Get Draisaitl and McDavid some help

[daver]

Highlight is talking about if Drai can center his own line. Ever thought about which wingers he would have on a solid build roster "carrying his own" line? I guess it would not be guys like Foegele, McLeod, Holloway and so on.

His most common "not with McDavid" linemates in the 2022 playoffs were Hyman and Yamamoto. Last year it was Hyman, Yamamoto and RNH. This year it's Kane, RNH, and Foegele.

It seems clear that he cannot carry a line like Malkin was able to. In 08 and 09, Malkin had 30 ES points, three of which were shared with Crosby. He had six with Ryan Malone, six with Petr Sykora, and six with Ruslan Fedentenko; all players that I am sure would rate, at best, on par with some of Draisaitl's linemates.

Since 2021, Draisaitl has 45 ES points, 24 of which were shared with McDavid.

 

[Dirty Dan]

His most common "not with McDavid" linemates in the 2022 playoffs were Hyman and Yamamoto. Last year it was Hyman, Yamamoto and RNH. This year it's Kane, RNH, and Foegele.

It seems clear that he cannot carry a line like Malkin was able to. In 08 and 09, Malkin had 30 ES points, three of which were shared with Crosby. He had six with Ryan Malone, six with Petr Sykora, and six with Ruslan Fedentenko; all players that I am sure would rate, at best, on par with some of Draisaitl's linemates.

Since 2021, Draisaitl has 45 ES points, 24 of which were shared with McDavid.

Malkin was a hart trophy winner , he was a machine. One play were Drai was 1on1 yesterday, Malkin would have been a lot more dangerous there

 

[Son of Petter]

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[JAK]

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[sbhnur]

His most common "not with McDavid" linemates in the 2022 playoffs were Hyman and Yamamoto. Last year it was Hyman, Yamamoto and RNH. This year it's Kane, RNH, and Foegele.

It seems clear that he cannot carry a line like Malkin was able to. In 08 and 09, Malkin had 30 ES points, three of which were shared with Crosby. He had six with Ryan Malone, six with Petr Sykora, and six with Ruslan Fedentenko; all players that I am sure would rate, at best, on par with some of Draisaitl's linemates.

Since 2021, Draisaitl has 45 ES points, 24 of which were shared with McDavid.

Pittsburgh was a massive better team in general talking about depth and defencemen. Why did you only pick malkin's '08 and '09 years? Stats doesnt work that way way for other years?

 

[daver]

Pittsburgh was a massive better team in general talking about depth and defencemen. Why did you only pick malkin's '08 and '09 years? Stats doesnt work that way way for other years?

Please expand on how the 2009 Pens were better than any version of the Oilers the last three years.

I'll start by stating that in both the regular season and the playoffs, Crosby and Malkin had over 100% more points then the next best Pen.

 

[sbhnur]

Please expand on how the 2009 Pens were better than any version of the Oilers the last three years.

I'll start by stating that in both the regular season and the playoffs, Crosby and Malkin had over 100% more points then the next best Pen.

Geno and Crosby had a phenomenal playoff run back then, I wont take anything away from that. but its not like this was every season. Next season Geno had 11 points in 13 games. Not that great I guess.

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

Hockey takes a team of 19 good players to win. You need a minimum of 3 excellent lines and 2 excellent D pairings with stellar goaltending to win in the playoffs. No Superstar alone can win you a series no matter how incredible they are, Gretzky had 0 Cups after Edmonton, but the Oilers won without 99 because of excellent high-end depth. The Penguins in their back to back Cups had Crosby on 1 line, Malkin on another line, and Kessel on another line, and their 3rd line was arguably their best line (Haglin-Bonino-Kessel producing big goals). You look at the past Cup winners it’s always someone from the bottom 6 that comes up big and plays unbelievable and that’s the difference in a close tight series. If you took out Pettersson, Hughes & Demko the Canucks would still be a very good team, if you took out McDavid & Draisaitl the Oilers would be a lottery team. Some of the recent Cup winners like the Golden Knights & Blues had no top 10 players on their squad but had a lot of very good high quality players. Oilers really need to round out their roster, maybe do the unthinkable and consider trading Draisaitl for several good young key pieces.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Hockey takes a team of 19 good players to win. You need a minimum of 3 excellent lines and 2 excellent D pairings with stellar goaltending to win in the playoffs. No Superstar alone can win you a series no matter how incredible they are, Gretzky had 0 Cups after Edmonton, but the Oilers won without 99 because of excellent high-end depth. The Penguins in their back to back Cups had Crosby on 1 line, Malkin on another line, and Kessel on another line, and their 3rd line was arguably their best line (Haglin-Bonino-Kessel producing big goals). You look at the past Cup winners it’s always someone from the bottom 6 that comes up big and plays unbelievable and that’s the difference in a close tight series. If you took out Pettersson, Hughes & Demko the Canucks would still be a very good team, if you took out McDavid & Draisaitl the Oilers would be a lottery team. Some of the recent Cup winners like the Golden Knights & Blues had no top 10 players on their squad but had a lot of very good high quality players. Oilers really need to round out their roster, maybe do the unthinkable and consider trading Draisaitl for several good young key pieces.

