Post-Game Talk: GM 08 | Canes def. Canucks | 4-3 (OT) (Boeser, Hughes, Suter) | So close.

[StickShift]

Crazy how little impact our $11.6m player is having on the game.

That contract is unmovable. He's not going anywhere.

The league will definitely hold his performance against the Canucks in trade talks—but I think other GMs are also acutely aware that he is sulking on the Canucks and would be a different player on a different team. It reminds me a lot of Jack Eichel towards the end of his time with Buffalo.

Superstar 1C caliber players are incredibly rare and hardly ever become available. Make no mistake he has demonstrated he can get to that level. There will be no shortage of suitors. Some teams have gone decades without such a player.

It's just a shame that he's decided to coast as a low-end 2C with Vancouver rather than play to his full potential. But, the likelihood is that the package of parts we get back for him will contribute more than what this current version of Pettersson in Vancouver would contribute.

 

[LordBacon]

I have quarterbacked many a PP

Bro is Italian confirmed

 

[thecupismine]

Once again matched the eye test. Myers looked much better with Brannstrom, and Soucy/VD were pretty brutal. First line was good, second was brutal, and the rest were fine-ish, with some good individual performances sprinkled in.

Have to think Forbert gets in next game.

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

Pretty good game overall, if the Canucks OT record was reversed we’d be 1st in the division in terms of point percentage, not concerned about OT/shootout as it’s meaningless in the playoffs, solid start overall to the season for the Club.

 

[kanucks25]

sitting 8th overall in pt% and that's with playing mediocre hockey so far this year. Get some things corrected and this team will be very, very, very good.

Agreed.

This place is has been quite up and down with every game so far, which is not a surprise given it's the first season in like over a decade in which we've had any real expectations.

After every loss it's X player needs to be scratched and Y player has a terrible contract yet standings wise we are one of the better teams in the league despite not many of our players looking like they're on top of their game.

Now goaltending has a lot to do with that, and Lankinen's play surely isn't sustainable. But at the same time, a lot of the defensive issues appear to be correctable. Overall ability and talent does look to be lacking when it comes to the D-men in particular but that is likely to be rectified via trade sooner or later.

I actually haven't liked our overall game so far this season and haven't even been that pleased with our play in the games we've won. But being able to squeak out points in stretches where you're not at your best is one of the marks of a good team.

I believe the more consistent / 60-minute efforts are still to come.

 

[Peter Griffin]

This is the interesting question, who’s trading valuable players for 11.5M of currently wasted cap? Maybe you can sell the idea that he’ll rebound in a new situation?

You gotta target a desperate team that normally doesn’t attract higher profile players, Buffalo, Ottawa, maybe even Detroit? All those teams have assets and cap they could move to make a trade for EP make sense for both sides.

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

Brannstrom & Bains have played well but please keep them on the 3rd pairing and 4th line respectively. It’s where they play more comfortable and effective, where they are net positive players keeping things simple.

Really impressed with the evolution of Boeser’s game, has become a great winger in all 3 zones, our version of Mark Stone.

 

[calnuck]

You gotta target a desperate team that normally doesn’t attract higher profile players, Buffalo, Ottawa, maybe even Detroit? All those teams have assets and cap they could move to make a trade for EP make sense for both sides.

I said it in another thread but if theres a trade to get Tkachuk out of Ottawa I’d take it and run. Never going to happen since he’s their captain but still it’s nice to dream lol

 

[bossram]

Like I said in the GDT, the Canes are still an elite team and the "subtractions" from the offseason were not going to hamper them like the pundits predicted.

If not for Lankinen, the game would have been far out of hand early. At least they scraped a point out of it (thanks to Kochetkov for going YOLO).

Brannstrom train is gaining more steam! Should not have started the season in the AHL. He's their third best defenseman.

 

[arttk]

Once again matched the eye test. Myers looked much better with Brannstrom, and Soucy/VD were pretty brutal. First line was good, second was brutal, and the rest were fine-ish, with some good individual performances sprinkled in.

Have to think Forbert gets in next game.

Looks like Desharnais is going to be a project for Foote and Toc

 

[Szechwan]

You gotta target a desperate team that normally doesn’t attract higher profile players, Buffalo, Ottawa, maybe even Detroit? All those teams have assets and cap they could move to make a trade for EP make sense for both sides.

CBJ would be able to put together a very nice package.

 

[StreetHawk]

I said it in another thread but if theres a trade to get Tkachuk out of Ottawa I’d take it and run. Never going to happen since he’s their captain but still it’s nice to dream lol

Captain smaptain. Tkachuck is in year 7, now into the halfway mark of his 8 year deal. If things don't go well for Ott, they may need to move him before his trade protection activates on July 1 unless they are certain he wants to stay. Don't want to hand the leverage over to him post July 1 where he can dictate his destination.

Ottawa is a mess. Everything looked on track for them then 2021 happens and they go nuts drafting Boucher in round 1, then it's the DCat trade, then Chrychrun trade in back to back years. That's gutted their drafts for 3 seasons with no benefit PO wise.

 

[theguardianII]

I said it in another thread but if theres a trade to get Tkachuk out of Ottawa I’d take it and run. Never going to happen since he’s their captain but still it’s nice to dream lol

Tkachuk, either of them are Tocchet guys, but then most of the league would have them as their type.

Well the game was a test.
It ended up a goalie steal.
As a coach there were numerous areas that should be of concern.

