Prospect Info: General Prospect Discussion Thread 2020-21

[P10p]

Or, it's a comment from someone who has watched every one of his AHL games. I don't say the same about Dewar, or Bartkowski, or even Addison. Boldy gets knocked down and simply falls down at the AHL level more than you like to see. That problem will likely be far worse at the NHL level if he is called up.

Since you seem to disagree what on your thoughts based on your recent viewings of Boldy?

I wasn't targeting, I was just targeting the saying "needs to get stronger". Every kid "needs to get stronger".

On the other hand, if you have watched all of Boldy's games and come away with "needs to get stronger" I don't know what game you're watching. Boldy routinely fends attackers off and wins board battles with him strength and knowing how to use his body. What Boldy needs is better acceleration and skating in general. He is plenty strong.

 

[57special]

I wasn't targeting, I was just targeting the saying "needs to get stronger". Every kid "needs to get stronger".

On the other hand, if you have watched all of Boldy's games and come away with "needs to get stronger" I don't know what game you're watching. Boldy routinely fends attackers off and wins board battles with him strength and knowing how to use his body. What Boldy needs is better acceleration and skating in general. He is plenty strong.

You haven't seen Boldy fall, or stumble a lot when around contact? Because I sure have. I have also seen him use his strength successfully, so you aren't wrong there. It's the inconsistency, and lack of either a stable base, or more likely agility, that comes with training both on the ice and in the gym. His skating,too, is inconsistent. Sometimes he looks slow, with slow feet. Other times he shows a burst of speed that is above average. He seems Bambi like out there at times. Reminds me of Brodin when he came up strength wise, but Brodin had the magic feet to keep him out of trouble.

Some of that might be put down to not knowing where to play with new teammates, because that can cause hesitation and make a player look slow. Since Boldy is a cerebral player, he should fix that fairly quickly.

As I said earlier, many players need to work on other things besides getting stronger, whether it be positional or two way play, shooting, puck handling, decision making, speed, edges, and on and on. Boldy's shooting is already fine. So is his decision making and passing, for the most part. His play in small areas is good. Puck skills are good or better. You can't say that of many young players.

 

[P10p]

You haven't seen Boldy fall, or stumble a lot when around contact? Because I sure have. I have also seen him use his strength successfully, so you aren't wrong there. It's the inconsistency, and lack of either a stable base, or more likely agility, that comes with training both on the ice and in the gym. His skating,too, is inconsistent. Sometimes he looks slow, with slow feet. Other times he shows a burst of speed that is above average. He seems Bambi like out there at times. Reminds me of Brodin when he came up strength wise, but Brodin had the magic feet to keep him out of trouble.

Some of that might be put down to not knowing where to play with new teammates, because that can cause hesitation and make a player look slow. Since Boldy is a cerebral player, he should fix that fairly quickly.

As I said earlier, many players need to work on other things besides getting stronger, whether it be positional or two way play, shooting, puck handling, decision making, speed, edges, and on and on. Boldy's shooting is already fine. So is his decision making and passing, for the most part. His play in small areas is good. Puck skills are good or better. You can't say that of many young players.

Again, I get your take, but I just don't see it. I don't notice Boldy falling down more than he should be as you say. Maybe you're watching old film of Granlund?

 

[grN1g]

 

[57special]

They have credited Boldy with an assist on a goal, but he should lose it- belonged to Shaw. Has been looking really good, though. Much faster, and has some really nifty, quick moves that helps him to get his shot off, which looks to be pretty hard.

 

[nickschultzfan]

Any word on Khovanov? He was a top scoring U21 in the VHL in Russia (after getting demoted from KHL). VHL season is over. Is there a reason why he is not on his way to Iowa?

 

[2Pair]

Any word on Khovanov? He was a top scoring U21 in the VHL in Russia (after getting demoted from KHL). VHL season is over. Is there a reason why he is not on his way to Iowa?

