GDT: GDT #10 New York Islanders @ Columbus Blue Jackets| October 30th | 7:00 PM | F/L 2-0

[PhysicalGraffiti]

duclair was not the difference between this team being a winning team. His injury is largely irrelevant when a team is this flawed.

I do think some of the other players are just playing like shit and they aren't as bad as they're playing.

That being said the depth is not good and secondary scoring isn't there to supplement the lack of primary scoring.

I'm too much of a fan of Nelson and Palms to trade them, but that's why I"m not a GM. I know they're older than what we need, but I want to believe we can retool around them. I think objectively they've both been very good, Palms when healthy, and could be part of winning.

Baseball sucks. Hockey sucks. Time to get into another sport.

 

[NC 1972]

Is it possible that the Islanders win both the Draft Lottery and the Vezina trophy in the same year?

 

[crashthenet]

And possibly led by a $9M ineffective Talent. A guy with two goals in 10 games, one was an empty netter with the team already up by 2 against a team in disarray and the other when the Isles were down by 2 in the third period to a team in a rebuild.

Way to step it up Matty Boy! Show us the way … he’s only 222nd in the NHL in points.

What a winner here. Maybe he should get an A on his chest, maybe that’s the missing piece.

Could be traded- for what though? Wouldn't break my heart.

Perhaps having a team with 6 or 7 centers is a mistake.

I really did think Lambert was the culprit here but...

0-3 without Romanov

Nelson gets some heat from some but his line is typically our best.

Roy wants to be the man set up little lord fancy pants to center the 3rd line. Put JGP and Lee with Horvat.

 

[seafoam]

The rational approach, I see.

It’s just a 10 game analysis.

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

Every deal that Lou makes only pushes back the timeline of when this team can be Cup contenders again.

Lou is lost. Totally lost. It was Trotz that covered up some big holes not only in the roster, but in the front office as well.

Now Lou is exposed for the average (at best) GM that he is. The only thing that can stop the bleeding is getting him out of the organization entirely. No "advitory" role or anyting - Totally f***ing removed.

I'm with you on getting rid of Lou now and praising Trotz for squeezing blood from the stone that is this roster, but we should give those teams credit as they were constructed AT THE TIME.
The core of those teams being between 25-30yo and supplemented with steady vets (Greene, Boychuk, Zajac, Leo) was the correct approach to roster construction considering the coach and the goaltending.

Problem is, the 2024 roster is composed of 80ish% of the teams who made the back to back ECF runs. That is 4 and 3 years ago, and these players have aged accordingly. I think that is the core issue, believing that this group of players is the same that they were 3 & 4 years ago which is compounded by the fact that the Coach is no longer here.
That belief is insanity to me...not like they were Elite players to begin with who can continue their greatness into their late 30's (Crosby, Ovi, Malkin, Stamkos, Kopitar).

Every time I heard "the game has passed Lou by" I kinda rolled my eyes, because I don't think he is an idiot who can't see how the game has changed. But now I'm buying into that the GM game has passed him by because of his inability to adapt to what is needed on his roster.

I compare it to Nick Saban who was the biggest proponent of "old-time" Power-I running game with a steady QB and great defense to win games. I'm sure he fought the new wave of mobile-dynamic QB's in a spread offense, but he dove in headfirst and hired Lane Kiffin. He then went out and recruited guys like Jalen Hurts, Tua, Jalen Milroe and had high flying offenses with uber-talented WR's.

HE ADAPTED. Lou has shone that he cannot (maybe a better word is WILL NOT).

 

[MJF]

I'm with you on getting rid of Lou now and praising Trotz for squeezing blood from the stone that is this roster, but we should give those teams credit as they were constructed AT THE TIME.
The core of those teams being between 25-30yo and supplemented with steady vets (Greene, Boychuk, Zajac, Leo) was the correct approach to roster construction considering the coach and the goaltending.

Problem is, the 2024 roster is composed of 80ish% of the teams who made the back to back ECF runs. That is 4 and 3 years ago, and these players have aged accordingly. I think that is the core issue, believing that this group of players is the same that they were 3 & 4 years ago which is compounded by the fact that the Coach is no longer here.
That belief is insanity to me...not like they were Elite players to begin with who can continue their greatness into their late 30's (Crosby, Ovi, Malkin, Stamkos, Kopitar).

Every time I heard "the game has passed Lou by" I kinda rolled my eyes, because I don't think he is an idiot who can't see how the game has changed. But now I'm buying into that the GM game has passed him by because of his inability to adapt to what is needed on his roster.

I compare it to Nick Saban who was the biggest proponent of "old-time" Power-I running game with a steady QB and great defense to win games. I'm sure he fought the new wave of mobile-dynamic QB's in a spread offense, but he dove in headfirst and hired Lane Kiffin. He then went out and recruited guys like Jalen Hurts, Tua, Jalen Milroe and had high flying offenses with uber-talented WR's.

HE ADAPTED. Lou has shone that he cannot (maybe a better word is WILL NOT).

It's like being a ground and pound team in today's NFL, a league that is all about prioritizing the QB and the air game.

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

It's like being a ground and pound team in today's NFL, a league that is all about prioritizing the QB and the air game.

Sure, but there are ways to success while being a ground and pound team, you just need a solid defensive roster. Plus, you need a coach that caters to that style of play. You can zig while others zag and be successful, but the ingredients all have to add up.

