GDT: gdt toajojt agintapo apgpoasyers @ capeoijans 7pm (mod warning post #44)

[the halleJOKEL]

the language isnt important

it is the realization of my vision which gives my gdt's their potency

 

[Anton Babchuk]

this doesnt count actually because of mod tampering

it is basically daveg's gdt now

i agree with this

in fact, halejokel should be credited w/ a loss because of the tampering

it's only way to begin to reverse the pain and heal the suffering that daveg has caused

 

[RodTheBawd]

Evidently, he didn't like losing a fight to a rookie.

I actually like vinny on the second one.

You like Vinny in the second one? You mean the one where he literally jumped the kid and threw 4 or 5 shots before he could react? Because he got his ass kicked the first round by a fresh call-up? Vinny is just a ****ing goon at this point.

potentially controversial opinion: liles is actually pretty good and much better than hainsey

He's really come around this season. I wouldn't say he's "much better" than Hainsey, though. Although I don't know if this is one of your meta posts of bits of truth, bits of ********.

 

[Finnish Jerk Train]

the language isnt important

it is the realization of my vision which gives my gdt's their potency

idk.. ur english gdts have a winning percetnage of 0.000. ur gdts in whatever this is are batting 1.000.

again i am right in my analysis. #fancystats

You like Vinny in the second one? You mean the one where he literally jumped the kid and threw 4 or 5 shots before he could react? Because he got his ass kicked the first round by a fresh call-up? Vinny is just a ****ing goon at this point.

Yeah, he deserved 17 minutes for that one. Lowe was pretty aggressive in harassing him before the first fight, but it was no worse than you see on a nightly basis from any of the more physical teams in the league. They said he was disrespected, but I don't see it that way and I'd say the same thing if some kid who's 9th on their depth chart was trying to push one of the Staals out of the crease.

It's a dirty area and you know to expect that when you go there; it doesn't matter how well-respected you are. You'll get bumped, shoved, tripped, tangled up, and crosschecked all night long, but rarely will they call penalties for it. Vinny's been around long enough to know that. If he wants to fight about it, fine, but leave it at that. It wasn't enough to justify going after the guy 10 minutes into the next period, especially since he had already stood up for himself.

He got his jimmies rustled because he picked a fight with a kid playing his first NHL game and got his ass kicked. After that, he was feeling pissed off and embarrassed, so he jumped him as soon as he got a chance. That's all there is to it. The disrespect line is a bunch of BS. If anyone disrespected anyone, Vinny disrespected Lowe by running him down in the neutral zone and whaling on him before he knew he was in a fight.

Edit: To add insult to injury (or is it injury to insult?), apparently all that fighting gave Lecavalier a concussion. Way to go.

 

[tomdundo]

this doesnt count actually because of mod tampering

it is basically daveg's gdt now

Sounds like a valid idea...after all, the title was modified by Dave and therefore he was the last one to touch it. And the last person to touch it gets credit for the GDT, right?


(New rules are fun!)

 

[garnetpalmetto]

Sounds like a valid idea...after all, the title was modified by Dave and therefore he was the last one to touch it. And the last person to touch it gets credit for the GDT, right?


(New rules are fun!)

Oh no, I think hallejokel deserves *all* the credit for this.

 

[the halleJOKEL]

those who hate are going to hate uponst thee

 

[tomdundo]

Oh no, I think hallejokel deserves *all* the credit for this.

I like to consider it in the same light as the "You break it, you buy it" idea at antique shops.

Dave broke the GDT when he had to demand that people be rational, therefore he buys the win that this GDT led to. I mean, the thread title even has his cyber fingerprints on it, so you can't claim he's innocent.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Disappointed they called up Lowe and not Austin Levi. We all know he's the best shutdown defenseman in our system. Just a victim of circumstances is all because he went to a team that values puck movers more than shutdown guys. A shame really.

 

[RodTheBawd]

Disappointed they called up Lowe and not Austin Levi. We all know he's the best shutdown defenseman in our system. Just a victim of circumstances is all because he went to a team that values puck movers more than shutdown guys. A shame really.

Thanks for not making me feel like a loner with my Levi posts

 

[Sens1Canes2]

Disappointed they called up Lowe and not Austin Levi. We all know he's the best shutdown defenseman in our system. Just a victim of circumstances is all because he went to a team that values puck movers more than shutdown guys. A shame really.

I think this was a "favor" game from Francis to Kevin Lowe (they must know each other fairly well). Apparently he was in attendance last night. Not terribly easy to get from Edmonton to Philadelphia, not doing it direct anyway.

 

[tomdundo]

 

[bleedgreen]

Vinny didn't give Lowe a chance to drop the gloves on the second fight. Simply mugged him and rightfully got an instigator for it.

Lowe had backed off at least a couple of other guys who tried to go with him, the flyers wre clearly annoyed the rookie had gone after vinny. After trying to avoid what they had tried to do, vinny caught him on his own and fought his own battle. I like that. Don't have other guys fight your battles. He probably thought Lowe knew it was coming. I knew it was coming and I was eating pizza on my couch.

