GDT: USA-Switzerland, 8:00 p.m Local Time

[Levitate]

montoya had 31 saves last night, that's not indicative of his defense blocking a ton of shots (though they did block quite a few, just not anywhere near 31)

and saying the defense is panicking cuz they have no faith in montoya...complete BS. how do they suffer from a lack of confidence in montoya and completely let him down after he plays great for 2 periods? how does a lack of confidence in your goaltender make you not take your man out in front, giving him 3 or 4 shots against your goalie before he gets the puck over to a wide open man your other defenseman didn't cover? is it lack of confidence in your goalie that makes you blow your coverage in a situation like that?

is it a lack of confidence in your goalie that makes you get beat like a red-headed stepchild off the boards behind the net and let your man walk out in front uncontested?

the US's defense has just looked bad. they're not sharp at all.

and yes i've said montoya isn't at the top of his game, that's obvious, but he's not playing as bad as people want to make him out to be

 

[VOB]

montoya had 31 saves last night, that's not indicative of his defense blocking a ton of shots (though they did block quite a few, just not anywhere near 31)

and saying the defense is panicking cuz they have no faith in montoya...complete BS. how do they suffer from a lack of confidence in montoya and completely let him down after he plays great for 2 periods? how does a lack of confidence in your goaltender make you not take your man out in front, giving him 3 or 4 shots against your goalie before he gets the puck over to a wide open man your other defenseman didn't cover? is it lack of confidence in your goalie that makes you blow your coverage in a situation like that?

is it a lack of confidence in your goalie that makes you get beat like a red-headed stepchild off the boards behind the net and let your man walk out in front uncontested?

the US's defense has just looked bad. they're not sharp at all.

and yes i've said montoya isn't at the top of his game, that's obvious, but he's not playing as bad as people want to make him out to be

Many of those 31 "saves" were from the outside and any goalie could have stopped them. Montoya has failed to make the saves that bail out the D when they do make mistakes and this causes them to be more error prone resulting in complete break downs.


I am not excusing the D core, as they have been very error prone but Montoya's play only makes their situation worse.

 

[Levitate]

Many of those 31 "saves" were from the outside and any goalie could have stopped them. Montoya has failed to make the saves that bail out the D when they do make mistakes and this causes them to be more error prone resulting in complete break downs.

BS

he had to make more than a few saves on shots in close, including more than a few when his D yet again left a man alone in front to get a good shot on goal.

hell i could even turn it around the other way. the D blowing assignments and playing soft has montoya second guessing and not confident in his defenses ability to play effective D, causing him to make mistakes in his goaltending.

 

[pld459666]

is this the wrister

Montoya let in a goal that ECHL goalies could make in their sleep.

Period.

that he didn't see that you are talking about?

just wondering

 

[VOB]

BS

he had to make more than a few saves on shots in close, including more than a few when his D yet again left a man alone in front to get a good shot on goal.

hell i could even turn it around the other way. the D blowing assignments and playing soft has montoya second guessing and not confident in his defenses ability to play effective D, causing him to make mistakes in his goaltending.

If you look at the actual scoring chances, the U.S. had an over 2-1 advantage through the first two periods despite being outshot 21-16. Many of Switzerland's shots were not of the grade A kind! Yes Montoya made a few good saves but isn't that what goalies are suppose to do?!?!?

It is up to the goaltender to be the last line of defense and to bail out his D and that is where Montoya has failed!

 

[pld459666]

totally discounting the fact that Montoya's

Many of those 31 "saves" were from the outside and any goalie could have stopped them. Montoya has failed to make the saves that bail out the D when they do make mistakes and this causes them to be more error prone resulting in complete break downs.


I am not excusing the D core, as they have been very error prone but Montoya's play only makes their situation worse.

play in the 1st 2 periods of last nights game pretty much is the reason for the US team to have a lead going into the 3rd period.

And his play in the 3rd period of the Russian game where he pretty much stopped everything?

We can talk until we are blue in the face about rebounds, but until they actually bite me in arse, it's Montoya's job to stop the puck, the defenceman's job to clear the puck. The bottom line is that coming into this tourney, everyone knew that the US weakness was their defence and they have not dissapointed. They've done a terrible job at supporting their goalie and a different goalie would not have different results, just different guys arguig about why Schneider should be benched for Montoya.

