Friedman: Gibson is interested in Carolina, or Edmonton

[Rec T]

The Ducks have the most cap space in the league. In fact, they will likely ben under the floor if they got out of his contract.
Moving him just to get out of his contract would be the dumbest thing ever. Especially considering he is barely over the league average for goalie contracts, and they will have to retain/take back cap.

That they'd probably have to retain is one of the keys here. Any team that he'd be willing to waive to probably is up against the cap so retention would be needed. 50% retention would be $3.2 million/yr for two years. So the 'cost' of a backup for Dostal is already $3.2 before factoring whatever the new backup is going to make. Even league minimum pushes things to $4 million (and a league minimum goalie means that Dostal will be getting a LOT of the work - potentially burning him out like they did with Gibson for a few years). If they've got to spend a couple million for a goalie probably inferior to Gibson, they're better off just keeping him and have no worries about goaltending for a couple of years (again, this is assuming that he has not demanded a trade).

And all of that is before we even get into what kind of return will they get for him. Goalies generally don't return much for whatever reason. If all they're getting is a couple of mid round picks (and a 1st from a serious contender would be a very late 1st most likely) or a lower quality roster player (something the Ducks really have no need for), we're back to 'why bother trading him in the first place if all it will do is make the team worse'.

Hopefully PV sticks to his 'the cost will be high' guns otherwise the Ducks will likely badly lose any trade for Gibson.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Stuart Skinner + Victor Arvidsson + 2nd round pick for Gibson at full cap hit? What would the cost be for 50% retention and without Arvidsson included?

 

[Three On Zero]

Stuart Skinner + Victor Arvidsson + 2nd round pick for Gibson at full cap hit? What would the cost be for 50% retention and without Arvidsson included?

Anaheim has no need to move Gibson, why would they move him for a bunch of spare parts? He will likely fetch a 1st, not two cap dumps and a 2nd

 

[Lunatik]

Who did Friedman hear this from? Gibson? Anonymous source? Deep state actor? He doesn't say...

No insider ever says who their source is

 

[Czechboy]

If Gibson ever gets traded.. I'm really curious what the return is.

The arguments and offers I see are all over the place! And now Gibson's value is growing again.

 

[Three On Zero]

If Gibson ever gets traded.. I'm really curious what the return is.

The arguments and offers I see are all over the place! And now Gibson's value is growing again.

History for goalies shows a 1st + additional pick or prospect

 

[Ducks DVM]

Would he though? I think that depends on the amount of retention offered.

Almost every player discussed in a trade on HF requires "at least a 1st", according to the opinions of fans of that franchise, that is.

We, collectively, almost never get trades even remotely right.

The Ducks don’t NEED to trade Gibson. There’s no prospect beating the doors down yet, and they’re going to need his salary to get near the cap floor next year. Dostal hasn’t been able to handle a heavy workload without his play breaking down to this point. The goalies are also why the team is having any success this year. The Ducks aren’t trying to unload him, they are (like with literally 100% of NHL players) listening to offers that make the team significantly enough better to make trading him a worthwhile discussion.

Seravelli insisted 2 summers ago that Gibson was absolutely never playing another game in Anaheim. No Ducks fan is saying he won’t be traded, they are saying he won’t be traded for a lateral or backwards move, which is the majority of what is being offered.

 

[Three On Zero]

The Ducks don’t NEED to trade Gibson. There’s no prospect beating the doors down yet, and they’re going to need to need his salary to get near the cap floor next year. Dostal hasn’t been able to handle a heavy workload without his play breaking down to this point. The goalies are also why the team is having any success this year. The Ducks aren’t trying to unload him, they are (like with literally 100% of NHL players) listening to offers that make the team significantly enough better to make trading him a worthwhile discussion.

Seravelli insisted 2 summers ago that Gibson was absolutely never playing another game in Anaheim. No Ducks fan is saying he won’t be traded, they are saying he won’t be traded for a literal or backwards move, which is the majority of what is being offered.

And they aren’t giving him away cheap to a division rival when they will be looking to be a team on the uprise over the next couple seasons.

 

[Ducks DVM]

And they aren’t giving him away cheap to a division rival when they will be looking to be a team on the uprise over the next couple seasons.