Just because Lowe swung a lot hardly means he "won". He had an old man dead to rights, literally and vinny barely buckled with any of them. I get standing up for our rookie but it's a little hard in this one. He cross checked vinny pretty hard, vinny looks up to say wtf and Lowe gives him a couple of more stick shoves close to the chops. He was definitely being a little over aggressive. That's fine in your first game, or any game but it's going to get a reaction. Especially when youre an unknown. I expected there to be more to it after the first one, you guys seriously didn't?

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Lowe had backed off at least a couple of other guys who tried to go with him, the flyers wre clearly annoyed the rookie had gone after vinny. After trying to avoid what they had tried to do, vinny caught him on his own and fought his own battle. I like that. Don't have other guys fight your battles. He probably thought Lowe knew it was coming. I knew it was coming and I was eating pizza on my couch.

Just because Lowe swung a lot hardly means he "won". He had an old man dead to rights, literally and vinny barely buckled with any of them. I get standing up for our rookie but it's a little hard in this one. He cross checked vinny pretty hard, vinny looks up to say wtf and Lowe gives him a couple of more stick shoves close to the chops. He was definitely being a little over aggressive. That's fine in your first game, or any game but it's going to get a reaction. Especially when youre an unknown. I expected there to be more to it after the first one, you guys seriously didn't?

While I agree with most of what you said Bleed, I don't think that cross check was any different than any physical defenseman does in the league dozens of times a game. The charmin soft Canes get cleared out with cross checks like that all the time and do nothing about it. The fact that it was a rookie vs. a vet is partly what Vinny was reacting to.

I don't blame Vinny for going after him, in fact I liked it, as that's what I would have wanted a vet on our team to do (in both cases). Intimidation and sending a message is still part of the game.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

I expected Vinny (or one of the Flyers) to fight Lowe again. However, the key word there is "fight". Vinny didn't do that. He knocked Lowe over (legally), then started wailing on him when Lowe was getting up. You can actually see in the replay that Lowe didn't remove the gloves until Lecavalier already had a good 3-4 punches in.



That's jumping on an unprepared player just because he lost the first fight.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Meh, we are over analyzing it. That might have been the best chance Vinny had to take him on so he took it.

 

[bleedgreen]

That's kinda how I saw it. He only gets a chance or two to grab the kid, and the kid had ducked everyone else. Grabbed him and made sure it happened. I'd put money on it that vinny thought the kid would be more ready or down to go quicker. He probably thought he had to throw quick because that's how Lowe was likely going to come back.

I agree that cross check happens frequently, but I also agree we dont react to it. We're not used to seeing our vets not take that, and from his teammates being angry he had to. We neither throw the hits that get that reaction, nor have the team that reacts like other teams do when it happens. Which to me is why incidents like this stand out. I like that Lowe wants to be that presence, we certainly need it. He should be ready to get that reaction though.

 

[Finnish Jerk Train]

While I agree with most of what you said Bleed, I don't think that cross check was any different than any physical defenseman does in the league dozens of times a game. The charmin soft Canes get cleared out with cross checks like that all the time and do nothing about it. The fact that it was a rookie vs. a vet is partly what Vinny was reacting to.

I don't blame Vinny for going after him, in fact I liked it, as that's what I would have wanted a vet on our team to do (in both cases). Intimidation and sending a message is still part of the game.

This is what it boils down to for me. Lowe wasn't particularly vicious in trying to clear Lecavalier from the crease, but at the same time, I had no issue the ensuing fight because sometimes confrontations boil over. I actually don't mind the fact that he wanted another shot later; it wasn't the first time that's happened and it won't be the last. He's certainly within his rights to try and send a message, especially since he lost badly the first time he tried.

My issue is with the way he went about it. If he wanted another go at him, it's easy enough to cross paths with a guy and look him in the eye before you drop the gloves. It's different when you run him down in the middle of play in the neutral zone and start swinging before he realizes he's in a fight. If you look at the angle from along the boards (start at about 0:52), Vinny took his first shot when Lowe had his back turned and was still playing the puck (from his knees, no less). That's a goon move in my opinion - he should have at least given him time to square up before he started swinging.

 

[RodTheBawd]

Yeah, I have no issue with Vinny wanting to go again. I take issue with him throwing cheap shots. Nothing about that first fight was cheap. Lowe was a little aggressive in front, Vinny took exception, they both knew what was up, then Lowe proceeded to **** him up. I find it odd that bleed is saying he barely buckled and his punches didn't do ****, considering they're thinking Vinny suffered a concussion, most likely from that fight. **** Vinny, don't defend that ********.

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

I saw the Kings going through Customs when I was leaving the airport last nite.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

I saw the Kings going through Customs when I was leaving the airport last nite.

Did you throw rotten fruit at them and say "That was courtesy of Canes fans everywhere!"

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

Did you throw rotten fruit at them and say "That was courtesy of Canes fans everywhere!"

No, but I did happen to be wearing my Tim Gleason jersey and gave them a look of haughty derision while popping the crest

 

[the halleJOKEL]

do you just wear hockey jerseys all the time or something?

 

[tarheelhockey]

The only issue that I have with the Vinny/Lowe thing is that Lowe was the quick round of sucker punches at the beginning. At least give the guy the time to finish playing the puck and get his gloves off before throwing at him, that's pretty simple hockey code.

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

do you just wear hockey jerseys all the time or something?

on #hcanes game days and other important events (#draftday etc) yes

add me on fb and we can discuss it further.