Get rid of the NMC

[norrisnick]

There should be no NMCs, no NTCs, no guaranteed contracts and you should only get UFA status when you hit 30 years old.

On the contrary, there shouldn't be anything other than UFA status. If you don't have a valid contract, you shouldn't have control over a player.

 

[Snarky Coyote]

What are you willing to give up to get this? Players don't negotiate contracts and succumb to the pressure from a random user on the internet just because. Even limiting the number of slots is going to cost cap, escrow, or years of free agency.

 

[JetsFan815]

Not only that, get rid of any kind of trade protection, get rid of NTC, NMC etc. Also limit max contract length to 5 years. Lock the players out if you need to, to get this done. In exchange the players get some perks, the ELC is reduced to 2 seasons and players get arbitration rights earlier in their career right after the 2 year ELC expires.

Telling players to ditch the NMC is like telling owners to drop the salary cap. Once secured, they will never give up their prize in CBA negotiations.

GMs can certainly decline to offer them to secondary support players, as they do today, but NMCs are a fact of life for the stars.

GMs have tools at their disposal to encourage the change- namely locking out the players until they get what they want.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Not only that, get rid of any kind of trade protection, get rid of NTC, NMC etc. Also limit max contract length to 5 years. Lock the players out if you need to, to get this done. In exchange the players get some perks, the ELC is reduced to 2 seasons and players get arbitration rights earlier in their career right after the 2 year ELC expires.



GMs have tools at their disposal to encourage the change- namely locking out the players until they get what they want.

Sure if you enjoy lost seasons more than you enjoy watching hockey.

God forbid the elite talent of the NHL have any control over their lives.

 

[JetsFan815]

Sure if you enjoy lost seasons more than you enjoy watching hockey.

God forbid the elite talent of the NHL have any control over their lives.

I don't give a damn about that. These guys make more in their 10-12 year career than most people here will make in their entire life, they can handle having to move to a top 1% neighborhood in Raleigh from a top 1% neighborhood in Manhattan once in a while. A locked out season is a small price to pay for a more vibrant league with more movement, trades and activity.

 

[Treb]

I don't give a damn about that. These guys make more in their 10-12 year career than most people here will make in their entire life, they can handle having to move to a top 1% neighborhood in Raleigh from a top 1% neighborhood in Manhattan once in a while. A locked out season is a small price to pay for a more vibrant league with more movement, trades and activity.

I love how you don't consider hockey players as humans, only as entertainment pieces.

 

[ItWasJustified]

Makes free agency and the trade deadline boring as hell. Seems like every team has a couple scrubs with NMCs.

Players have earned it

The amount of NHL players with some kind of trade protection: 235

The amount of NBA players with some kind of trade protection: 11

 

[Sniper99]

Not only that, get rid of any kind of trade protection, get rid of NTC, NMC etc. Also limit max contract length to 5 years. Lock the players out if you need to, to get this done. In exchange the players get some perks, the ELC is reduced to 2 seasons and players get arbitration rights earlier in their career right after the 2 year ELC expires.



GMs have tools at their disposal to encourage the change- namely locking out the players until they get what they want.

U must really like televised poker and Survivor during the last big lockout. A lot of us sure as hell wouldnt go your route thats for sure.

 

[DamonDRW]

I love how you don't consider hockey players as humans, only as entertainment pieces.

They are well compensated to do that. With the money earned even on the entry level contract they afford to get any education they want and stop playing hockey.

95% of fans here cannot do the same.

 

[norrisnick]

I don't give a damn about that. These guys make more in their 10-12 year career than most people here will make in their entire life, they can handle having to move to a top 1% neighborhood in Raleigh from a top 1% neighborhood in Manhattan once in a while. A locked out season is a small price to pay for a more vibrant league with more movement, trades and activity.

And the owners make 10+ times what the players make. Let's give that group everything they want and f*** the little guys.

 

[Seras]

The owners would have to compensate them to do so and I doubt the owners care about NMC's to that extent

 

[LudwigVonKarlsson]

Get rid of GMs that hand them out like candy. Players are only going to get more leverage moving forward, better get used to it

not possible since the NHL recycles GMs constantly.

 

[Treb]

They are well compensated to do that. With the money earned even on the entry level contract they afford to get any education they want and stop playing hockey.

95% of fans here cannot do the same.

I don't see why this matter.