I mean, maybe the Oilers should do the bolded and not keep reverting back to McDavid and Draisaitl on the same line and suddenly they'd have depth?

The entire reason the Oilers seem to have no depth is because they stack the top line. If the 2016 Penguins put Crosby, Malkin and Kessel on the top line, do they still have this "amazing depth" with what's left over? Or is it the fact they each were on a separate line that the Pens were able to spread the depth around?

All these "championship teams" that people reference generally have depth because they spread around the talent. They don't put their three best players on one line and then wonder why the other 3 lines don't consistently produce.

 

[Fataldogg]

They need a goaltender. Skinner is a terrible starting goaltender. 3.49 and .881 in 20 career playoff games. If you win a round with numbers like that you're lucky. He is consistently their worst player in the playoffs. This year he is posting a 3.22 and .877. Somehow, in spite of his performance, Oilers are 2 wins away from Conference Finals.

Just get a quality goaltender and it solves many of their issues competing for a Cup.

 

[JAK]

They need a goaltender. Skinner is a terrible starting goaltender. 3.49 and .881 in 20 career playoff games. If you win a round with numbers like that you're lucky. He is consistently their worst player in the playoffs. This year he is posting a 3.22 and .877. Somehow, in spite of his performance, Oilers are 2 wins away from Conference Finals.

Just get a quality goaltender and it solves many of their issues competing for a Cup.

Oilers goalie graveyard : Maybe play some defense once a while and we won't look so bad.

 

[Fataldogg]

Oilers goalie graveyard : Maybe play some defense once a while and we won't look so bad.

All teams play bad defense. Rangers have 55 wins and are in ECF and they play their fair share of bad defense. Igor Shesterkin is able to bail them out consistently. Good goalies propel their team to new heights. Bad goalies will sink their team.

Look at Frederick Andersen. The whole time I was watching Game 6 of the Hurricanes and Rangers I kept saying "shoot the puck, he is uncomfortable in net." Rangers begin getting some shots, he let's up a deflating goal to Kreider to make it 3-2 and the team never recovered.

Hard to compete when you have no faith in your goalie and they continually let up deflating goals.

 

[PaulD]

Nah. Get some help for the leafs .....Oilers go farther every year.
They just need a goalie

 

[nbwingsfan]

But it's been that way there since McDavid got there. The winning goal was a perfect example....who was "covering" Miller?

McDavid has literally just come onto the ice and had to just his ass to even get to where he was. This wasn’t a “cherry picking” situation.

Care to explain how Draisaitl/McDavid we’re supposed to have helped Bouchard just giving them the puck on his turnover goal?

So many ridiculous takes, always from the same two fanbases.

 

[Video Nasty]

Any time your top two players are required to play 30 and 29 minutes in a non-overtime game only to lose (Game 3), it should clue people in that something is wrong and the same problems continue to exist, seemingly doomed to never be fixed. A duo like Crosby and Malkin didn’t have to play those kind of minutes because they had actual depth. It catches up and I don’t see how these either of these players can be blamed.

That being said, Pickard turned in the kind of performance we’d normally be begging for. Shame it came when McDavid and Draisaitl were clearly gassed.

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

I mean, maybe the Oilers should do the bolded and not keep reverting back to McDavid and Draisaitl on the same line and suddenly they'd have depth?

The entire reason the Oilers seem to have no depth is because they stack the top line. If the 2016 Penguins put Crosby, Malkin and Kessel on the top line, do they still have this "amazing depth" with what's left over? Or is it the fact they each were on a separate line that the Pens were able to spread the depth around?

All these "championship teams" that people reference generally have depth because they spread around the talent. They don't put their three best players on one line and then wonder why the other 3 lines don't consistently produce.

The thing with Crosby was that he was a generational grinder, you could throw any 2 grinders on his wing and they’d generate offence, Crosby played like a gritty 3rd line C but had legendary stick skills and hand/eye coordination. McDrai, like most high end superstars, like open ice, like to give and go, like to score off the rush, Drai needs to be fed for his one timer, all these plays require high skilled wingers. Crosby & Malkin could pull their own lines no matter who the wingers were, McDrai seem to not have that ability.

 

[Maria Sharapova]

All teams play bad defense. Rangers have 55 wins and are in ECF and they play their fair share of bad defense. Igor Shesterkin is able to bail them out consistently. Good goalies propel their team to new heights. Bad goalies will sink their team.

Look at Frederick Andersen. The whole time I was watching Game 6 of the Hurricanes and Rangers I kept saying "shoot the puck, he is uncomfortable in net." Rangers begin getting some shots, he let's up a deflating goal to Kreider to make it 3-2 and the team never recovered.

