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SEALBound said:
I complain about how shitty we are and how bad Sullivan is and how much I hate our bottom 6 all the time.

I damn near change my little mini-quote thing to "Nieto should not play another NHL game for the Penguins."

I said this yesterday but a lot of what we complain about is secondary as nothing making Sid, Malkin, and Letang 10 years younger. We're at the end of this era and these are the trying times before the bottom falls out. It happens to every team. Even Wayne and Mario got old. Jagr did but also didn't at the same time.

About the only major change that could maaaaaaaaaaybe turn it around is canning Sullivan.
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Jagr stopped producing at a ppg pace at 35. Gretzky at 37, and Mario at 38/40.

It’s kind of crazy Sid has been able to do it this long but he’s going to run up against time at some point. Malkin looks like he’s about done and Letang is still useful but a net negative player at this point.
 
Didnt know where to post this, but I was today years old when I learned former Pens great Steve Oleksy is married to Hulk Hogans daughter.
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edog37 said:
Dubas admitted his mistake pretty openly. However, look at the circumstances. He came in during the summer when the goalie market was already weak & was still new to things. He wanted to sign a guy whom the team drafted & spent quite a few amount of years developing as the goalie moving forward. None of us liked the term but the market was soft. Jarry had a good amount of leverage.

Regarding Graves, he came off as a solid component on a Cup winning team. Sometimes guys just don’t produce.


Again, the organization spent draft capital & development time in Jarry. They rightfully wanted return on that investment. Nobody wanted the term he got, but who else was available with any pedigree? It was summer time. You’re not going to find Brodeur.
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So, just as I suspected, not Dubas' fault, right?

He could have never thought to do what I, and several others, on this very board wanted to do that summer and sign either 2 middling goalies or 1 middling goalie and kept CDS until another, better long term option came available via trade or UFA next year.

Look at Cam Talbot. LA got him for 1x1 the same day Kyle blew it with Jarry and now he's in Detroit on another short term. He's not a sexy name, but he's a better goalie than Tristan Jarry and would have been a fine stop gap to get to Blomqvist.
 
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SomeDude said:
So, just as I suspected, not Dubas' fault, right?

He could have never thought to do what I, and several others, on this very board wanted to do that summer and sign either 2 middling goalies or 1 middling goalie and kept CDS until another, better long term option came available via trade or UFA next year.

Look at Cam Talbot. LA got him for 1x1 the same day Kyle blew it with Jarry and now he's in Detroit on another short term. He's not a sexy name, but he's a better goalie than Tristan Jarry and would have been a fine stop gap to get to Blomqvist.
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Dubas looked around the league & didn’t like what he saw. He was right.

The only mistake was signing Jarry to that length of time. A mistake that’s being corrected.

You make another false premise. It didn’t matter who the goalie was. Still doesn’t by & large. This team isn’t competitive any more.

This roster must be torn down & rebuilt for it to be competitive again. It’s that simple. It will take time & will be painful. Dubas did the right thing by getting us a ton of picks the next 3 drafts (we have 4 drafts worth). That’s Step 1.

Step 2 will mean dumping salary where possible & cleaning out contracts. Some happens organically (Malkin’s expiring after next year). Others through trade or buyout.

Step 3 is drafting well or leveraging extra picks to move up & get higher end talent. It also means bottoming out & getting the high end pick through the lottery. Either way is good.

This will be a 5-10 year process & that’s ok.
 
Please stop with this weak goalie market nonsense. It only makes sense if the premise is that Jarry is actually a good NHL starter which he is most certainly not. Finding some journeyman to do Jarry's job for two or three times less money would have been very easy. Hell, the goalie who led Vegas to the Cup signed for less money and shorter term literally days before Jarry was re-signed. Leverage, my posterior.
 
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Icarium said:
Please stop with this weak goalie market nonsense. It only makes sense if the premise is that Jarry is actually a good NHL starter which he is most certainly not. Finding some journeyman to do Jarry's job for two or three times less money would have been very easy. Hell, the goalie who led Vegas to the Cup signed for less money and shorter term literally days before Jarry was re-signed. Leverage, my posterior.
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The defense of the Jarry signing because of a weak goalie market is so stupid because it relies on the argument that Jarry's better than the "crap" that was available, which he isn't. You could've gotten the same type of performance we've gotten out of Jarry from any of those so-called question marks available that summer.
 
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Icarium said:
Please stop with this weak goalie market nonsense. It only makes sense if the premise is that Jarry is actually a good NHL starter which he is most certainly not. Finding some journeyman to do Jarry's job for two or three times less money would have been very easy. Hell, the goalie who led Vegas to the Cup signed for less money and shorter term literally days before Jarry was re-signed. Leverage, my posterior.
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I think they could have found someone on a short term contract but said goalie probably would have also not been that great. But at least they wouldn't have been stuck with Jarry.

Looking back at the goalies signed I would have rather explored the trade market and seen if they could address it that way.
 
Sidney the Kidney said:
The defense of the Jarry signing because of a weak goalie market is so stupid because it relies on the argument that Jarry's better than the "crap" that was available, which he isn't. You could've gotten the same type of performance we've gotten out of Jarry from any of those so-called question marks available that summer.
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The defense is that he had an all star quality year and one bad year and it wasn’t clear which was the real him. Still a bad signing because goalies, but it’s not like he had already stunk it up 3 years in a row.
 
cygnus47 said:
The defense is that he had an all star quality year and one bad year and it wasn’t clear which was the real him. Still a bad signing because goalies, but it’s not like he had already stunk it up 3 years in a row.
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He already showed signs of being unreliable, where he'd get "hot" from about November to early January before turning into a pumpkin after the all-star break. And that's not touching on his shitty playoff record.

So I don't agree we didn't know what we were getting yet. We did. We had a goalie who might be great during the Nov-Jan stretch, but then we need a backup capable of carrying the load once February and beyond hit.
 
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Quinn has actually done a great job with the powerplay. The coaching staff needs an overhaul but I’d hate to lose the gains we made on the powerplay. Maybe keep him on as an assistant just for that. Find a guy to solely run the D, then someone else for the F/PK.
 
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