General Off-Day Thread (goalie talk, so hot right now)
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A real jerk thing
Gonna go back in time and murder every “yOu bUiLd fRoM tEh NeT Ahtttt” pensblog reading dipshit to reset the timeline.
Big Friggin Dummy
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There was really no defending the Jarry contract on the day it was signed, or any time since.
If you wanted to give him one final shot to prove he was the franchise goalie, you don't go half a decade on term.
If that's what it took to keep him around, you shrug and let his ass walk and figure things out from there.
It was a lazy move by an unserious, dysfunctional team.
If you wanted to give him one final shot to prove he was the franchise goalie, you don't go half a decade on term.
If that's what it took to keep him around, you shrug and let his ass walk and figure things out from there.It was a lazy move by an unserious, dysfunctional team.
cygnus47
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If I were a GM.
1) Have a strategic vision for the way the team will play based on your best players. Hire a coach that can pull it off. The strategy may have to change based on age/guys not signing. Don't just keep trying to recreate winning teams by overpaying veterans.
2) Team / strategic fit is more important for trades than pure value. Don't make trades just because you can.
3) Coaches, goalies and bottom 6 are completely replaceable and temporary. They have to earn their spots every week. Don't overpay or give term to goalies or bottom 6 in UFA.
4) If coach refuses to let youth play when they outplay veterans, fire them, even if they've won you a cup in the last few years. As soon as your team loses the winning mentality, stops experimenting or leaves issues unresolved for months, fire the coach. They are allowed to lose, they can't be losers.
5) Keep competition for lineup spots. Keep it. Your guy isn't that good, he's gotta prove it again and again. It's ok to have holes in the lineup for game 1. Graduate guys from the AHL when they're better than guys in your bottom 6.
6) Give the talented guys opportunities with your best players during the season, even if they have warts. Coach has to keep experimenting every year, even if the lineup is identical to the previous year.
7) Elite players have to be drafted 2/3 times. Pay them if they drive play AND produce. Trade them if they don't fit your strategy.
8) You need entry level / 1st contract guys in your top 6 and top 4.
9) Keep managing assets even when you're starting to win. Don't get attached to players that don't fit the cap, even if they leave holes.
10) Just draft BPA. Draft for skill/production in every round. Horrible skating and toxic personality are issues, everything else is secondary to skill/production.
1) Have a strategic vision for the way the team will play based on your best players. Hire a coach that can pull it off. The strategy may have to change based on age/guys not signing. Don't just keep trying to recreate winning teams by overpaying veterans.
2) Team / strategic fit is more important for trades than pure value. Don't make trades just because you can.
3) Coaches, goalies and bottom 6 are completely replaceable and temporary. They have to earn their spots every week. Don't overpay or give term to goalies or bottom 6 in UFA.
4) If coach refuses to let youth play when they outplay veterans, fire them, even if they've won you a cup in the last few years. As soon as your team loses the winning mentality, stops experimenting or leaves issues unresolved for months, fire the coach. They are allowed to lose, they can't be losers.
5) Keep competition for lineup spots. Keep it. Your guy isn't that good, he's gotta prove it again and again. It's ok to have holes in the lineup for game 1. Graduate guys from the AHL when they're better than guys in your bottom 6.
6) Give the talented guys opportunities with your best players during the season, even if they have warts. Coach has to keep experimenting every year, even if the lineup is identical to the previous year.
7) Elite players have to be drafted 2/3 times. Pay them if they drive play AND produce. Trade them if they don't fit your strategy.
8) You need entry level / 1st contract guys in your top 6 and top 4.
9) Keep managing assets even when you're starting to win. Don't get attached to players that don't fit the cap, even if they leave holes.
10) Just draft BPA. Draft for skill/production in every round. Horrible skating and toxic personality are issues, everything else is secondary to skill/production.
SomeDude
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That's all good and all, but lets get down to what is really important. Do you wear glasses and can you say nothing for 25 minutes until people assume you are smart?
AuroraBorealis
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This isn't gonna change much. Maybe we move down a few spots in the draft. Bout it.
But at least people will feel better.
But at least people will feel better.
Big Friggin Dummy
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Still going with my gut feeling that Sullivan and the team have a mutual parting of ways this spring, hopefully because Dubas grows a spine (and brain) and tells Sully that Rust is gone as soon as his NTC drops July 1st.