 

[Levitate]

that he didn't see that you are talking about?

just wondering

i think he was talking about the fourth goal that got in between his feet. ugly goal, but i've seen those happen in the NHL too. definatly not a good one but the only goal i can fault him for last night. if that one didn't happen, we probably wouldn't even be discussing montoya's play from last night all that much

 

[RoyIsALegend*]

that he didn't see that you are talking about?

just wondering

The simple shot along the ice from a turned-around Swiss player.

Play with your stick on the ice... it's stuff I teach my two 12 year old goalies I coach. It's simple stuff. Even if you don't see a puck, at least be standing in position with your stick on the ice.

 

[VOB]

play in the 1st 2 periods of last nights game pretty much is the reason for the US team to have a lead going into the 3rd period.

And his play in the 3rd period of the Russian game where he pretty much stopped everything?
.

You mean when both the Russians and Swiss were aiming for his logo?

Sorry but Montoya has been a huge disappointment, just as I had feared.

 

[Levitate]

you know what they say...when shots are hitting a goalie in the logo, that means he's in good position

they were shooting into his logo because he wasn't giving them anything else to shoot out

 

[ATLANTARANGER*]

Your right, there is no way that series should have gone 7 games.

Van was screwed over by the refs in that series BIGTIME or maybe you don't remember the white towel surrender. There's no way it should've gone to 7 games.

The rangers should have swept them in 4! They completely out played them in those 1st 4 games and only McLean's goaltending saved them.

 

[VOB]

you know what they say...when shots are hitting a goalie in the logo, that means he's in good position

they were shooting into his logo because he wasn't giving them anything else to shoot out

Yeah, to bad he has so far proven that he is unable to be "in good position" for an entire 60 minutes!

 

[ATLANTARANGER*]

I've seen Roy & Brodeur let in worst!

Montoya let in a goal that ECHL goalies could make in their sleep.

Period.

So what's the big deal? You can't still be upset that he beat canada last year, could you?

 

[ATLANTARANGER*]

So what you are saying is that goalies like Roy & Brodeur

Many of those 31 "saves" were from the outside and any goalie could have stopped them. Montoya has failed to make the saves that bail out the D when they do make mistakes and this causes them to be more error prone resulting in complete break downs.


I am not excusing the D core, as they have been very error prone but Montoya's play only makes their situation worse.

who have played the majority of their years in front of teams that took a way the front of the net and only allowed outside shots are not as good as their stats indicate?
What matters in a tournament whether it be the WJC or the Stanley Cup is whether you won the game and moved closer to the trophy. I'll take a Montoya as a Gerry Cheevers, Billy Smith, grant Fuhr, Mike Richter type who cares less about the pretty boy stats but comes up big and wins championships.

 

[RoyIsALegend*]

So what's the big deal? You can't still be upset that he beat canada last year, could you?

What the...?

That has nothing to do with this, and I couldn't care less who won. In case you were too thick to notice, I picked the States as my surprise team and I still think they have an incredible squad. Look back to my posts from last week and you'll see that.

The fact is that Al Montoya let in a pitiful goal, and his GAA is out of this world at the moment. To repeat, the Americans will need better.

Simple.

 

[RoyIsALegend*]

I'll take a Montoya as a Gerry Cheevers, Billy Smith, grant Fuhr, Mike Richter type who cares less about the pretty boy stats but comes up big and wins championships.

'Pretty boy stats'?

What; like wins?

Who would these 'pretty boy stat' goalies be, anyhow? Patrick Roy? Martin Brodeur? Ken Dryden? Jacques Plante? Terry Sawchuk?

 

[pld459666]

Then we are talking about 2 different goals

The simple shot along the ice from a turned-around Swiss player.

Play with your stick on the ice... it's stuff I teach my two 12 year old goalies I coach. It's simple stuff. Even if you don't see a puck, at least be standing in position with your stick on the ice.

.

it happens.

 

[Papa Smurf]

I'm watching the encore presentation on ESPN via TSN right now.

Holy crap those ESPN guys never stop talking about 1980! They remind me of myself during the first few months after I "lost it".

 

[Rabid Ranger]

What the...?

That has nothing to do with this, and I couldn't care less who won. In case you were too thick to notice, I picked the States as my surprise team and I still think they have an incredible squad. Look back to my posts from last week and you'll see that.

The fact is that Al Montoya let in a pitiful goal, and his GAA is out of this world at the moment. To repeat, the Americans will need better.

Simple.

I agree with you. If Montoya and the defense don't improve, we're sunk.