Post-Game Talk: GIANT KILLERS: Jets 3 Blues 1

[GNP]

At this point I don't care if we play Dallas/Colorado in the first round or second round. Just rest key players like Florida is doing. If the jets play like that it won't matter who they face. This team is good, it should be other teams worried about matching up with us.

I wish I could be as confident as you, if you believe you have the best team, it shouldn’t matter.

Because the Jets have a shaky playoff record, I’d rather them play a weaker opponent and build up confidence to go into Round 2.

I’d much rather play the Blues, or Minnesota - our chances are better by quite a lot to win Round 1. In round 2, doesn’t matter as much.

 

[winnipegger]

That game last night was the most complete game I've seen from the jets this year. That I can remember anyway. It's so much better playing playoff teams at this time of year. Sharpen the swords for battle. Jets are the best in the West everyone should be scared.

 

[Jet]

Didn't see the game so happy to hear he played well.

Only comment regarding Stan I have is his skating still makes me nervous. He's fine going forward and adequate going backward. But the transition when someone goes around him makes me want to cry. If he doesn't play it perfectly and someone gets around him they are gone. I think there are teams he can play alright against in the playoffs, but Colorado won't be one of them.

I totally agree. He needs to anticipate better when a forward is going to drive him wide - and also be aware of exactly who is challenging him. I've seen him get turned too many times - but slower D can account for that with better timing.

 

[raideralex99]

I wish I could be as confident as you, if you believe you have the best team, it shouldn’t matter.

Because the Jets have a shaky playoff record, I’d rather them play a weaker opponent and build up confidence to go into Round 2.

I’d much rather play the Blues, or Minnesota - our chances are better by quite a lot to win Round 1. In round 2, doesn’t matter as much.

There are no easy first rounds ... the first rounds always has the most upsets.
Every good coach after losing to the Jets has comments like this .. the Jets are the measuring stick in the west.

 

[Gm0ney]

I wish I could be as confident as you, if you believe you have the best team, it shouldn’t matter.

Because the Jets have a shaky playoff record, I’d rather them play a weaker opponent and build up confidence to go into Round 2.

I’d much rather play the Blues, or Minnesota - our chances are better by quite a lot to win Round 1. In round 2, doesn’t matter as much.

Dallas has a ton of forward depth:

Robertson-Hintz-Rantanen = 93g, 134a, 227 points
Marchment-Duchene-Granlund = 70g, 117a, 187 points
Benn-Johnston-Bourque = 57g, 80a, 137 points
Dadonov-Steel-Blackwell = 30g, 47a, 77 points

CSV has 10 more goals than Robertson-Hintz-Rantanen, but Dallas' line 2 and 3 are legit scoring threats. Their 3rd line of Benn-Johnston-Bourque has more goals than the Jets' 2nd line of ENP. And Seguin is about to return...

These stats are all-strengths.

 

[raideralex99]

I totally agree. He needs to anticipate better when a forward is going to drive him wide - and also be aware of exactly who is challenging him. I've seen him get turned too many times - but slower D can account for that with better timing.

The problem with Stanley is not his speed its his hockey IQ.
Schenn is slow but knows what he can do and what he is not suppose to do.
Stanley made a couple of nice plays one of them he recovered nicely but there were a couple of plays that he should never even have tried but good team work saved his butt.
I don't want to pick on him he's trying but its his reads that the biggest problems.

 

[AnonoJet]

Those are going to be very problematic when she hits 60+ years old.

That’s what wheelbarrows are for.

 

[Moloch]

are the jets practicing today?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

ehlers didn't play
helle could have taken a nap
everyone

just gave them nothing all night they had 3 shots in the 1st and 2 in the 3rd until they pulled their goalie

Not sure how it looked on TV, but live it was domination by Jets. The long time b4 the first goal was a little hard to wait through. Then tied pretty quickly and another long wait to get the lead back.

An unlucky goal by Blues and 1 more save by Hofer and it goes the other way. I thought Hofer played very well to keep it close.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I think I am in love with Tanev. Now, how do I tell my wife...

You'll be surprised when you tell her and she says, me too!

 

[Hobble]

I don't believe in jubjubes.

If we can handle jobu, then we can handle juju!

Anyways, I’d rather grab the Presidents Trophy, because who knows when we’ll ever have such a good regular season again. It still be a reminder of a historic season regardless of how the playoffs go (at least the first time, then I don’t really care if we ever win it again).

Still a little miffed we didn’t win the SE division title

 

[Joe Hallenback]

Dallas has a ton of forward depth:

Robertson-Hintz-Rantanen = 93g, 134a, 227 points
Marchment-Duchene-Granlund = 70g, 117a, 187 points
Benn-Johnston-Bourque = 57g, 80a, 137 points
Dadonov-Steel-Blackwell = 30g, 47a, 77 points

CSV has 10 more goals than Robertson-Hintz-Rantanen, but Dallas' line 2 and 3 are legit scoring threats. Their 3rd line of Benn-Johnston-Bourque has more goals than the Jets' 2nd line of ENP. And Seguin is about to return...

These stats are all-strengths.

It strange

The Jets have 265 goals for and Dallas has 264 goals for. Are points by player that relevant in the conversation?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Jets are in the Driver Seat.

Yes, but have to keep winning. Thurs game huge.