Hockey players are humans and deserve the right to negotiate their working conditions.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Players giving up stability in their lives with their family and kids just to make random people on websites not bored.... Great idea

 

[Strangle]

"Make players rights worse so I can have more fun watching trades"



Maybe GMs should stop being stupid if they don't want to keep getting "taken to school" by agents.

Sure, but that would take GM’s not being a collective bunch of idiots

As soon as one GM stands firm, there are a dozen idiots standing in line to f*** everything up

 

[Strangle]

I don't see why this matter.

Hockey players are humans and deserve the right to negotiate their working conditions.

This is such a weak argument

The league has the right to run its business. Part of that business is having teams in different cities. Player movement amongst these cities is not against “human rights” nor does it create negative “working conditions”

What are you even talking about?

 

[Treb]

This is such a weak argument

The league has the right to run its business. Part of that business is having teams in different cities. Player movement amongst these cities is not against “human rights” nor does it create negative “working conditions”

What are you even talking about?

You are wrong, as indicated by the players including ntc/nmc in their CBA negotiations. It is clearly important to them.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

I don't give a damn about that. These guys make more in their 10-12 year career than most people here will make in their entire life, they can handle having to move to a top 1% neighborhood in Raleigh from a top 1% neighborhood in Manhattan once in a while. A locked out season is a small price to pay for a more vibrant league with more movement, trades and activity.

Right. Because they make a lot of money they shouldn't have human needs or emotions. You know the owners make even more money, right?

I understand that they make obscene money compared to teachers, firefighters, most of us working stiffs, but they are not holding anyone at gunpoint. They are an elite labor pool that generates billions of dollars of revenue for the NHL. Their income is already artificially restricted so they're not even being paid market value. Yet you think they should be cool with having zero control over their lives too?

 

[KingsFan7824]

"Make players rights worse so I can have more fun watching trades"

Yes? From the player perspective, they should do what they need to do, with no regard for fans, or owners, or anyone but themselves, that's completely rational, but are you implying you actually care about NHL players? That would be like caring about the owners.

Maybe GMs should stop being stupid if they don't want to keep getting "taken to school" by agents.

But to not be stupid as a GM would be considered to be collusion by the PA. If you're not stupid, ok, there's 31 other potential idiots. If every GM gets smart, that'll be a problem.

 

[joestevens29]

The amount of NHL players with some kind of trade protection: 235

The amount of NBA players with some kind of trade protection: 11

You're comparing kiwis to bananas here. NBA players control whatever the hell they want clause or no clause.

 

[TGWL]

"Make players rights worse so I can have more fun watching trades"



Maybe GMs should stop being stupid if they don't want to keep getting "taken to school" by agents.

People keep saying this but you lose the player, and then you lose your job. On the other side of that, you might even expect to lose your job before that contract is even up. It's very unlikely that you will see the GM's get together and not give in with a demanding NMC/term/big cap hit. Somebody will have to make their team better. There would be such a blowup if big time players remained unsigned because the GM's are not budging.

 

[Strangle]

You are wrong, as indicated by the players including ntc/nmc in their CBA negotiations. It is clearly important to them.

Being important to them is a meaningless statement and not the argument being made.

Making $100m is also important to them, I’m sure. Doesn’t mean it’s at all reasonable.

If this is such an important thing, why don’t all players just have NMC in their contracts from their ELC’s right through to retirement? The union could negotiate that into the CBA and refuse to play until it’s signed.

What a wonderful league we would have then! But I’m sure the players would be really happy making less money as the NHL dies due to teams inability to improve themselves

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Location: Canada

 

[Treb]

Being important to them is a meaningless statement and not the argument being made.

Making $100m is also important to them, I’m sure. Doesn’t mean it’s at all reasonable.

If this is such an important thing, why don’t all players just have NMC in their contracts from their ELC’s right through to retirement? The union could negotiate that into the CBA and refuse to play until it’s signed.

What a wonderful league we would have then! But I’m sure the players would be really happy making less money as the NHL dies due to teams inability to improve themselves

How is it meaningless when you're trying to argue that having no control where you are traded to and when is not a negative working condition?

They don't all have it because there's a balance between what players want and what the owners want to give.

Anyway, it's a pretty useless topic because the NHLPA will not accept the removal of NTC/NMC.

 

[Melrose Munch]

There should be no NMCs, no NTCs, no guaranteed contracts and you should only get UFA status when you hit 30 years old.

These were the rules (most of them) until 2004. Players won't go back to this.