GDT: Red vs White Game - Started at Noon

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[MBH]

Tyutayev continues to impress.

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

I'm sure he'll adjust, but Seider does look a bit behind the pace today imo.

 

[MBH]

Bert shooting after the buzzer

WTF? Why did the buzzer go, and then go again 30 seconds later?

Looks like they're just running powerplays, etc

 

[MBH]

I wish they'd stfu and call the game

 

[Christien]

Tyutyayev has been really impressive

 

[MBH]

Hirose playing like he belongs on the team.

 

[MBH]

Man, Seider got torched by Suter there.

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

Hirose playing like he belongs on the team.

I wish we'd have let him play more through his slumps these last two years. Athletically he's pretty limited but he's one of the few creative players in the organization, and I feel like he should've gotten a better chance in a middle six role while we floundered these past couple seasons.

 

[MBH]

Raymond gets the GWG in the shootout.

Players who impressed:
* Stephens
* Hirose
* Tyutyayev
* Brattstrom
* Fabbri

 

[Shaman464]

I wish we'd have let him play more through his slumps these last two years. Athletically he's pretty limited but he's one of the few creative players in the organization, and I feel like he should've gotten a better chance in a middle six role while we floundered these past couple seasons.

Every chance he gets he shows he's mostly a liability at the NHL level. He's a guy that looks good in camp/exhibition/the AHL, but just doesn't have the toolbox to put it together at the NHL level.

 

[Dotter]

Seider got walked. Wasn't expecting that.

 

[ArmChairGM89]

This is a tough setting for seider. There are situations where he would get very aggressive in a normal setting, here he has to do things he’s not comfortable with considering they are his teammates.

 

[Gniwder]

Every chance he gets he shows he's mostly a liability at the NHL level. He's a guy that looks good in camp/exhibition/the AHL, but just doesn't have the toolbox to put it together at the NHL level.

It's not a toolbox issue, he simply doesn't have the size. Soft and undersized players like Hirose and Tyut are going to look good in scrimmages and preseason games where things aren't going to get real physical. Come regular season, the opponents are gonna put them on their asses whenever they touch the puck. Teams literally started running over Hirose, that's why he got sent down.

 

[ShanahanMan]

And just like that, finally everyone’s expectations of Seider have come back down to earth.

 

[Shaman464]

It's not a toolbox issue, he simply doesn't have the size. Soft and undersized players like Hirose and Tyut are going to look good in scrimmages and preseason games where things aren't going to get real physical. Come regular season, the opponents are gonna put them on their asses whenever they touch the puck. Teams literally started running over Hirose, that's why he got sent down.

Its not even about size, he's about the same size as Brayden Point. Its that he isn't fast enough/doesn't see the game well enough to put together his tools. 5'10''/175 isn't inherently a bad size for the NHL.

 

[RayMoonDoh]

And just like that, finally everyone’s expectations of Seider have come back down to earth.

Sarcasm?

 

[Dotter]

And just like that, finally everyone’s expectations of Seider have come back down to earth.

I think EVERYONE knows what he's capable of. One scrimmage isn't going to change that.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Seider is simply limiting his power level so others can try to get spots on the team

 

[Fil Larkmanthanasiou]

It's not a toolbox issue, he simply doesn't have the size. Soft and undersized players like Hirose and Tyut are going to look good in scrimmages and preseason games where things aren't going to get real physical. Come regular season, the opponents are gonna put them on their asses whenever they touch the puck. Teams literally started running over Hirose, that's why he got sent down.

It's bullshit anyway. He was one of the best players on the team (I know that's not saying much) in some of the few games he played on the Wings last season.

 

[Fil Larkmanthanasiou]

Seider is simply limiting his power level so others can try to get spots on the team

He can't really play his game against teammates.

 

[Pavels Dog]

I'm sure he'll adjust, but Seider does look a bit behind the pace today imo.

Can't agree that there's a pace issue. Easily controls gaps, gets to dump-ins and solves forechecks, made plays on the offensive blueline etc.
He just didn't seem fully dialed in, which he doesn't need to be yet. I'm not sure I would say any of the other NHL guys were great either.

 

[Gniwder]

Its not even about size, he's about the same size as Brayden Point. Its that he isn't fast enough/doesn't see the game well enough to put together his tools. 5'10''/175 isn't inherently a bad size for the NHL.

He's 162 and Point is 183. That extra 20 pounds is a huge difference. Hirose got abused in his last NHL stint.

Agree he's below average speed with below average puck handling skills. He sees the ice really well and makes some sweet passes. I don't think that's good enough for the NHL even as a PP specialist. But what you just said is that he doesn't have tools, not the toolbox.

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

Can't agree that there's a pace issue. Easily controls gaps, gets to dump-ins and solves forechecks, made plays on the offensive blueline etc.
He just didn't seem fully dialed in, which he doesn't need to be yet. I'm not sure I would say any of the other NHL guys were great either.

Eh, not being "fully dialed in" is pretty vague though, I thought he clearly struggled with the speed and intensity of NHL forecheckers today. It's tough to say he "easily controls gaps" when Suter walked him off the half wall today and scored. If that were Cholowski for example everyone would roll their eyes and say "typical."

It's fine, Seider's a great prospect and it's just one scrimmage. But I'm not sure why people have such a tough time admitting that Seider might not be this perfectly-polished player at twenty years old.

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

Everybody has to adjust to the NHL level and pace. Everybody.

Except Henrik Zetterberg.