brodzinski is another Tambellini" you can't ignore the context of one being a first round pick and one being a fifth round pick, especially when you're clearly saying it in a derisive manner of Brodzinski. Many players picked in the 5th round have been smallish wingers with good wrist shots that didn't/haven't turned into NHL regulars. That doesn't make them "another Tambellini." It makes them a normal 5th round pick that didn't beat the long odds, like other types of players picked later in the draft.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Well when you say "Brodzinski is another Tambellini" you can't ignore the context of one being a first round pick and one being a fifth round pick, especially when you're clearly saying it in a derisive manner of Brodzinski. Many players picked in the 5th round have been smallish wingers with good wrist shots that didn't/haven't turned into NHL regulars. That doesn't make them "another Tambellini." It makes them a normal 5th round pick that didn't beat the long odds, like other types of players picked later in the draft.

The difference is;

1) That Brodzinski was praised more and more over the years.
2) Same skillset.
3) Same size.
4) Both college players,
5) Both good AHL'ers.


and there is where it goes wrong between us.

Of course 98% never will be anything in the NHL. You wouldnt here me whine about a Kings 5th rounder nobody ever talked about who fails to make it. Of course not.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

The difference is;

1) That Brodzinski was praised more and more over the years.
2) Same skillset.
3) Same size.
4) Both college players,
5) Both good AHL'ers.


and there is where it goes wrong between us.

Of course 98% never will be anything in the NHL. You wouldnt here me whine about a Kings 5th rounder nobody ever talked about who fails to make it. Of course not.

The projection matters, though--Tambellini was expected to be a top-sixer, Brodz was expected to be depth (middle-sixer); they don't really have the same projected skillset as Tambellini was a speedster considered one of the best skaters in his draft with a brilliant wrist shot, while Brodz was more of an all-around player and shooter.

Criticism is always commensurate with expectations. Tambellini was an expected top sixer who busted. Brodzinski receives praise for railing against the odds as a fifth round pick. predicting a 5th round pick to fail doesn't make you a wizard and chest thumping to other posters about your scouting acumen there is going to result in some expectedly furrowed brows.

Don't mistake people cheering on a guy and hoping he makes it because his skillset is looking good for his role and because we've had success deep in the draft for people going "OMG what a gem."

People are 'whining' he didn't make it because he showed us a bit of talent last year then did nothing this year with a roster spot that was his for the taking. I didn't see you posting last year talking about what a failure he was so of course when you come out of the woodwork to say "I knew it all along" it's going to be poorly received.

And I say this with respect, because I've grown to appreciate your posts more over time and your criticism like many others is often warranted. In this case, you're possibly completely correct (Brodzinski has an identity-less game to me right now, like Scott Parse). But the Tambellini comparison is faulty.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

The projection matters, though--Tambellini was expected to be a top-sixer, Brodz was expected to be depth (middle-sixer); they don't really have the same projected skillset as Tambellini was a speedster considered one of the best skaters in his draft with a brilliant wrist shot, while Brodz was more of an all-around player and shooter.

Criticism is always commensurate with expectations. Tambellini was an expected top sixer who busted. Brodzinski receives praise for railing against the odds as a fifth round pick. predicting a 5th round pick to fail doesn't make you a wizard and chest thumping to other posters about your scouting acumen there is going to result in some expectedly furrowed brows.

Don't mistake people cheering on a guy and hoping he makes it because his skillset is looking good for his role and because we've had success deep in the draft for people going "OMG what a gem."

Expected by whom or because you say so ? You just give your opinion and act like you talk for everybody. That is what you are doing.

As for the chest thumping, I can only laugh about that. Its never a popular thing to criticise a Kings prospect and thats the problem here. If you want to call that chest thumping, fine bud.

Same happened with Zykov, McKeown and Cernak. Dont you dare to say that they arent very good because its hard to swallow for some and look where they are now.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Expected by whom or because you say so ? You just give your opinion and act like you talk for everybody. That is what you are doing.

As for the chest thumping, I can only laugh about that. Its never a popular thing to criticise a Kings prospect and thats the problem here. If you want to call that chest thumping, fine bud.

Same happened with Zykov, McKeown and Cernak. Dont you dare to say that they arent very good because its hard to swallow for some and look where they are now.

Expected by draft position. Do you draft a guy early in teh first and expect him to be a bottom-sixer? do you draft a fifth rounder expecting him to be a 1RW? I don't feel like that's especially controversial.

The 'chest thumping' isn't a criticism because your take is unpopular, I said that because your attitude is smug and "I knew it."

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Expected by draft position. Do you draft a guy early in teh first and expect him to be a bottom-sixer? do you draft a fifth rounder expecting him to be a 1RW? I don't feel like that's especially controversial.

The 'chest thumping' isn't a criticism because your take is unpopular, I said that because your attitude is smug and "I knew it."

I have been wrong many times, many times. Probably more often than I have been right.

Just not now (I think) and neither with Cernak, McKeown and possibly Zykov.

There was no ''chest thumping'' I just said, another Tambellini. Unfortunately I had to explain it.

 

[The Tikkanen]

Not to pile on but drafted right after Tambellini was Corey Perry. Only 3 skaters in the first round scored less points for their career than Tambo. He did have a pretty good year for the Syracuse Crunch in 15-16, so if you live in Syracuse you might not think he was a tremendous bust.