The Wild front office isn't very good at what they do.

 

[grN1g]

Could be giving Khovanov time to decide if he wants to come back for Iowa next year or develop likely another year across the pond.

Neither is the right or wrong answer and I certainly wouldn't say "wild office isn't good at what they do" lol.

 

[2Pair]

Could be giving Khovanov time to decide if he wants to come back for Iowa next year or develop likely another year across the pond.

Neither is the right or wrong answer and I certainly wouldn't say "wild office isn't good at what they do" lol.

Staying in Russia would absolutely be the wrong answer

 

[grN1g]

Staying in Russia would absolutely be the wrong answer

How so? As far as I've seen you got some logistics issues to get him here with covid and others I'm sure you are not taking into account.

And who's to say he isn't developing better over their? Seems like you're confident on how to develop hockey players so why aren't you in the league doing so?

So dense.

 

[2Pair]

How so? As far as I've seen you got some logistics issues to get him here with covid and others I'm sure you are not taking into account.

And who's to say he isn't developing better over their? Seems like you're confident on how to develop hockey players so why aren't you in the league doing so?

So dense.

Do you even know what level Khovanov is playing at in Russia? Do you have any idea why he's playing at that level? If you're going to take personal shots at me, the least you can do is have even a bit of a clue of what we are discussing.

 

[DeagleJenkins]

Do you even know what level Khovanov is playing at in Russia? Do you have any idea why he's playing at that level? If you're going to take personal shots at me, the least you can do is have even a bit of a clue of what we are discussing.

Does the loan of him to the ak bars present an issue with bringing him back currently even though the vhl is over?

 

[57special]

Any word on Khovanov? He was a top scoring U21 in the VHL in Russia (after getting demoted from KHL). VHL season is over. Is there a reason why he is not on his way to Iowa?

He was 19th in p/gp in the VHL. Not really anything to brag about. Khovanov might be exhausted, pondering staying in Russia rather than racing back to Iowa to play in the final few games of an AHL season where there is no certainty of them even having playoffs.

I'm sure Guerin has reached out to him, but I don't see either Guerin or Khovanov thinking that rushing over here to get in two weeks of hockey on a team that is already overloaded (Swaney should be playing on an ATO), and could be shut down at any time due to Covid. At this point, Dewar, Shaw, and Giroux are similar levels of C prospects. All three are playing well.

Lodnia is either in a similar situation, or injured. There might be a contractual reason why it wouldn't be to MN's advantage to sign Lodnia or Khovanov for a couple of weeks.

 

[grN1g]

Do you even know what level Khovanov is playing at in Russia? Do you have any idea why he's playing at that level? If you're going to take personal shots at me, the least you can do is have even a bit of a clue of what we are discussing.

1. Yes
2. Yes

Both of those silly questions are just proving my point. He needs more time to develop.

And yet Neither has any thing to do with if he should be playing in Iowa or not. Perhaps he doesn't want to and progress back into the KHL instead? You know let the player do what's more comfortable for them?

Dense.

 

[nickschultzfan]

He was 19th in p/gp in the VHL. Not really anything to brag about. Khovanov might be exhausted, pondering staying in Russia rather than racing back to Iowa to play in the final few games of an AHL season where there is no certainty of them even having playoffs.

I'm sure Guerin has reached out to him, but I don't see either Guerin or Khovanov thinking that rushing over here to get in two weeks of hockey on a team that is already overloaded (Swaney should be playing on an ATO), and could be shut down at any time due to Covid. At this point, Dewar, Shaw, and Giroux are similar levels of C prospects. All three are playing well.

Lodnia is either in a similar situation, or injured. There might be a contractual reason why it wouldn't be to MN's advantage to sign Lodnia or Khovanov for a couple of weeks.

VHL is the Russian AHL. Almost all those ahead of him are older professionals.