Especially with the Cap taking such a big jump next year. It’s not like normal seasons lately where you don’t have space on the roster the following year. Teams want retention, they’re also paying for the right to load up the following season with that additional space. Anaheim isn’t running a charity.

 

[Three On Zero]

Especially with the Cap taking such a big jump next year. It’s not like normal seasons lately where you don’t have space on the roster the following year. Teams want retention, they’re also paying for the right to load up the following season with that additional space. Anaheim isn’t running a charity.

Gibson/Dostal is a solid tandem that can help instill a winning culture on a younger team, so why take a step backwards mid season? IF Gibson gets traded the most logical time would be in the offseason when teams are scrambling to fill positions and will pay a premium.

Also google isn’t that smart.

 

[TFHockey]

Gibson/Dostal is a solid tandem that can help instill a winning culture on a younger team, so why take a step backwards mid season? IF Gibson gets traded the most logical time would be in the offseason when teams are scrambling to fill positions and will pay a premium.

Also google isn’t that smart.
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The Ducks aren't going anywhere this season. What do you mean a step back? They're going to miss the Playoffs again. All they've done is go from a bad team to a mediocre one.

Gibson isn't worth an overpay from anyone. The ducks should get something for him while they can.

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

Ah, that's right. Thanks


I can certainly see him wanting a chance at The Cup. And after all the crap/horrid years he went through with the Ducks, 'if' he does want to go they should make it happen ... if (kind of like Burke & Bryz).

But I agree, at this point, there's very little upside to trading him from the Ducks POV & certainly not for the return people here on HF seem to think they'll trade him for (a mid round pick or two)

The team is on the verge of getting good (at least with a better coach), why break up one of the best goalie duos in the league (again, presuming Gibson isn't demanding a trade)? Dostal's going to need (& has earned) a good contract. But even with paying him well, adding in Gibson's remaining years isn't prohibitively expensive, especially with the cap going up. Keep them together & see where things go with the various young players figuring things out.

Unless he wants a trade I dont get it for the ducks.
Young teams trying to take the next step absolutely need a rock in net.
A few moves this summer and continued growth they could be taking that step as soon as next year.

 

[Three On Zero]

The Ducks aren't going anywhere this season. What do you mean a step back? They're going to miss the Playoffs again. All they've done is go from a bad team to a mediocre one.

Gibson isn't worth an overpay from anyone. The ducks should get something for him while they can.

You don’t need to make the playoffs to progress as a team and build a positive culture.

Gibsons also worth more than giving away for free when he’s a net positive for his current team.

 

[Mr Positive]

If he's concerned about not being "the guy" in Edmonton, that would go double in Carolina, where Andersen has good numbers and a NTC. If Gibson wants to be the guy in Edmonton, then outperform Skinner and Pickard. It really won't be difficult

I'd really love to add Gibson but the term on the deal gives me pause. Goalies are the most reliable player type to judge on stats alone but there is always uncertainty about how styles mesh, uncertainty that can only be removed by seeing how they do on the team

My preference for the Oilers is for an impending UFA for that reason

 

[Mr Positive]

If Gibson ever gets traded.. I'm really curious what the return is.

The arguments and offers I see are all over the place! And now Gibson's value is growing again.

His value is growing but he had zero or negative value before. Even now, there is negative value considering his cap hit and term. Cap space is too important to contenders. But, his stats this year give huge positive value.

There aren't that many teams looking for a goalie. The Oilers can be a bit picky when it comes to contract factors.

This Gibson trade can happen if Anaheim decides they want to do good by Gibson. Grier had this attitude for the Sharks. He wanted a clean slate for his team. He wanted to do good by his veterans. He wanted to upgrade his draft picks by tanking the team a bit. If Anaheim wants this too then they'd have to make similar trades, and that means retention and a bit of a break on the acquisition cost

 

[SensontheRush]

Edmonton lands this trade and they win the cup.

 

[canuckslover10]

Gibson has been good this year I would be willing to trade for him if I were Edmonton.

 

[antiqueslivers]

i think gibson would be a HUGE add for a team like edmonton. I"ve always thought Gibson was one the better goalies in the league especially if you consider consistency

 

[Ducks DVM]

The Ducks aren't going anywhere this season. What do you mean a step back? They're going to miss the Playoffs again. All they've done is go from a bad team to a mediocre one.

