General Drafted Prospects Thread

[OD99]

I see a lot of good information on drafted prospects, but a lot of it is clogging up the Senators Prospects thread.

I may be on an island, but I think it would be easier to discuss general prospects here, and let the Sens thread focus on our players.

So, who has some thoughts on Parekh or Dickinson?!

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Great idea imo, could be one of the more interesting threads here if it takes off.

 

[OD99]

I was hoping to see Zeev suit up against Anaheim tonight, but it looks like Spurgeon is back, so Zeev will be in the pressbox.

Zeev sits

I didn't realize he was the #2 ranked prospect at this point - heck of a season for him.

Seeing Demidov last night also showed how amazing it is for these kids to just step in these days. I know he is a special talent, but it's crazy how easy many of these youngsters find the transition.

 

[BondraTime]

I was hoping to see Zeev suit up against Anaheim tonight, but it looks like Spurgeon is back, so Zeev will be in the pressbox.

Zeev sits

I didn't realize he was the #2 ranked prospect at this point - heck of a season for him.

Seeing Demidov last night also showed how amazing it is for these kids to just step in these days. I know he is a special talent, but it's crazy how easy many of these youngsters find the transition.

Was looking forward to watching him tonight, reading he's out here is a bummer.

He's very good, should have been the 3rd guy off the board IMO, with and without hindsight

Demidov is a special talent, he's a guy you would normally rush to the stage to take 1st. Has everything you want.

 

[StoicSensFan]

Too bad they don't want to try Buium - Faber tonight.. watch them lose in regulation and forever regret this decision.

 

[NyQuil]

Demidov is a special talent, he's a guy you would normally rush to the stage to take 1st. Has everything you want.

I never understand teams not going for sheer talent upside in the early picks of the draft.

 

[BondraTime]

I never understand teams not going for sheer talent upside in the early picks of the draft.

If you’re a D and your 6’3+, you’ll likely get moved up a few spots from where you “should” be drafted

If you are 6’1-6’2, there really isn’t much of a push or slide.

6’0 and below, teams, for the most part, aren’t going to rate you accordingly. And for a pretty solid reason, size matters.

But, a guy like Buium should have been atop every teams board for D, he was a very clear top end guy.

Likewise with a guy from Russia. He’s going to slide for the most part. But we are at a point where is should concern no team. Who is the last Russian to not show up for his team?

Hawks should have bolted to the stage to take Demidov. But they got caught up in a big right shot D. They’re the biggest thorn in the drafts side, the almost always get overdrafted because of the position they play and way they shoot.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Affiliated prospect rankings

Button's
2024 draft D rank
Buium
Parekh
Dickinson
Levshunov
Silayev
Yakemchuk

Wheeler's
Buium
Levshunov
Parekh
Dickinson
Yakemchuk
Silayev

ESPN's
Levshunov
Parekh
Buium
Dickinson
Yakemchuk
Silayev

Pronman's U23
Buium
Dickinson
Levshunov
Yakemchuk
Silayev
Parekh

TSN's U24 (Button and Peters)
Levshunov
Buium
Dickinson
Parekh


There may be other more recent notable lists out there that I did not find
Not all consistent criteria across the board used here so its hard to combine them

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I see a lot of good information on drafted prospects, but a lot of it is clogging up the Senators Prospects thread.

I may be on an island, but I think it would be easier to discuss general prospects here, and let the Sens thread focus on our players.

So, who has some thoughts on Parekh or Dickinson?!

two excellent prospects who had impressive D+1 seasons. Calgary and San Jose fans should be happy with those picks.
Both in their U19 seasons so they either make their NHL clubs or go back to Junior .. like Yakemchuk did this year but won't have to next year.
I suppose transferring to the NCAA or going to Europe are also options.

Parekh is with the Flames but hasn't seen action yet as they are trying to get a WC spot .. Chances are he sees some action in their last game if they get eliminated. Should know after tonight's games

Dickinson won't see NHL action this spring. London is likely going to the Mem cup by the way their season has gone.

 

[BondraTime]

I’m unsure if Yak will go to the AHL or NHL if Calgary are eliminated.

Sens may think he’s worth on the roster for y playoffs vs getting games at the AHL level in.

If Belleville are out he will be up for sure

 

[Gil Gunderson]

I’m unsure if Yak will go to the AHL or NHL if Calgary are eliminated.

Sens may think he’s worth on the roster for y playoffs vs getting games at the AHL level in.

If Belleville are out he will be up for sure

If the Hitmen get swept (eliminated tomorrow) I’d like to see Yak get the two last Belleville games this weekend.

