General Drafted Prospects Thread

I think Yak is more moldable as a two way physical D than someone like Buium or Parekh, who are more pure offensive dmen. And, beyond just player unhappiness, are you really getting proper usage out of players like that in terms of roster construction when you aren’t playing them in ways they can really excel?

Chabot wasn’t an elite 1D. He was a below average/average one. You can accept a lesser role in those circumstances.

I don’t think the Sens sat there and thought “we can’t have another PP1 guy”. I think it’s more that they thought “if the guy we draft isn’t a PP1 guy, then all things being equal, what makes us a better team?” And they probably think Yak’s skillset (plus handedness) make him a more viable option. You are definitely losing some value in Buium if he’s not playing prime offensive minutes.

When it comes to Yakemchuk versus the other guys, any evaluation of the pick really should take into account that Yakemchuk is a big right-shot defenceman, and big right-shot defenceman who are actually good are among the most valuable assets in hockey. People can choose how much value they place on that fact, but it matters.

Something that we would often hear from Dorion-Mann was "you can't trade for guys like this". Early in the draft, they would put a real emphasis on the relative value of different types of prospects. My guess is that philosophy has carried over with Boyd.

Go through our history and it's clear we don't take small, skilled forwards high in the draft. One could say that's because our scouts don't value skill, and in my opinion they wouldn't be wrong. But I suspect Boyd would argue that it's not about not valuing skill, it's about prioritizing prospects who will play a role/fill a position that is harder to fill. Top nine centres are extremely valuable, and we've taken a lot of those types of prospects. Small, skilled wingers are relatively easy to acquire, and we never take those types of prospects high (or at all, recently).

I suspect part of the Yakemchuk selection was our scouts being really high on him as a player (obviously), but a big part of it was also the fact that he's a big RHD and the other options were not. If they're good, and our scouts clearly think Yakemchuk will be, those are extremely hard players to acquire. Like, if our scouts knew for sure at the draft that Dickinson would turn into an A- NHLer and Yakemchuk would turn into a B+ NHLer, I think they take Yakemchuk, because the B+ RHD is more valuable in their estimation than the A- LHD.

(This post isn't meant as a defence of our scouting staff. There is the philosophy, which makes some sense and is followed by other teams and in other sports, and there's the actual evaluation of prospects, where I don't trust our scouts at all.)
 
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London are just a wagon. Walking all over Erie. Cowen and Dickinson each have 2 points so far

Edit: OHL site has Sam O'Rielly with Dickinsons PP assist, but that is a mistake for sure, watching it live it wasn't possible
 
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Affiliated prospect rankings

Button's
2024 draft D rank
Buium
Parekh
Dickinson
Levshunov
Silayev
Yakemchuk

Wheeler's
Buium
Levshunov
Parekh
Dickinson
Yakemchuk
Silayev

ESPN's
Levshunov
Parekh
Buium
Dickinson
Yakemchuk
Silayev

Pronman's U23
Buium
Dickinson
Levshunov
Yakemchuk
Silayev
Parekh

TSN's U24 (Button and Peters)
Levshunov
Buium
Dickinson
Parekh


There may be other more recent notable lists out there that I did not find
Not all consistent criteria across the board used here so its hard to combine them

Sam Rinzel and Cole Hutson were off the radar or what?
 
Some evaluations of the 2024 defensemen prospects don't always acknowledge the inherent risks in all these players and pretend like there were clear choices. Buium, Parekh, Dickinson, Silayev, and others all have significant flaws.

Parekh, for instance, is a worse defender than Jamie Drysdale was as a prospect but is much more offensively gifted. He might develop defensively and shows more grit and moxie than Drysdale. However, Drysdale struggles defensively at the NHL level and appears to be trending toward bust status.

The hype around Silayev was, in retrospect, somewhat excessive, and concerns about his offensive upside seem warranted. Despite being ranked highly on draft boards, he may end up being the weakest of the "big six."

Dickinson has had a strong year and is generating some buzz. However, even scouting guides that rated him highly expressed reservations about his offensive upside. London is also perennially dominant and has teams on their heals the entire game. They are scoring 6.2 goals a game in these playoffs. Yet, he maybe well on his way to proving his doubters wrong and become a big-time offensive threat in the NHL.

With Buium, there were concerns about his size and skating combination.