And I will praise Lou for surrounding Trotz with the proper roster for Trotz to excel. That worked for 3 seasons (loss to CAR in 2nd round and the two TBL ECF losses. Once Trotz failed to make the playoffs and left the team, that was it. Either the league caught up with what Trotz-NYI were doing, or the players couldn't keep up with the Trotz pace...

In May 2022, the Trotz era and Trotz roster ended and Lou needed (and failed) to recognize that.

 

[MJF]

Sure, but there are ways to success while being a ground and pound team, you just need a solid defensive roster. Plus, you need a coach that caters to that style of play. You can zig while others zag and be successful, but the ingredients all have to add up.

And I will praise Lou for surrounding Trotz with the proper roster for Trotz to excel. That worked for 3 seasons (loss to CAR in 2nd round and the two TBL ECF losses. Once Trotz failed to make the playoffs and left the team, that was it. Either the league caught up with what Trotz-NYI were doing, or the players couldn't keep up with the Trotz pace...

In May 2022, the Trotz era and Trotz roster ended and Lou needed (and failed) to recognize that.

Most of Lou’s ingredients are past their expiration date. And the others he cheaped out on by buying generics instead of top grade ingredients.

Buy cheap, buy twice.

 

[Rehabguy]

Most of Lou’s ingredients are past their expiration date. And the others he cheaped out on by buying generics instead of top grade ingredients.

Buy cheap, buy twice.

He mortgaged the future for 2 ECF appearances. That's bad management any way you look at it.

 

[The Real JT]

While I agree with many of the posts regarding management (Lou) let’s not forget that the players are underperforming.

One of Cizikas or Pageau should’ve been traded at least one season ago while they had value. Holmstrom still has some potential I suppose but he’s underwhelming to be kind. His shorthanded goals last season couldn’t cover up the fact that the PK sucks and yesteryear’s PK stars (Cizikas and Pageau) are now PK liabilities rather than assets.

Dobson? He’s soft as butter and while he has offensive skills that are sorely lacking on this squad, I shudder to imagine a world in which we sign him long term to big money.

There is not enough time to comment on the other laggards on this team. That’s for another day and another rant.

 

[Thrasymachus]

burn it down boys

 

[MJF]

While I agree with many of the posts regarding management (Lou) let’s not forget that the players are underperforming.

One of Cizikas or Pageau should’ve been traded at least one season ago while they had value. Holmstrom still has some potential I suppose but he’s underwhelming to be kind. His shorthanded goals last season couldn’t cover up the fact that the PK sucks and yesteryear’s PK stars (Cizikas and Pageau) are now PK liabilities rather than assets.

Dobson? He’s soft as butter and while he has offensive skills that are sorely lacking on this squad, I shudder to imagine a world in which we sign him long term to big money.

There is not enough time to comment on the other laggards on this team. That’s for another day and another rant.

The only ones I see as underperforming are Dobson and Horvat. The majority of these guys are giving us around what they should do when you factor in age and ability. There’s a body of work to back this up.

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

He mortgaged the future for 2 ECF appearances. That's bad management any way you look at it.

Completely disagree. He took shots during that season and they panned out only to be stopped by a modern-day dynasty. At the time, JGP and Palms were perfect complimentary pieces in an attempt to get them over the top.

I'm with you on the Engvall and Horvat moves being bad considering where the team was/is headed.

 

[Lame Lambert]

He mortgaged the future for 2 ECF appearances. That's bad management any way you look at it.

Hard disagree. Those were the years to go for the Horvat-type trade and he chickened out and took a half measure. He then made the Horvat trade too late, because when you have time, you waste it.

 

[Throttle]

Hard disagree. Those were the years to go for the Horvat-type trade and he chickened out and took a half measure. He then made the Horvat trade too late, because when you have time, you waste it.

Or the trade just wasn’t there? The Horvat trade came out of a contract dispute.

 

[Lame Lambert]

Or the trade just wasn’t there? The Horvat trade came out of a contract dispute.

Someone better is always available for a price.

 

[periferal]

I'm with you on getting rid of Lou now and praising Trotz for squeezing blood from the stone that is this roster, but we should give those teams credit as they were constructed AT THE TIME.

Just remember...Those rosters that made those runs 5 years ago were basically totally constructed by Snow. Consider that and realize that Lou really is not needed - Like at all.

 

[Richie Daggers Crime]

It's like being a ground and pound team in today's NFL, a league that is all about prioritizing the QB and the air game.

You can be whatever type of team you want and still be successful. The issue is that Lou lost the plot and started going in different directions. The unified front of the team that existed 3-4 years ago is non-existent now. It's a mess.

Just remember...Those rosters that made those runs 5 years ago were basically totally constructed by Snow.

Oh it's this insanity again.

 

[Rehabguy]

Hard disagree. Those were the years to go for the Horvat-type trade and he chickened out and took a half measure. He then made the Horvat trade too late, because when you have time, you waste it.

That's if there was a Horvat-type trade available at that time and if all parties involved would bite. Those are two big ifs.

 

[crashthenet]

He mortgaged the future for 2 ECF appearances. That's bad management any way you look at it.

A boneheaded Bailey play and a goal away from playing the Habs for the cup. Just sayin