 

[BondraTime]

If the Hitmen get swept (eliminated tomorrow)I’d like to see Yak get the two last Belleville games this weekend.

I can’t see them getting swept, I’m going under the thought that he’s there until Saturday at the earliest.

 

[Norris4Norris]

I can't believe we drafted Yakemchuk instead of Buium or Parekh. Yeesh

 

[BondraTime]

I can't believe we drafted Yakemchuk instead of Buium or Parekh. Yeesh

I think I still have Yak ahead of Parekh, not sure how his adjustment will be. Both were at the end of the D for me. I may be hard on Parekh, not often guys completely whiff adjusting.

He's got the highest ceiling, by a lot. If he hits, he's going to be scary. Also has the highest bust factor.

Not sure where Siliyev fits in, I may have thought too much of him, he's probably down with those guys now for me

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Was looking forward to watching him tonight, reading he's out here is a bummer.

He's very good, should have been the 3rd guy off the board IMO, with and without hindsight

Demidov is a special talent, he's a guy you would normally rush to the stage to take 1st. Has everything you want.

Doesn’t have everything Boyd wants

 

[Norris4Norris]

I think I still have Yak ahead of Parekh, not sure how his adjustment will be. Both were at the end of the D for me. I may be hard on Parekh, not often guys completely whiff adjusting.

He's got the highest ceiling, by a lot. If he hits, he's going to be scary. Also has the highest bust factor.

Not sure where Siliyev fits in, I may have thought too much of him, he's probably down with those guys now for me

I'm a greedy bugger but I can't stop thinking how amazing having Buium with Sanderson would have been. Ughh. It reminds me of Pronger and Niedermayer or Keith and Seabrook.

Having two absolute studs on defence is the fastest way to a championship, if you believe that defence wins championships.

 

[PlayOn]

I'm a greedy bugger but I can't stop thinking how amazing having Buium with Sanderson would have been. Ughh. It reminds me of Pronger and Niedermayer or Keith and Seabrook.

Having two absolute studs on defence is the fastest way to a championship, if you believe that defence wins championships.

I like Buium the best of the D that were drafted last season but we would likely have ended up having to trade him. With only one dman getting PP1 time it is difficult to have two guys like that on one team - inevitably someone is probably going to be unhappy with not getting more opportunity.

Of course you can trade him, but I think this is what happens a lot at the draft. NJ likely felt the same way about Luke Hughes (+ the others), hence why they went with a defensive dman.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I like Buium the best of the D that were drafted last season but we would likely have ended up having to trade him. With only one dman getting PP1 time it is difficult to have two guys like that on one team - inevitably someone is probably going to be unhappy with not getting more opportunity.

Of course you can trade him, but I think this is what happens a lot at the draft. NJ likely felt the same way about Luke Hughes (+ the others), hence why they went with a defensive dman.

Winning cures all.

You’re not trading a d man because both want pp1.

I assure you chabot wants pp1. Hasn’t demanded a trade yet.

Yakemchuk is a pp specialist. So I don’t think this sort of thing went into not drafting Buium

 

[PlayOn]

Winning cures all.

You’re not trading a d man because both want pp1.

I assure you chabot wants pp1. Hasn’t demanded a trade yet.

Yakemchuk is a pp specialist. So I don’t think this sort of thing went into not drafting Buium

I think Yak is more moldable as a two way physical D than someone like Buium or Parekh, who are more pure offensive dmen. And, beyond just player unhappiness, are you really getting proper usage out of players like that in terms of roster construction when you aren’t playing them in ways they can really excel?

Chabot wasn’t an elite 1D. He was a below average/average one. You can accept a lesser role in those circumstances.

I don’t think the Sens sat there and thought “we can’t have another PP1 guy”. I think it’s more that they thought “if the guy we draft isn’t a PP1 guy, then all things being equal, what makes us a better team?” And they probably think Yak’s skillset (plus handedness) make him a more viable option. You are definitely losing some value in Buium if he’s not playing prime offensive minutes.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I think Yak is more moldable as a two way physical D than someone like Buium or Parekh, who are more pure offensive dmen. And, beyond just player unhappiness, are you really getting proper usage out of players like that in terms of roster construction when you aren’t playing them in ways they can really excel?

Chabot wasn’t an elite 1D. He was a below average/average one. You can accept a lesser role in those circumstances.

I don’t think the Sens sat there and thought “we can’t have another PP1 guy”. I think it’s more that they thought “if the guy we draft isn’t a PP1 guy, then all things being equal, what makes us a better team?” And they probably think Yak’s skillset (plus handedness) make him a more viable option. You are definitely losing some value in Buium if he’s not playing prime offensive minutes.

