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GDT: GDT #71 New York Islanders vs Vancouver Canucks | March 26th | 7:30 PM | F/L 5-2

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Green said:
A competent GM would see the writing on the wall and see he still has value, he isn't exactly young and there is no chance he is going to win a cup on this team and try to trade him but our GM is not interested putting this team in a best position to win and our owners are probably plotting to sell the team once the construction is done so they also don't care about the Cup thing
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Please stop. He isnt nor should he be trading sorokin.
 
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MikeyMike01 said:
An empty bell rings loudest.

Sorokin blew this game, this one specific game, and that’s all I have to say about him at this time.

People upset about draft position need to get a grip. There’s close to no difference between drafting 12th and 16th. This isn’t the NFL.
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Yep he was terrible tonight. He isnt going anywhere despite how much people love their draft picks
 
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SI90 said:
Pageau back out with the broken nose.

LeBron James would have been sidelined for 3-4 months
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It's laudable and all, and a great part of hockey culture, but the truth is you can barely see after a shot to the nose like that. You're eyes are watering, your nose is running and you can't breathe. Most of the time when a guy comes out after something like that it is more for the optics than to actually be effective.
 
Of the list of problems with this team, Sorokin is pretty far down the list; partly because the team has so many problems. For me, he’s like Barzal and Horvat - very good players but probably overpaid by 2 million. I think he’s a very good goalie but not in the top tier, he’s a tad inconsistent and doesn’t seem to come through in big moments, and he’s well below average in the shootout. He was replaced last year by Varlamov as the starter, after playing just ok in the playoffs the year before. This year he’s been up and down. I’d like to see more from a 9 million dollar starter.
Whether he should be traded depends on your general view of whether the team needs a full rebuild or not. If you think the team needs a 4-5 year rebuild, then trading Sorokin is a no-brainer, and the sooner the better; if you think they can be competitive next year or the year after, it probably doesn’t make a lot of sense to move him.
 
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Welp....cashed in after the 4th goal and puck to Pag's face....that was brutal....as was the puck to Pag's face...he's gonna be feeling that one for a while.

This team is just not an NHL team at this point. None of our top two lines are close to legit top two lines...might be able to assemble a solid third from them combined...we have no finishers and we have basically two 4th lines, at best, who....credit due....are playing well enough but one really only needs one of them if you are a true NHL team. Add to that veteran defensemen who either really have no clue how to properly cover and/or communicate on the ice, or who are just not able to anymore.

Yes, i would rather my team play games that mean something this time of year than to be Buffalo and i truly believe they are giving it their all....but their all does not add up to much on the NHL scale as they are now.

There is a lot of work to do come the summer.....better get done.
 
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Strummergas said:
What exactly are you trying to influence? Even if there was consensus on this board, it would have zero effect on the team.

You should be using your time and energy more productively; like making sure your meds are up to date.
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It's an outlet, sorry you have little intelligence but it is one of the few outlets fans have outside of social media
 
Strummergas said:
What exactly are you trying to influence? Even if there was consensus on this board, it would have zero effect on the team.

You should be using your time and energy more productively; like making sure your meds are up to date.
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You've posted more than 15000 times and you're giving someone else shit using their time and energy more productively?? And you're worrying about someone else's meds?
 
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Run It Back said:
You've posted more than 15000 times and you're giving someone else shit using their time and energy more productively?? And you're worrying about someone else's meds?
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Considering I've been on this site for 19 years, I haven't really posted all that frequently, now have I?

I'm also not posting in order to influence anyone for inconsequential reasons.
 
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Sorokin:
I'm counting 19 games now this season where he's given up 4 or more goals.

Is it actually 20?

Pelech:
I am surely one of those who most appreciates his overall game and what he brings, but he was brutally bad on that Blueger goal (which was the nail in the coffin). Had no business stopping on the blueline there and then was robbed like a baby by Garland on a puck that should have simply been swept out of the zone.

In general, this game clearly showed a number of weaknesses that I just can't see it overcoming down the stretch.

I'd be happy to be surprised otherwise, but this upcoming weekend could mark the swoon. Back-to-back games on the road against teams that can move the puck and will generally outwork you.

The Isles will likely face the back-ups though.

PS) Did the 4th line play after that 3rd goal against last night? Don't recall seeing Tsyplakov again after that.
 
Strummergas said:
Considering I've been on this site for 19 years, I haven't really posted all that frequently, now have I?

I'm also not posting in order to influence anyone for inconsequential reasons.
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820 times a year. Yeah, that's measured alright. And you're kidding yourself if you think your purpose is not to "influence anyone". That is the only reason anyone is here, to influence opinion. As for it's consequence, it's a pastime, your role in which is to observe it, that is, you do not participate in it directly, which pretty much defines inconsequential.
 
Chapin Landvogt said:
Sorokin:
I'm counting 19 games now this season where he's given up 4 or more goals.

Is it actually 20?

Pelech:
I am surely one of those who most appreciates his overall game and what he brings, but he was brutally bad on that Blueger goal (which was the nail in the coffin). Had no business stopping on the blueline there and then was robbed like a baby by Garland on a puck that should have simply been swept out of the zone.

In general, this game clearly showed a number of weaknesses that I just can't see it overcoming down the stretch.

