Friedman: Gibson is interested in Carolina or Edmonton

[Gliff]

And a low low fee of a 1st + prospect

And we come back to the start. Where is the upside for the Ducks?
The Ducks trade their #1 goalie when they are trying to get better, and retain salary, and take a cap dump.

For a low 1st and a meh prospect.

Pass.

I'm not saying Edmonton should pay more. I'm saying the Ducks should not be trading guys helping them win, that still have term, for futures. They need to get better now.

 

[Rec T]

And we come back to the start. Where is the upside for the Ducks?
The Ducks trade their #1 goalie when they are trying to get better, and retain salary, and take a cap dump.

For a low 1st and a meh prospect.

Pass.

I'm not saying Edmonton should pay more. I'm saying the Ducks should not be trading guys helping them win, that still have term, for futures. They need to get better now.

They could have meant (probably not) that the fee for taking 2+ years of retention would be a late 1st & a meh prospect, that would probably be fair/a bit much. Then we can start talking about what they're going to give for Gibson himself. Because if that's all that they're offering for the whole package then PV will chuckle, wish them well in the playoffs, & hang up the phone.

/I'll be glad when the deadline arrives & this nonsense can stop for a few months anyway

 

[gilfaizon]

I would say Gibson has waited long enough that he can at least wait until the offseason, see the direction the team is going, and decide if he wants to be a part of it or not.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

And we come back to the start. Where is the upside for the Ducks?
The Ducks trade their #1 goalie when they are trying to get better, and retain salary, and take a cap dump.

For a low 1st and a meh prospect.

Pass.

I'm not saying Edmonton should pay more. I'm saying the Ducks should not be trading guys helping them win, that still have term, for futures. They need to get better now.

I think a lot depends on gibson, if he wants out then any assets are good…. You can also flip 1st and prospects to get pieces that actually help us win.

We’re not in a rush to move him….. but I do imagine PV and Gibson have talked about going separate ways.


We’re still prob 2-3 years away from being a real contender…. Gibson doesn’t have years to waste.

 

[LTIR]

I would say Gibson has waited long enough that he can at least wait until the offseason, see the direction the team is going, and decide if he wants to be a part of it or not.

I am pretty sure Gibson already knows where the team will be in the next couple years and how Dostal is the future there even if they become a contender.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I would say Gibson has waited long enough that he can at least wait until the offseason, see the direction the team is going, and decide if he wants to be a part of it or not.

Yeah, if the Ducks haven't traded him through the rumoured trade requests over the past couple of years, they aren't going to rush to do it now, that's for sure. Verbeek has made it clear. If anyone wants Gibson, they will have to pay his price. That's why I don't think Edmonton is truly a fit. Our local media clowns keep suggesting that our management is happy with Skinner and Pickard anyway, which is dumb to me, but if true, then Edmonton is looking to improve the team in other ways. Could be a negotiating tactic so other GM's don't think we are that desperate for a goalie though.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Yeah, if the Ducks haven't traded him through the rumoured trade requests over the past couple of years, they aren't going to rush to do it now, that's for sure. Verbeek has made it clear. If anyone wants Gibson, they will have to pay his price. That's why I don't think Edmonton is truly a fit. Our local media clowns keep suggesting that our management is happy with Skinner and Pickard anyway, which is dumb to me, but if true, then Edmonton is looking to improve the team in other ways. Could be a negotiating tactic so other GM's don't think we are that desperate for a goalie though.

Said it before I think gibson fit in Edmonton is a really good one.

And I think there is a reasonable range to get the trade across the line.

personally I don’t mind picks and prospects, as long as we’re looking to flip those pieces(or our own) to find help now(at draft)

 

[Gliff]

I think a lot depends on gibson, if he wants out then any assets are good…. You can also flip 1st and prospects to get pieces that actually help us win.

We’re not in a rush to move him….. but I do imagine PV and Gibson have talked about going separate ways.


We’re still prob 2-3 years away from being a real contender…. Gibson doesn’t have years to waste.

I think we just disagree on this.

Obviously you want to get a trade to make the player happy, but they have no obligation to make a terrible trade just to make him happy. He is under contract for 2 more years and a 10 teamNTC.