Hard to compete when you have no faith in your goalie and they continually let up deflating goals.

This is silly, As bad as skinner is nurse and Ceci are worse. The only d man any nhl team would take from oilers if they could would be ekholm. Maybe Bouchard if you want a pp specialist. This narrative you’re trying to spin of oilers d being on par with rangers or Carolina is a weak

 

[Cup or Bust]

Any time your top two players are required to play 30 and 29 minutes in a non-overtime game only to lose (Game 3), it should clue people in that something is wrong and the same problems continue to exist, seemingly doomed to never be fixed. A duo like Crosby and Malkin didn’t have to play those kind of minutes because they had actual depth. It catches up and I don’t see how these either of these players can be blamed.

That being said, Pickard turned in the kind of performance we’d normally be begging for. Shame it came when McDavid and Draisaitl were clearly gassed.

The only line that had energy last night was the 4th line, probably because they had been on the bench for 4 games. I think the Oilers will be better at home.

 

[Fataldogg]

This is silly, As bad as skinner is nurse and Ceci are worse. The only d man any nhl team would take from oilers if they could would be ekholm. Maybe Bouchard if you want a pp specialist. This narrative you’re trying to spin of oilers d being on par with rangers or Carolina is a weak

No, I'm saying you can only blame bad defense so many times. Starting goalies are expected to steal and win games for their team. Not consistently lose them. Skinner did it once this playoff against the Kings when he came up with a 1-0 win. That's it.

Pro goalies getting paid millions to start for a team are expected to occasionally stop high danger chances.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

No, I'm saying you can only blame bad defense so many times. Starting goalies are expected to steal and win games for their team. Not consistently lose them. Skinner did it once this playoff against the Kings when he came up with a 1-0 win. That's it.

Pro goalies getting paid millions to start for a team are expected to occasionally stop high danger chances.

I saw this stat after game 3.

Skinner had the 2nd best high danger Shor save %

He also had the 2nd worse save% for every other shot.

Just thought I'd share.

 

[Double Dion]

Oilers goalie graveyard : Maybe play some defense once a while and we won't look so bad.

Agreed. They have one guy who can defend top 6 competition well. They desperately needed to add Tanev or Hanifin. That, or play the entire game on the PP. The league is doing their best to help them with that.

 

[jackjohnson]

I mean, maybe the Oilers should do the bolded and not keep reverting back to McDavid and Draisaitl on the same line and suddenly they'd have depth?

The entire reason the Oilers seem to have no depth is because they stack the top line. If the 2016 Penguins put Crosby, Malkin and Kessel on the top line, do they still have this "amazing depth" with what's left over? Or is it the fact they each were on a separate line that the Pens were able to spread the depth around?

All these "championship teams" that people reference generally have depth because they spread around the talent. They don't put their three best players on one line and then wonder why the other 3 lines don't consistently produce.

Or maybe the Oilers dont have that depth. Look at Canucks, they can put 2 number 1 centers in Lindholm and Pettersson together and still have Miller and Boeser on another line and impact forward ls like Joshua and Garland on 3rd line playing with a good 3rd center in Bluger and still have the depth on 4th line to scratch 4 million dollar Mikheyev, Lafferty etc. Plus they still can deploy the likes of Podkolzin, Hoglander, PDG, Aman etc. The oilers have who? Connor Brown? 50 year old Perry? Derek Ryan??

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

Since 2021, Draisaitl has 45 ES points, 24 of which were shared with McDavid.

That’s a crazy stat.

With forwards like Hyman, Kane, RNH that can play alongside both McDavid & Hyman, they should easily be able to drive their own line. They don’t need more support, they just need to carry their line 5on5.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Or maybe the Oilers dont have that depth. Look at Canucks, they can put 2 number 1 centers in Lindholm and Pettersson together and still have Miller and Boeser on another line and impact forward ls like Joshua and Garland on 3rd line playing with a good 3rd center in Bluger and still have the depth on 4th line to scratch 4 million dollar Mikheyev, Lafferty etc. Plus they still can deploy the likes of Podkolzin, Hoglander, PDG, Aman etc. The oilers have who? Connor Brown? 50 year old Perry? Derek Ryan??

Can they really not find a way to make 2 good lines with

Hyman McDavid Draisaitl RNH & Kane

That has enough talent. We are looking at 3 guys who have scored over 100 points. 3 players who have scored over 50 goals.

They should be able to run out 2 1st lines and play them 40 to 44 minutes a night.

That's 20 to 16 minutes of the 3rd/4th line and let's just remind everyone that they scored last night to provide depth scoring.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

Geno and Crosby had a phenomenal playoff run back then, I wont take anything away from that. but its not like this was every season. Next season Geno had 11 points in 13 games. Not that great I guess.

And they didn't win the cup that year. Great