Yakemchuk arguably had the most flaws in his game. However, projecting five years down the line, he has the potential to become a very unique player. He also plays on an offensively anemic team. Would he benefit from playing with better players? Or is just a big fish in a small pond. Calgary is averaging 3.6 goals a game in these playoffs. How do evaluate that? I am using these playoffs but the point applies to pre-draft as well.

As has been noted, players are evaluated based on different criteria. I don’t see a Sanderson-level prospect in this group and never did. There’s significant bust potential here, and many of these players may end up being average at best, including Yakemchuk.
 
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Goaltender ― Nikke Kokko, Coachella Valley Firebirds (32 GP, 20-9-2, 2.23 GAA, .914 SV%) Seattle Kraken - Drafted: 2022, Round: 2 (#58)
Defenseman ― Luca Cagnoni, San Jose Barracuda (62 GP, 14-35-49, 10 PPG) San Jose Sharks - Drafted: 2023, Round: 4 (#123)
Defenseman ― Tristan Luneau, San Diego Gulls (56 GP, 7-41-48, 1 PPG, 2 GWG) Anaheim Ducks - Drafted: 2022, Round: 2 (#53)
Forward ― Justin Hryckowian, Texas Stars (66 GP, 20-38-58, +14, 4 PPG, 1 GWG) Dallas Stars undrafted
Forward ― Ville Koivunen, Wilkes-Barre/Scranton Penguins (62 GP, 21-34-55, 4 PPG, 2 GWG) Carolina Hurricanes - Drafted: 2021, Round: 2 (#51)
Forward ― Bradly Nadeau, Chicago Wolves (63 GP, 30-26-56, 8 PPG, 7 GWG) Carolina Hurricanes - Drafted: 2023, Round: 1 (#30)
 
Some evaluations of the 2024 defensemen prospects don't always acknowledge the inherent risks in all these players and pretend like there were clear choices. Buium, Parekh, Dickinson, Silayev, and others all have significant flaws.

Parekh, for instance, is a worse defender than Jamie Drysdale was as a prospect but is much more offensively gifted. He might develop defensively and shows more grit and moxie than Drysdale. However, Drysdale struggles defensively at the NHL level and appears to be trending toward bust status.

The hype around Silayev was, in retrospect, somewhat excessive, and concerns about his offensive upside seem warranted. Despite being ranked highly on draft boards, he may end up being the weakest of the "big six."

Dickinson has had a strong year and is generating some buzz. However, even scouting guides that rated him highly expressed reservations about his offensive upside. London is also perennially dominant and has teams on their heals the entire game. They are scoring 6.2 goals a game in these playoffs. Yet, he maybe well on his way to proving his doubters wrong and become a big-time offensive threat in the NHL.

With Buium, there were concerns about his size and skating combination.

Yakemchuk arguably had the most flaws in his game. However, projecting five years down the line, he has the potential to become a very unique player. He also plays on an offensively anemic team. Would he benefit from playing with better players? Or is just a big fish in a small pond. Calgary is averaging 3.6 goals a game in these playoffs. How do evaluate that? I am using these playoffs but the point applies to pre-draft as well.

As has been noted, players are evaluated based on different criteria. I don’t see a Sanderson-level prospect in this group and never did. There’s significant bust potential here, and many of these players may end up being average at best, including Yakemchuk.
Likely not as refined but here is another opinion on Drysdale offering a little more insight and context

He hasn't been the player many thought he would be coming out of junior with high expectations but he just turned 23 in April and he missed large parts of 2 seasons in a very young career with injury since turning pro.. which most would tell you is significant in the development of young players. Per Keith Jones his early development was mishandled by the Ducks by turning him pro early. A cautionary tale.
 
Some evaluations of the 2024 defensemen prospects don't always acknowledge the inherent risks in all these players and pretend like there were clear choices. Buium, Parekh, Dickinson, Silayev, and others all have significant flaws.

Parekh, for instance, is a worse defender than Jamie Drysdale was as a prospect but is much more offensively gifted. He might develop defensively and shows more grit and moxie than Drysdale. However, Drysdale struggles defensively at the NHL level and appears to be trending toward bust status.

The hype around Silayev was, in retrospect, somewhat excessive, and concerns about his offensive upside seem warranted. Despite being ranked highly on draft boards, he may end up being the weakest of the "big six."