Retaining on him, and taking back a dump just to facilitate a trade where the best asset returning is a late 1st.... That makes no sense.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I think we just disagree on this.

Obviously you want to get a trade to make the player happy, but they have no obligation to make a terrible trade just to make him happy. He is under contract for 2 more years and a 10 teamNTC.

Retaining on him, and taking back a dump just to facilitate a trade where the best asset returning is a late 1st.... That makes no sense.

Well maybe not any asset but the assets that have been talked about by oilers fans, sure. They’ve also talked about prospects like savoie, o rielly, akey

The dump is also kinda negated a bit by the fact that we’d need a goalie anyway.

I just think it’s weird that people on ducks boards fear people don’t want to sign in our org so to player relationships, but also okay kinda holding Gibson hostage at this point

 

[Gliff]

Well maybe not any asset but the assets that have been talked about by oilers fans, sure. They’ve also talked about prospects like savoie, o rielly, akey

The dump is also kinda negated a bit by the fact that we’d need a goalie anyway.

I just think it’s weird that people on ducks boards fear people don’t want to sign in our org so to player relationships, but also okay kinda holding Gibson hostage at this point

Holding him hostage? C'mon man.

The guy is paid 6 and a half million a year to play hockey. He signed the 8 year deal. Noone put a gun to his head.

I think being a good team would make a lot more difference in players wanting to sign here then granting a trade request.

 

[Mr Positive]

Holding him hostage? C'mon man.

The guy is paid 6 and a half million a year to play hockey. He signed the 8 year deal. Noone put a gun to his head.

I think being a good team would make a lot more difference in players wanting to sign here then granting a trade request.

But if a player says there are teams he'd like to play for, and the team is even exploring options, it is like he'd really rather be elsewhere.

I don't think teams now have the attitude that a deal's a deal, and they are making good money so they have to put up with it. At the very least, if you have that attitude then it's because you are a playoff team who needs their players.

With Gibson, he's can't see playoffs in his future. He loves the Ducks, but they have a promising young goalie who could take the reins. Even if him leaving hurts the Ducks, he understands that they would benefit from the trade return, and that their draft pick would be upgraded if they got worse.

It just seems like a good thing to make this trade happen. It would seem wrong, especially if the return is underwhelming, but look at Grier in SJ. He was bashed for those trades but it is looking like the best thing to set that team up for the future. Get rid of veterans who will age out by the time the team is good. Get more assets and draft capital in the mean time. If you don't want a rebuild as harsh as the Ducks, trade off whatever picks and prospects you want. You could get some amazing win-now players if you have the assets.

 

[cheesymc]

Gibson's pay and term is a nothing burger when a backup goalie like Lankinen who's never started more than 40 games in a season gets a 5 year 4.5 million dollar contract. This contract reminds me of Jack Campbell and Tristan Jarry, but those two have shown a lot more success.

Gibson with any retention on a short 2.5-year deal should be very attractive especially with how he has been playing this season.

• 2x All Star Markstrom @4.1 million got a 1st and Bahl
• 1x All Star / Vezina Ullmark @5 million got a 1st and Korpisalo

I know Gibson's reputation has been trashed from recent years performances on of the worst teams in the league with the softest blueline, but he is just as young or younger than the guys listed above, and he has shown to be a high-end goalie as a 3x All Star. I don't think injuries are an issue... I mean anyone beat down by being on a terrible team would take as much 'sick leave' as possible.

The minimum return should be a 1st with minimal retention, and more than that if the Ducks retained even more. If Gibby was a UFA this off season, he would get at least a 4 year deal @ 5.5-6+ million.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Holding him hostage? C'mon man.

The guy is paid 6 and a half million a year to play hockey. He signed the 8 year deal. Noone put a gun to his head.

I think being a good team would make a lot more difference in players wanting to sign here then granting a trade request.

Maybe? But it’s also been pretty well documented he wants to be the guy…. And dostal is prob the guy going forward.

I don’t see him wanting to stay in Anaheim, my guess is PV told him play well and allow us to get some value off you and we’ll work to move you.

We went from him being a cap dump… to being able to ask for a 1st/ solid prospects for him.