The demands put on the players is starting to build.
They just didn't seem equal to the Canes.

The goalie kept it close and got them a point.
But no where near a masterpiece.

EP had a couple good shifts, looked like Sprong was starting to mesh with him.

Tocchet's comments about the PP kind of show his system will count on goals from the PP for success.

They got a loser point.

 

[credulous]

i couldn't watch the game live but i watched it this morning and nearly turned it off halfway through. team played better after that so i'm glad i didn't but there's some real passengers on this roster. hoglander, heinen, debrusk and desharnais all look like guys playing too far up the lineup (or in the lineup at all in the case of heinen and desharnais)

desharnais is consistently disappointing. i wasn't expecting pronger but i was expecting him to be more engaged and to use his size more effectively. he mostly just stands around and waves his stick at the puck

debrusk is a guy i was skeptical of but it could be a real long 7 years with him if he doesn't step it up. he hasn't been terrible but he's so vanilla. not particularly fast, not particularly physical, not a good shooter, not a good playmaker. he really needs to up the effort level if he's going to be a positive aspect of this roster. could replace with him with sherwood or pdg right now and i don't think it would really hold miller and boeser back

i'm not worried about miller and hughes (even though both had rough games) but i am worried about myers and soucy. both have seriously dropped off from last season. going to hurt if they're relied on to fill minutes if they can't improve

not sold on brannstrom yet either. he reminds me of when bear came here and people were hailing his very basic and barely replacement level play as something revolutionary because he wasn't making the same mistakes as the rest of the defense at the time

 

[Lindgren]

Like I said in the GDT, the Canes are still an elite team and the "subtractions" from the offseason were not going to hamper them like the pundits predicted.

If not for Lankinen, the game would have been far out of hand early. At least they scraped a point out of it (thanks to Kochetkov for going YOLO).

Brannstrom train is gaining more steam! Should not have started the season in the AHL. He's their third best defenseman.

Hughes Myers
Brannstrom Hronek
Soucy Forbert

Keep Myers' time down by giving Hronek a few extra shifts there.

 

[MS]

You gotta target a desperate team that normally doesn’t attract higher profile players, Buffalo, Ottawa, maybe even Detroit? All those teams have assets and cap they could move to make a trade for EP make sense for both sides.

@Szechwan mentioned it above but CBJ is a team with the cap space and the assets to make a significant move and they're also a market that struggles to attract talent in the right point of their organizational curve to be looking at a deal like this.

I don't think we're at that point yet ... but if we don't see an improvement by game 25 or so of the season you really have to start thinking about it.

 

[bossram]

Hughes Myers
Brannstrom Hronek
Soucy Forbert

Keep Myers' time down by giving Hronek a few extra shifts there.

I get it, but Tocc will be loathe to move away from Hughes-Hronek. That pair shreds the league. With them on the ice, the Canucks are an elite, elite team.

I suspect they'll try to tweak the lineup and find away to prop up their non-Hughes/Hronek minutes. Maybe Brannstrom/Myers is the short-term solution.

 

[Lindgren]

I get it, but Tocc will be loathe to move away from Hughes-Hronek. That pair shreds the league. With them on the ice, the Canucks are an elite, elite team.

I suspect they'll try to tweak the lineup and find away to prop up their non-Hughes/Hronek minutes. Maybe Brannstrom/Myers is the short-term solution.

I didn't really know what to do with the pairs after Brannstrom/Hronek, which I agree Tocchet is very unlkely to try. But it feels like that pair might work, and then you find somebody who's adequate with Hughes, and you've got two good pairs instead of one.

McWard. Bring up McWard to play with Hughes ...

 

[StreetHawk]

@Szechwan mentioned it above but CBJ is a team with the cap space and the assets to make a significant move and they're also a market that struggles to attract talent in the right point of their organizational curve to be looking at a deal like this.

I don't think we're at that point yet ... but if we don't see an improvement by game 25 or so of the season you really have to start thinking about it.

I figure your ask is Fantilli since CBJ has Lindstrom coming up at C to be 2C behind Petey. Waddell was GM in Car when apparently the 2 clubs discussed a Petey move.

But Fantilli isn't going to propel the Canucks into a contender status this season.

 

[SopelFanThe3rd]

Bro is Italian confirmed

I'm not but I'll put my D in your Giuseppe

 

[MS]

I figure your ask is Fantilli since CBJ has Lindstrom coming up at C to be 2C behind Petey. Waddell was GM in Car when apparently the 2 clubs discussed a Petey move.

But Fantilli isn't going to propel the Canucks into a contender status this season.

I’d ask for Sillinger + Jiricek, probably. I doubt they move Fantilli.

 

[StreetHawk]

I’d ask for Sillinger + Jiricek, probably. I doubt they move Fantilli.

I think that is more in line with what Car was offering. Silling is a 2/3C. Jiricek, have no clue what's going on with him in CBJ. Played in the A for 55 games after he was drafted. Then as usually with bad clubs, he spent 1/3 in A and 2/3 in NHL last season. And was a healthy scratch for the first 3 or 4 games this season til Gudbranson got hurt. And he's one of 3 RHD they have with Severson/Gudbranson. The other 5 D are left shots.

That's not a great return really. Even if they gave you Lindstrom over Sillinger or Jiricek, he's not a contributing NHLer (above his cap hit) for another 2-3 years.