Gibson isn't worth an overpay from anyone. The ducks should get something for him while they can.

The Ducks had 59 points last year. They currently are at 55 with 28 games left. Downgrading the goaltending for no reason other than to make Gibson and another team happy is absolutely a step back.

 

[sd1976]

OMG is so 80s valley but whatever. It depends on what you mean by "in play". Most of the league could be considered "in play" at any given time. Gibson and Zegras have been the media rumor darlings for 2 years now and nothing has come of either. Invariably these rumors lead fans to assume that the player in question is going to be sold at fire sale prices. My point (OMG!!!!!!) was that Gibson - if he is traded - will be expensive to acquire. Why are you so offended with that concept??

You are now muted. Faced with proof, using your own words as indication, none of it is valid. You’ll battle to the death no matter what type of evidence is provided. And then you resort to condescending remarks to try and further your agenda.

Is there a reason you have this need to convince everyone you’re right? Even when proven otherwise?

i think gibson would be a HUGE add for a team like edmonton. I"ve always thought Gibson was one the better goalies in the league especially if you consider consistency

Consistently bottom third of the league for 4 years running now.

 

[Rec T]

His value is growing but he had zero or negative value before. Even now, there is negative value considering his cap hit and term. Cap space is too important to contenders. But, his stats this year give huge positive value.

There aren't that many teams looking for a goalie. The Oilers can be a bit picky when it comes to contract factors.

This Gibson trade can happen if Anaheim decides they want to do good by Gibson. Grier had this attitude for the Sharks. He wanted a clean slate for his team. He wanted to do good by his veterans. He wanted to upgrade his draft picks by tanking the team a bit. If Anaheim wants this too then they'd have to make similar trades, and that means retention and a bit of a break on the acquisition cost

Except (& I'm very sure that Gibson realizes this being there every day...) that the Ducks are coming 'out' of their rebuild & not going into it. Grier did a solid for a lot of vets, true. However the Ducks time to do the same thing was years ago, back when they were historically bad & not just today's 'bad but figuring it out fairly quickly'.

Does he want to win? Sure, you don't become a NHL player without above average competitiveness (unless your skill level is off the charts & you can just halfass it). However he very well might have made the decision to ride this train where it's hopefully going in the next few years. Point is other than Gibson & people close to him & PV & the Ducks' staff, nobody knows if he wants out or not because he isn't & really never has talked about it. Lots & lots of clickbait speculation from people who need eyeballs on their assorted articles, but nothing from the people actually involved. Sure various teams could use him...but one of those is the team that currently has him under contract.

And as has been pointed out multiple times in various threads, unless it's a 'we'd be morons to turn down this offer' kind of offer, the Ducks have zero need to trade him & lots of solid reasons to keep him.

 

[tomd]

You are now muted. Faced with proof, using your own words as indication, none of it is valid. You’ll battle to the death no matter what type of evidence is provided. And then you resort to condescending remarks to try and further your agenda.

Is there a reason you have this need to convince everyone you’re right? Even when proven otherwise?


Consistently bottom third of the league for 4 years running now.

Oh say it isn't so!!! The humanity!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Bryanbryoil]

The Ducks had 59 points last year. They currently are at 55 with 28 games left. Downgrading the goaltending for no reason other than to make Gibson and another team happy is absolutely a step back.

What do you think would be a fair ask from Edmonton with and without retention?

 

[MessierThanThou]

Just wanted to pass along this info I found floating around...

Stu and Gibson vs Top Teams:

Gibson vs Dallas .963 (Stu was .870 vs them)

Gibson vs Winnipeg .900 (Stu was .615)

Gibson vs Washington .880 (Stu had a .786)

Gibson's worst game was against Colorado with an .864 (last game Stu had a .750)

Gibson vs Florida .955 (Stu had a .786)

EDIT: I saw this posted elsewhere, might be good food for thought.

Gibson's worst performance this season was an .800 and he's only had four games under .870.

On the other hand, Skinner has had 13 games under .870 and five games under .800!

So based on the above, Stu has underperformed in at least 35% of his games, and only 17% for Gibson.