 

[Rec T]

Maybe? But it’s also been pretty well documented he wants to be the guy…. And dostal is prob the guy going forward.

I don’t see him wanting to stay in Anaheim, my guess is PV told him play well and allow us to get some value off you and we’ll work to move you.

We went from him being a cap dump… to being able to ask for a 1st/ solid prospects for him.

Well, as of now he's still 'the guy'/getting more starts than Dostal (& to be fair it seems like a 60/40 1a/1b split so he's not capital letters 'the' guy). And I'm sure it's more than obvious that Dostal will be the future moving into the much more fun years that should be arriving soon. But that's not to say that the team couldn't keep this platooning into/through next year & have it work out well.

However, especially with today's Lankinen's contract, with retention he's worth a lot more than a (probable) very late first in a weak draft and a decent prospect & today's contract probably solidified that even further in PV's mind (I'd hope anyway). At this point it'd be silly to trade him, especially if he'd probably return more or less the same next year at this time (or potentially even more if he keeps his play up to what he's been at recently).

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Well, as of now he's still 'the guy'/getting more starts than Dostal (& to be fair it seems like a 60/40 1a/1b split so he's not capital letters 'the' guy). And I'm sure it's more than obvious that Dostal will be the future moving into the much more fun years that should be arriving soon. But that's not to say that the team couldn't keep this platooning into/through next year & have it work out well.

However, especially with today's Lankinen's contract, with retention he's worth a lot more than a (probable) very late first in a weak draft and a decent prospect & today's contract probably solidified that even further in PV's mind (I'd hope anyway). At this point it'd be silly to trade him, especially if he'd probably return more or less the same next year at this time (or potentially even more if he keeps his play up to what he's been at recently).

All this assuming he doesn’t want out… which it seems like he does…. I’d almost feel we’d owe it to him, after ruining his prime years

 

[Rec T]

All this assuming he doesn’t want out… which it seems like he does…. I’d almost feel we’d owe it to him, after ruining his prime years

I'm fairly certain that he does too*, & yeah the team owes him.

But I remember saying something in one of the many 'Gibson for a bag of practice pucks & a few used jockstrap' threads a year or two ago about what could have been a likely conversation with him & PV. Something along the lines of "John, the team sucks & I'm sorry that we're putting you through this. Unfortunately right now you don't have much trade value & we can't just give you away. I understand your wanting out to a better, more competitive team & eventually we can probably make it happen. For now though, you are a highly paid professional, getting paid more in one year than most people earn in a lifetime, & under contract for a few more years. We expect you to play like it. Get your play back to the All Star levels that you were earlier & we should be able to make it happen if you still want out. Just realize that it may take a couple of years to get back there. In the meantime we expect you to play up to what you're being paid. Have a great summer..."

So it's been the couple of years, he's back, & maybe they're working on something. Nobody but them knows though. Will PV probably take a little less if there's a decent but not great offer from a team that he's willing to waive for...I'd hope so. But he's not going to give him away either.

*one thing that's been percolating in the back of my mind recently would be a scenario, with the cap going up crazily, would be to give Dostal the solid contract he's earned & 'also' keep Gibson beyond the current contract. John's smart enough to know that he can't be 'the guy' forever & will eventually be the experienced vet backup. So stay with the team & do it there. Keep sharing the workload fairly equally for the next couple of years and then taper off to the more usual goalie duo workload (with a decent but reduced contract). If/when the Ducks get their act together, they've got the pieces to be fairly dangerous. Maybe he would want to stay with the team & see where it goes rather than demanding a trade right as they're on the cusp of being really good.

 

[Rubi]

Stan Bowman should give Verbeek what he wants.
I mean how many swings at bat is he going to get? Bowman should be all in in the win now mode. It's been 35 years and counting.

 

[Frank Drebin]

And we come back to the start. Where is the upside for the Ducks?
The Ducks trade their #1 goalie when they are trying to get better, and retain salary, and take a cap dump.

For a low 1st and a meh prospect.

Pass.

I'm not saying Edmonton should pay more. I'm saying the Ducks should not be trading guys helping them win, that still have term, for futures. They need to get better now.

ducks trade gibson because Gibson wants out. Not as a strategic move to make the team better in the long term.