I'd be happy to be surprised otherwise, but this upcoming weekend could mark the swoon. Back-to-back games on the road against teams that can move the puck and will generally outwork you.

The Isles will likely face the back-ups though.

PS) Did the 4th line play after that 3rd goal against last night? Don't recall seeing Tsyplakov again after that.
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I really don’t like 8 yr/long term contracts…I just feel like guys check out slightly and lose a bit of an edge. Maybe 1 or 2 but it feels like the whole team is on long term deals.

Interesting listening to Clutter talk about details and the runs under Barry. Couldn’t agree more. Eberle said something similar in an interview years ago. Margins in the NHL are razor thin. Mistake here or there can be the difference.
 
Sorokin is a slightly above average NHL goalie. That is what he is, his numbers would look a heck of a lot better if the team in front of him was half decent, just like most goalies in the NHL. He is not a top end goaltender though.
 
Run It Back said:
820 times a year. Yeah, that's measured alright. And you're kidding yourself if you think your purpose is not to "influence anyone". That is the only reason anyone is here, to influence opinion. As for it's consequence, it's a pastime, your role in which is to observe it, that is, you do not participate in it directly, which pretty much defines inconsequential.
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Yes, that's an average. But it does not necessarily indicate the rate at which I currently post. Two decades ago, I was younger and had more time on my hands. In any case, while I agree that posting anything here isn't the most effective use of one's time, the act of trying to influence anyone on these boards is what was being pointed out as inconsequential, not the frequency of which one posts.

And influence is the ONLY reason to post here? Really? Shit, I've been doing it wrong this whole time...

I think "passive" is a better way to describe the pastime of watching hockey games as the observer knows (or should know) that the act of watching has no bearing on the outcome on the game. Posting in order to gain influence over a population that is engaging in a passive act is inconsequential in that the intent is to cause something to happen, but will ultimately result in nothing actually happening.
 
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Chapin Landvogt said:
Sorokin:
I'm counting 19 games now this season where he's given up 4 or more goals.

Is it actually 20?

Pelech:
I am surely one of those who most appreciates his overall game and what he brings, but he was brutally bad on that Blueger goal (which was the nail in the coffin). Had no business stopping on the blueline there and then was robbed like a baby by Garland on a puck that should have simply been swept out of the zone.

In general, this game clearly showed a number of weaknesses that I just can't see it overcoming down the stretch.

I'd be happy to be surprised otherwise, but this upcoming weekend could mark the swoon. Back-to-back games on the road against teams that can move the puck and will generally outwork you.

The Isles will likely face the back-ups though.

PS) Did the 4th line play after that 3rd goal against last night? Don't recall seeing Tsyplakov again after that.
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This is it exactly. Most Isles fans recognize Pelech’s unfortunate regression - most of the time he still looks very good, but is makes egregious mistakes that cost the team. He should probably be moved in the offseason, but I am not sure there would be a taker for his contract, and there are no other options there.
As for Sorokin, it seems that there are quite a few Isles fans who seem unable to accept the fact that Sorokin has not been great this year or last. He’s not been bad, but not great - and he’s paid to be great. With seven years left on a contract that pays him to be one of the best G in the league, I don’t understand why people don’t see this a problem. Do the Isles have bigger problems - for sure, but to pretend that Sorokin’s play the past two seasons is not a little bit concerning seems odd. From an age/contract/perfomance standpoint, and with an eye to the future of this team, if you’re not a little concerned about Sorokin, then you’re willfully blind.
 
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Chockey22 said:
This is it exactly. Most Isles fans recognize Pelech’s unfortunate regression - most of the time he still looks very good, but is makes egregious mistakes that cost the team. He should probably be moved in the offseason, but I am not sure there would be a taker for his contract, and there are no other options there.
As for Sorokin, it seems that there are quite a few Isles fans who seem unable to accept the fact that Sorokin has not been great this year or last. He’s not been bad, but not great - and he’s paid to be great. With seven years left on a contract that pays him to be one of the best G in the league, I don’t understand why people don’t see this a problem. Do the Isles have bigger problems - for sure, but to pretend that Sorokin’s play the past two seasons is not a little bit concerning seems odd. From an age/contract/perfomance standpoint, and with an eye to the future of this team, if you’re not a little concerned about Sorokin, then you’re willfully blind.
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Barry Trotz made a lot of goalies look better than they were.
 
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Chapin Landvogt said:
Pelech:
I am surely one of those who most appreciates his overall game and what he brings, but he was brutally bad on that Blueger goal (which was the nail in the coffin). Had no business stopping on the blueline there and then was robbed like a baby by Garland on a puck that should have simply been swept out of the zone.
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duster19 said:
Interesting listening to Clutter talk about details and the runs under Barry. Couldn’t agree more. Eberle said something similar in an interview years ago. Margins in the NHL are razor thin. Mistake here or there can be the difference.
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I appreciate that Roy is trying to improve puck movement and especially breakouts, but this roster is better suited to a simpler game. And I wonder, even if he had the right roster, would he get them to own the details enough? They give up a ton of goals after a puck should've easily exited their zone. Turnovers in the neutral zone or at the opposing blueline. Failure to get the puck deep.

This is why I'm in favor of a total house-cleaning, including the coach.
 
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