Must win, the real test, etc, etc.

 

[raideralex99]

Dallas has a ton of forward depth:

Robertson-Hintz-Rantanen = 93g, 134a, 227 points
Marchment-Duchene-Granlund = 70g, 117a, 187 points
Benn-Johnston-Bourque = 57g, 80a, 137 points
Dadonov-Steel-Blackwell = 30g, 47a, 77 points

CSV has 10 more goals than Robertson-Hintz-Rantanen, but Dallas' line 2 and 3 are legit scoring threats. Their 3rd line of Benn-Johnston-Bourque has more goals than the Jets' 2nd line of ENP. And Seguin is about to return...

These stats are all-strengths.

So you are using Rantanen stats from the Avs/Canes and Granlund's stats from the Sharks what does that prove?

 

[jungles]

You'll be surprised when you tell and she says, me too!

Definitely her type. She has a Perreault jersey.

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

Winning never gets old.
Especially when you do it with class.

 

[Jet]

The problem with Stanley is not his speed its his hockey IQ.
Schenn is slow but knows what he can do and what he is not suppose to do.
Stanley made a couple of nice plays one of them he recovered nicely but there were a couple of plays that he should never even have tried but good team work saved his butt.
I don't want to pick on him he's trying but its his reads that the biggest problems.

Not picking on him, it's totally accurate.

I will say:

• He has gotten better at it
• Defensive play can be learned
• Schenn's presence could be big for it

However, the playoffs are very close, I don't think that Arnie will hesitate to keep Stan out of the lineup if he can't keep it sorted (as long as we're healthy)

 

[Gm0ney]

It strange

The Jets have 265 goals for and Dallas has 264 goals for. Are points by player that relevant in the conversation?

The team stats page on NHL.com has the Jets with 264 and Dallas with 262...lol who knows.

Anyway, I just think they've got 3 pretty good scoring lines, even without Seguin.

Robertson-Hintz-Rantanen has been very good with 73% GF and GF/60 of 3.79.
Marchment-Duchene-Granlund has been good as well with 57% GF and GF/60 of 3.37.
Benn-Johnston-Bourque has only played 50 minutes together and they're 50% GF and 3.57 GF/60.
I think Steel-Back-Blackwell was their 4th line, but Dadonov's down there right now. They were 41.2% GF and 2.37 GF/60.

Dallas seems to shuffle players around a lot more. The Jets lines have been relatively set in stone aside from moves made due to injury.

Anything over 3 goals/60 is pretty good.

 

[Jet]

I've noticed that rfk guy isn't around...oh ya, the Jets won...

BEETLEJUICE BEETLEJUICE BEETLEJUICE!!!!

 

[Royale With Cheese]

So if I'm understanding this, we need 6 points from winning (we have 4 games left) and/or Dallas losing (they have 5 games left) to clinch 1st in the division.

A win on Thursday would get us 4 of those 6 points.

 

[kanadalainen]

It strange

The Jets have 265 goals for and Dallas has 264 goals for. Are points by player that relevant in the conversation?

It occurred to me that some of those players are traded recently to Dallas. Ergo their points totals are airlifted from Colorado etc, and perhaps may not strictly reflect this years' performance with their current linemates.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

2 more wins in regulation and we good for first?

Or….

Do stars still have a chance

If one of those wins is Thurs, yes.
We would have 114 pts and they would get 113 if they won all others.

Also - if we win Thurs and they lose any 1 other.

Or - if we win any 2 and they lose any 1 - 114 to 113.

Just keep winning and we can't be caught, for Div, Conf & league.

 

[raideralex99]

So if I'm understanding this, we need 6 points from winning (we have 4 games left) and/or Dallas losing (they have 5 games left) to clinch 1st in the division.

A win on Thursday would get us 4 of those 6 points.

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I would not worry about it … the Stars play the Canucks tonight with Hughes and Demko in the lineup. Star won’t be this lucky like the last game they played the Canucks without those 2 players. Some how the Stars won 4-1.
Stars lose tonight their odds are 3.6% of winning the central.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

The St. Louis crew mentioned this.

I've already eaten my crow but, boy was I wrong on that one. In my defence, I simply thought both were past it. They are getting on.

 

[Buffdog]

The team stats page on NHL.com has the Jets with 264 and Dallas with 262...lol who knows.

Anyway, I just think they've got 3 pretty good scoring lines, even without Seguin.

Robertson-Hintz-Rantanen has been very good with 73% GF and GF/60 of 3.79.
Marchment-Duchene-Granlund has been good as well with 57% GF and GF/60 of 3.37.
Benn-Johnston-Bourque has only played 50 minutes together and they're 50% GF and 3.57 GF/60.
I think Steel-Back-Blackwell was their 4th line, but Dadonov's down there right now. They were 41.2% GF and 2.37 GF/60.

Dallas seems to shuffle players around a lot more. The Jets lines have been relatively set in stone aside from moves made due to injury.

Anything over 3 goals/60 is pretty good.

Curious as to why you're referring to GF% after all the times that you've told me specifically that xGF% is a better indication of play because goals are so rare and can be random

Robertson Hintz Rantanan is only 50 xGF%. Marchant Duchene Granlund is 37.6 xGF%

Is there a particular reason you used GF% in this case (legit curious, not trying to be a dick)?