Value of: Gibson

[canuckslover10]

Gibson seems to be having a bounce back season but my god he should have been traded a while ago he has seen any meaningful games in a while, it is obvious that the Ducks view Dostal as the future so what would it cost to get a goalie like Gibson?

As a base I think Demko for Gibson as a framework can work as Demko has only two years left on his contract compared to Gibsons 3 and Demko is being paid 5 million compared to Gibsons 6.4 million, although Demko has had a tough go with injuries and I don't think the Canucks are in the position to be patient.

So what would you guys believe to be his value in order to get him out of Anaheim?

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[John Mandalorian]

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[Rec T]

Since he came back from having his appendix out, iirc Gibson has taken more starts than Dostal, so he's still more or less considered 'the' guy there (that's NOT to say Dostal is available, he's obviously the bright future). It's been about a 60/40 workload split which seems to be working out well as they both get enough work to stay sharp but not overworked either. It's almost a 1A/1A (1B/1B?) goalie tandem at the moment. Is Gibson overpayed for what he's brought the past few years, sure. However, taken as a whole their goalie tandem payroll hit is quite reasonable (Dostal needs a new contract this offseason(?) & he will be getting paid decently). The Ducks are way under the salary cap & Gibson's contract actually helps a lot to reach the floor...

So, to get him you'll need to convince PV that it's a good idea to break up one of the better goalie duos in the league at the moment. A duo that keeps the team in more games than they otherwise should be competitive in.

With the cap going up considerably, it's not completely out of the realm of possibility to lock down Dostal with a solid contract 'and' keep Gibson for the remainder of his. The team is also on the brink of being seriously competitive again (depending on what PV can do in the offseason to fix some holes). Putting a solid team in front of two solid goalies is hardly a bad thing to look forward to.

Gibson has never publicly demanded a trade & PV has stated that it would take a big overpayment to even consider it (assuming he'd waive his NMC...)

Goalies tend to not return a whole lot to begin with. Right now there is zero reason to trade him just to get a midround pick or two/a player that is barely hanging in the league, someone that won't make a difference within a year or so. A contract will have to come back to keep them above the cap floor...and you won't be dumping a lousy contract/player without increasing the value elsewhere.

Without a serious overpayment (for what goalies typically get), I can't see the Ducks having any interest in moving him now/at least through next year. What that will be I don't know, but you won't be happy having to pay it...

 

[SherVaughn30]

2nd + goalie with salary left on contract(to backup Dostal) + low to mid prospect

A good deal of teams pretty much have their #1 goalie already, so the trade return might be lower than expected. Avs had considered Gibson, but chose to go after a younger goalie in Blackwood instead.

Just a guess, if Oilers want to get better goaltending since they are going for the Cup, maybe you trade Skinner + a 1st(because the teams are in the same division) + forward prospect or forward player from the roster?

 

[Crazy8oooo]

2nd + goalie with salary left on contract(to backup Dostal) + low to mid prospect

A good deal of teams pretty much have their #1 goalie already, so the trade return might be lower than expected. Avs had considered Gibson, but chose to go after a younger goalie in Blackwood instead.

Just a guess, if Oilers want to get better goaltending since they are going for the Cup, maybe you trade Skinner + a 1st(because the teams are in the same division) + forward prospect or forward player from the roster?

Personally, I think holding on to Gibson at this point is the way to go for Anaheim. He’s more valuable to them than what the return will likely be. However, in your Oilers proposal, receiving back Skinner and a 1st is probably better than they can expect and would be a yes from me without anything else added. In division really doesn’t matter since they’re not competing during the duration of his contract so it shouldn’t come back to bite them.

 

[Gliff]

2nd + goalie with salary left on contract(to backup Dostal) + low to mid prospect

A good deal of teams pretty much have their #1 goalie already, so the trade return might be lower than expected. Avs had considered Gibson, but chose to go after a younger goalie in Blackwood instead.

Just a guess, if Oilers want to get better goaltending since they are going for the Cup, maybe you trade Skinner + a 1st(because the teams are in the same division) + forward prospect or forward player from the roster?

Ya there are not many teams that need a goalie, and can afford him. Because of that, the Ducks are better off just keeping him. Spending 10 mil+ on 2 goalies wont hurt the Ducks with the cap space they have.

They definitely have no reason to give him away for free and make themselves worse in the process.

 

[bucks_oil]

2nd + goalie with salary left on contract(to backup Dostal) + low to mid prospect

A good deal of teams pretty much have their #1 goalie already, so the trade return might be lower than expected. Avs had considered Gibson, but chose to go after a younger goalie in Blackwood instead.

Just a guess, if Oilers want to get better goaltending since they are going for the Cup, maybe you trade Skinner + a 1st(because the teams are in the same division) + forward prospect or forward player from the roster?