 

[KaprizovEntitlelist]

He was 19th in p/gp in the VHL. Not really anything to brag about. Khovanov might be exhausted, pondering staying in Russia rather than racing back to Iowa to play in the final few games of an AHL season where there is no certainty of them even having playoffs.

I'm sure Guerin has reached out to him, but I don't see either Guerin or Khovanov thinking that rushing over here to get in two weeks of hockey on a team that is already overloaded (Swaney should be playing on an ATO), and could be shut down at any time due to Covid. At this point, Dewar, Shaw, and Giroux are similar levels of C prospects. All three are playing well.

Lodnia is either in a similar situation, or injured. There might be a contractual reason why it wouldn't be to MN's advantage to sign Lodnia or Khovanov for a couple of weeks.

Khovanov is already signed

 

[57special]

VHL is the Russian AHL. Almost all those ahead of him are older professionals.

I know what the VHL is. It is not at the level of the AHL. More like somewhere between the AHL and ECHL. It's hard to look at Khovanov's year as anything but a disappointment.

 

[MuckOG]

It would seem to be in Khovanov's best interest to come back to North America and continue his development with the organization that drafted him and has a vested interest in seeing him succeed.

 

[2Pair]

It would seem to be in Khovanov's best interest to come back to North America and continue his development with the organization that drafted him and has a vested interest in seeing him succeed.

Exactly this.

Ak Bars has very little incentive to care about the development of Khovanov

 

[BigT2002]

Exactly this.

Ak Bars has very little incentive to care about the development of Khovanov

Not disagreeing with you at all here, but couldn't this be family motivated too? With all things COVID, could he have just said "you know what, I think I wanna stay close to my family in case something bad happens and one passes" With all the quarantine rules and stuff, it probably isn't exactly easy to get over the pond for a funeral without suffering it.

Then again, I literally have zero clue what Russia's policies are with international travel. Or if they make the exception even just against the US, because well...it is the US.

 

[2Pair]

Not disagreeing with you at all here, but couldn't this be family motivated too? With all things COVID, could he have just said "you know what, I think I wanna stay close to my family in case something bad happens and one passes" With all the quarantine rules and stuff, it probably isn't exactly easy to get over the pond for a funeral without suffering it.

Then again, I literally have zero clue what Russia's policies are with international travel. Or if they make the exception even just against the US, because well...it is the US.

Khovanov went back to Russia because a guaranteed season in Russia sounded a lot better than a maybe season in the AHL at the time a decision needed to be made. Just like the decision that Menell made. Ak Bars realized that Khovanov wasn't any better than what they already had and decided that it didn't make much sense to spend a ton of time developing a player that wasn't going to be there past 1 season. I don't know that anybody can really be blamed for how the season turned out, but I also can't see why anyone would want to try and do it again. Get the kid to Iowa where you can control his development.

 

[BigT2002]

Khovanov went back to Russia because a guaranteed season in Russia sounded a lot better than a maybe season in the AHL at the time a decision needed to be made. Just like the decision that Menell made. Ak Bars realized that Khovanov wasn't any better than what they already had and decided that it didn't make much sense to spend a ton of time developing a player that wasn't going to be there past 1 season. I don't know that anybody can really be blamed for how the season turned out, but I also can't see why anyone would want to try and do it again. Get the kid to Iowa where you can control his development.

Good point. Hopefully he'll get back sooner, rather than later if there is true development in the kid to hopefully elevate to the NHL one day.

 

[2Pair]

Good point. Hopefully he'll get back sooner, rather than later if there is true development in the kid to hopefully elevate to the NHL one day.

He can't stay in Russia without the Wild's permission, so I don't see it ever being an issue.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

Daemon Hunt 2 points, first star of the game to bring him up to 16 points in 19 games. In case you’re wondering, that’s typically late 1st round production in your d+1. Would be nice if one of O’Rourke/Hunt can hit and be a top 4 LD. Both have NHL futures I think.

 

[MuckOG]

I'm liking this selection more and more.