Let me DREAM.
Let me DREAM.
I do wear glasses and...well....you have all read my posts.
Where do I sign for FSG millions?
ColePens
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I'd just take strategic planning. The strategy right now is similar to the Pittsburgh Pirates "Sell the fans on Sid/Geno/Letang and just hover around." It's a business decision and doesn't actually focus on winning or improving.
It’s sad but they’re probably doing it in part to keep ticket prices high.
lol…we can’t even sell assets right because they all get hurt and reduce their value…first Petts, now this
Nieto on line 1 is only temporary until we can steal Garrett Wilson from Lehigh Valley for an encore performance.
BlindWillyMcHurt
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Looks like I jumped the gun…Sullivan saying he’s just “nicked” and is fine lol…so announcement he’s out week to week will shortly be forthcoming
Gurglesons
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please someone take jarry. really we should trade away ned too.
I like Ned, but if i'm honest with myself it's more because he holds himself accountable and he battles.
We should just run Joel and Filip from WBS as our goalies and see what happens, get the russian kid up to the AHL because he might be a stud for us for a long time, and we need to figure that out.
But we are awful in net, yes we are awful defensively at times as well. But neither of our goalies are doing well. when stats like expected goals against you are languishing towards the bottom of the pack consistently that's a problem. That stat isn't perfect but it takes into account where the shot is coming from and how often other goalies make saves in a similar situation.
Jarry is completely broken imo, in many ways if someone came out and said he needs glasses and didn't know it would make complete sense. Because there are times where he is unobstructed and he just misses the puck, partly due to positioning but that aside he just misses it like he isn't able to track the puck to his blocker/glove. dunno but it's boggling to me.
I like Ned, but if i'm honest with myself it's more because he holds himself accountable and he battles.
We should just run Joel and Filip from WBS as our goalies and see what happens, get the russian kid up to the AHL because he might be a stud for us for a long time, and we need to figure that out.
But we are awful in net, yes we are awful defensively at times as well. But neither of our goalies are doing well. when stats like expected goals against you are languishing towards the bottom of the pack consistently that's a problem. That stat isn't perfect but it takes into account where the shot is coming from and how often other goalies make saves in a similar situation.
Jarry is completely broken imo, in many ways if someone came out and said he needs glasses and didn't know it would make complete sense. Because there are times where he is unobstructed and he just misses the puck, partly due to positioning but that aside he just misses it like he isn't able to track the puck to his blocker/glove. dunno but it's boggling to me.
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If it's short term, I bet Beauvillier goes with Sid to make:
Beau-Sid-Rust
Bunting-Geno-Glass
DOC-Hayes-Tomasino
Nieto-Lizotte-Acciari
BusinessGoose
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It doesn't even make me feel better
Jarry should have been gone
They bought this spoiled milk for $20 one day from expiration and are now dealing with it two weeks later
Really inspiring stuff
Can't wait for this crew to start drafting the future, too
Jarry should have been gone
They bought this spoiled milk for $20 one day from expiration and are now dealing with it two weeks later
Really inspiring stuff
Can't wait for this crew to start drafting the future, too
Gold Diamond
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No one took Jarry, what a surprise. Now we have to buy him out and pay dead cap hit for a thousand years.
Randy Butternubs
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Send him to Wheeling with Jaxon Castor. Murashov to the AHL with Gauthier now that Larsson may be injured.
send him to the moon, just so long as he never starts for the big team ever again. it's hard to say which contract is worse, graves or jarry's but over 11M of dead money on our roster no excuse for it.
BlindWillyMcHurt
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This is a step that had to be taken but I still think it's far from ideal to have him just... hanging around. Especially for a supposed developing team. Even moreso if Jarry's attitude is actually as shit as it seems like it is.
“But this is the reality of the business. It’s performance-based.”
-Mike Sullivan on Jarry.
Question: why does the coach still have his job if it’s all performance-based? Is there a single member of the Pittsburgh media who will just ask him straight up? lol…
-Mike Sullivan on Jarry.
Question: why does the coach still have his job if it’s all performance-based? Is there a single member of the Pittsburgh media who will just ask him straight up? lol…
cygnus47
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At least with our media we know exactly what the team is thinking based on what the media are told to ask. If they actually held the team to account objectively, we’d have to speculate!
Im an academic so yeah this is like my main skill.
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