That was quite the escalation:

Oilers pay: 1st, Young 1B Starter (RFA status), forward prospect

Everyone else pays: 2nd, goalie cap dump

Skinner might not be a 1A starter, but he would still have value around the league.

Oilers would be bringing in Gibson to push Skinner for the starter role and as a huge insurance policy, not to replace him.

I'd offer: 1st, 2nd, Pickard, B-level prospect (not Savoie, Akey, Rodrigue, or O'Reilly) for Gibson @50%

 

[VeteranPresence]

Skinner, 2nd, plus a prospect other than Savoie/O'Reilly/Berezkin for Gibson retained is the highest I'd want my Oilers to go, and I don't think anyone is really all that inclined to beat them.

 

[lwvs84]

For the Ducks, the offense sucks, the defense is horrible, the coaching is one of the worst in the NHL... one of the few bright spots is the goaltending. Gibson is top 10 in the league in save % and Dostal is bouncing around near top 15. IF the Ducks get a half way decent coach and can improve the offense and defense to close to NHL average, they can fight for a playoff spot next year. Goaltending will have to be a do a lot of the heavy lifting again unless someone massively improves from this year. Unless the offer is a can't refuse thing, Ducks can just hold off until 2 years from now and deal him at the deadline before he's a UFA. A 2nd round pick and middling prospects aren't going to do much for Anaheim, there are probably a dozen prospects/young guys around the same level or better in Anaheim's system. Ducks just don't have a goalie that'll be ready to backup Dostal any time soon, especially one at the level that Gibson is playing at right now.

The two assumptions on this are that a team doesn't offer a deal Verbeek just can't refuse and Gibson hasn't internally demanded a trade.

 

[SherVaughn30]

For the Ducks, the offense sucks, the defense is horrible, the coaching is one of the worst in the NHL... one of the few bright spots is the goaltending. Gibson is top 10 in the league in save % and Dostal is bouncing around near top 15. IF the Ducks get a half way decent coach and can improve the offense and defense to close to NHL average, they can fight for a playoff spot next year. Goaltending will have to be a do a lot of the heavy lifting again unless someone massively improves from this year. Unless the offer is a can't refuse thing, Ducks can just hold off until 2 years from now and deal him at the deadline before he's a UFA. A 2nd round pick and middling prospects aren't going to do much for Anaheim, there are probably a dozen prospects/young guys around the same level or better in Anaheim's system. Ducks just don't have a goalie that'll be ready to backup Dostal any time soon, especially one at the level that Gibson is playing at right now.

The two assumptions on this are that a team doesn't offer a deal Verbeek just can't refuse and Gibson hasn't internally demanded a trade.

Ducks wait another 2 years and Gibson's trade value diminishes a lot. Plus teams will just wait for him to hit free agency by then. Ducks are not anywhere close to competing for a playoff wild card spot next season. The trade return now would help the Ducks in rebuilding their team. Gibson is still a workhorse #1 goalie that is better than a good deal of other #1 goalies on other teams. Verbeek is part of the problem, as he keeps asking for too much in return when teams inquire about Gibson. From all indications, Gibson has not shown he has the desire to play for a playoff team and try to win a Cup.

 

[lwvs84]

Ducks wait another 2 years and Gibson's trade value diminishes a lot. Plus teams will just wait for him to hit free agency by then. Ducks are not anywhere close to competing for a playoff wild card spot next season. The trade return now would help the Ducks in rebuilding their team. Gibson is still a workhorse #1 goalie that is better than a good deal of other #1 goalies on other teams. Verbeek is part of the problem, as he keeps asking for too much in return when teams inquire about Gibson. From all indications, Gibson has not shown he has the desire to play for a playoff team and try to win a Cup.

Depends on the return... a late 2nd and a mediocre prospect isn't going to help. A 1st round pick might help (though it's a weak draft). What are the Ducks reasonably going to get that will help with the rebuild? Ducks have plenty of young depth guys either in the NHL or in the system. What they're lacking is elite, game breaking talent and a Gibson trade isn't going to get that. If the offers are a late 2nd and 2nd or 3rd tier prospects, how much worse will it get as his contract gets shorter? Teams will still deal for him as a rental, it's not like playoff teams lacking goaltending will wait until free agency and hope he signs. If the Ducks can land a big time FA (unlikely) to a high $$$ deal, then it would make sense to deal Gibson for a 2nd/3rd and a cap dump #2 goalie with shorter term, but right now it makes more sense to keep him.

If Ducks get a better coach next year that will actually make lineup changes that maximize players and implement a system that can play offense and/or defense (even NHL average levels) then Ducks compete for a playoff spot. They're 9 points out, if they could have won that game against Calgary, they would only be 5 points out right now. That's not that far away. And there's no point in tanking for high picks, the Ducks don't have any lottery luck (well, no good luck... only bad).