Yakemchuk has like 20 more defensive question marks than Buium whose defense isn’t really a question mark. Yakemchuk likely the least moldable defensively after Parekh

 

[Norris4Norris]

I think Yak is more moldable as a two way physical D than someone like Buium or Parekh, who are more pure offensive dmen. And, beyond just player unhappiness, are you really getting proper usage out of players like that in terms of roster construction when you aren’t playing them in ways they can really excel?

Chabot wasn’t an elite 1D. He was a below average/average one. You can accept a lesser role in those circumstances.

I don’t think the Sens sat there and thought “we can’t have another PP1 guy”. I think it’s more that they thought “if the guy we draft isn’t a PP1 guy, then all things being equal, what makes us a better team?” And they probably think Yak’s skillset (plus handedness) make him a more viable option. You are definitely losing some value in Buium if he’s not playing prime offensive minutes.

Buium can skate really well and has amazing situational awareness. These things help him be a top offensive defenceman but these are also the traits that make a great defensive defeneceman as well.

Just look at Sanderson, he has great offensive instincts. But his skating, stickhandling and intelligence make him one of the best defensive defenceman in the league.

Karlsson started off with a bit of a deficiency defensively but as he grew his skating and stickhandling made him a really good defender as well.

Furthermore we should always draft the best player available. The Sens have a history of drafting for size and then the player becomes a bust or not nearly the value of the players left on the board.

 

[GCK]

I was hoping for Buium or Lev but I wanted no part of Dickenson or Parehk.

 

[PlayOn]

Yakemchuk has like 20 more defensive question marks than Buium whose defense isn’t really a question mark. Yakemchuk likely the least moldable defensively after Parekh

I think Buium is going to be a very good defender and he’ll drive play 5v5. It’s not saying anything about his defensive play, so much as his value in the NHL is going to be offense first. He is not the best skater or the biggest guy, so when you take away the offensive opportunities, he’s still good but it’s not like you are getting the same contributions out of him. He’s more valuable to a team that can fully utilize his skillset. If you think Yak has great upside, it’s a more complicated conversation once you consider usage - and we can assume the Sens do feel that way.

I also don’t agree that Yak isn’t moldable. He’s really good defending one on one. I think his situational awareness at times could improve and so can his skating but there’s a lot to work with. I think he’s been better defensively than offensively in the games I watched these playoffs lol.

 

[PlayOn]

Buium can skate really well and has amazing situational awareness. These things help him be a top offensive defenceman but these are also the traits that make a great defensive defeneceman as well.

Just look at Sanderson, he has great offensive instincts. But his skating, stickhandling and intelligence make him one of the best defensive defenceman in the league.

Karlsson started off with a bit of a deficiency defensively but as he grew his skating and stickhandling made him a really good defender as well.

Furthermore we should always draft the best player available. The Sens have a history of drafting for size and then the player becomes a bust or not nearly the value of the players left on the board.

How many polls on this board exist asking if player A vs B vs C is better? How much consensus do you often land upon? There is very rarely only one right pick. Back in the day there were endless arguments about Karlsson vs Pietrangelo vs Doughty and who was better (not at the draft, as NHL players) - at the end of the day, two of those dmen won 2x as their team’s #1, and we all agree we could have won with Karlsson if the team was better. So I don’t get too caught up in who is best.

Beyond that I think teams look for different things and players. I’m not suggesting the Sens thought Yak was a #4 dman at best and Buium an elite #1 and took Yak. They more than likely see Yak as a top pair dman if not a #1 himself. So that’s when you start asking the rest of the questions… I would argue BPA is the player that makes you a better team.

 

[OD99]

two excellent prospects who had impressive D+1 seasons. Calgary and San Jose fans should be happy with those picks.
Both in their U19 seasons so they either make their NHL clubs or go back to Junior .. like Yakemchuk did this year but won't have to next year.
I suppose transferring to the NCAA or going to Europe are also options.

Parekh is with the Flames but hasn't seen action yet as they are trying to get a WC spot .. Chances are he sees some action in their last game if they get eliminated. Should know after tonight's games

Dickinson won't see NHL action this spring. London is likely going to the Mem cup by the way their season has gone.

I am holding out hope for Calgary!

That said, I always like seeing early picks get into games at the end of the year. They seem to play free and having just completed a season, are in peak form.

When training camp rolls around they can seem like different players. More pressure, different level of competition, etc...