Dickinson has had a strong year and is generating some buzz. However, even scouting guides that rated him highly expressed reservations about his offensive upside. London is also perennially dominant and has teams on their heals the entire game. They are scoring 6.2 goals a game in these playoffs. Yet, he maybe well on his way to proving his doubters wrong and become a big-time offensive threat in the NHL.

With Buium, there were concerns about his size and skating combination.

Yakemchuk arguably had the most flaws in his game. However, projecting five years down the line, he has the potential to become a very unique player. He also plays on an offensively anemic team. Would he benefit from playing with better players? Or is just a big fish in a small pond. Calgary is averaging 3.6 goals a game in these playoffs. How do evaluate that? I am using these playoffs but the point applies to pre-draft as well.

As has been noted, players are evaluated based on different criteria. I don’t see a Sanderson-level prospect in this group and never did. There’s significant bust potential here, and many of these players may end up being average at best, including Yakemchuk.
To some, there was a clear choice.
 
Likely not as refined but here is another opinion on Drysdale offering a little more insight and context

He hasn't been the player many thought he would be coming out of junior with high expectations but he just turned 23 in April and he missed large parts of 2 seasons in a very young career with injury since turning pro.. which most would tell you is significant in the development of young players. Per Keith Jones his early development was mishandled by the Ducks by turning him pro early. A cautionary tale.
now you want context.....cope bud - take that with a grain of salt
 
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are you talking about Zadina in 2018. 90%
keep editing!

EDIT: Anyway, I am not interested in a pissing match with you. My point is just because players are ranked close in aggregate, or you think players are close, that does not mean other people hold those same views. I am not saying one side is right and the other side is wrong.
 
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keep editing!
When you are talking about clear choices on Sens HFboards, you gotta be talking about Zadina.

Edit: I agree with that. Some people will be spot on and clear eyed from the jump. It wasn't so obvious to me and i can still see it going in multiple ways,
 
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Affiliated prospect rankings

Button's
2024 draft D rank
Buium
Parekh
Dickinson
Levshunov
Silayev
Yakemchuk

Wheeler's
Buium
Levshunov
Parekh
Dickinson
Yakemchuk
Silayev

ESPN's
Levshunov
Parekh
Buium
Dickinson
Yakemchuk
Silayev

Pronman's U23
Buium
Dickinson
Levshunov
Yakemchuk
Silayev
Parekh

TSN's U24 (Button and Peters)
Levshunov
Buium
Dickinson
Parekh


There may be other more recent notable lists out there that I did not find
Not all consistent criteria across the board used here so its hard to combine them
lol wow pronman flipped fast. He had Yakemchuk rated the highest at the draft
 
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lol wow pronman flipped fast. He had Yakemchuk rated the highest at the draft
He was really off the mark with him with how much he loved him.

Nothing wrong with having him where he did at the draft, at 3rd, even if I think it's quite nuts. He was the highest on Yak by a very large margin, but someone is always going to be the highest.

But, having him as the 10th best prospect in the league under 24, over Sanderson, is when you know you've jumped the shark. That's utterly insane.

When you amend something so drastically after 3 months you knpow you were off the mark somewhere, and good on him for eating the humble pie and correcting it
 
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Strange kind of goal to get as a D man for your 1st for Parekh, but he's going to be creating offense in ways 99% of D in the league can't

I believe I overestimated the transition pains a guy like that may have
 
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Strange kind of goal to get as a D man for your 1st for Parekh, but he's going to be creating offense in ways 99% of D in the league can't

I believe I overestimated the transition pains a guy like that may have
Nice debut for him. I wonder if he will stick next year. He's one of those guys that would benefit going to the AHL rather than play another year of junior. He really has nothing to prove there.
I don't see that rule changing anytime soon with the CHL NCAA rule change taking some older players out of the CHL.

 
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Parekh is so skilled and smart that you can't really say he has the highest bust potential. He has standout skill that others don't have.

Like he doesn't become as good as hyped? still ends up as Barrie or something.

The only way he doesn't end up being an NHLer is if he has severe compete issues or doesn't love the game enough to want to improve, which doesn't seem to be the case at all.
 
He’s a behemoth of a man
It was cool to see the interaction between him and Rod the bod. The kid can barely speak English and Rod just said, "you can speak hockey".

Also shows just how solid Brind'Amour still is standing beside him.
 

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