GDT: Game 8/82 Blues @ Leafs 6PM CST FDSNMW

Reality Czech

Registered User
Apr 17, 2017
5,724
9,293
Kyrou haters punching air right now.

Not sure how many actual Kyrou "haters" there are but he played a hell of a game and really stepped up. If he played like that every game then he'd have no haters. Awesome game from him. All of our big boys stepped up, Kyrou, Buch, Parayko and Binnington, who looked like he was seeing the game in slow motion.

I'd actually say the whole team played pretty well and I like the way they are coming together. Texier looks like a brilliant pickup and Saad has been great since he came back from daddy duty. Obviously, Holloway and Broberg made impacts and I actually thought Perunovich looked pretty good considering he hadn't played all year. Yeah his pair was on the ice for the goal against, which was kind of fluky as it hit off Joseph in front. But Perunovich looked like he wants to stay in the lineup and he showed me enough to give him another game.

That was a fun game to watch!
 
  • Like
Reactions: Bye Bye Blueston

PocketNines

Cutter's Way
Apr 29, 2004
13,752
5,822
Badlands
Kyrou haters punching air right now.
some are.

some who have harshly criticized his previous criticism-worthy efforts are focused on the results and not an agenda.

for some, the only agenda has ever been the Blues winning the championship and preparing to beat the second, third, fourth, fifth etc. best hockey teams in the world to do that
 
  • Like
Reactions: Fez Whatley

PocketNines

Cutter's Way
Apr 29, 2004
13,752
5,822
Badlands
I was at the game tonight, I went to Toronto for my 40th and saw the HHoF and went to this game, among other things. Probably my first "live" Blues hockey game in five years. A couple of thoughts, starting with the D and then moving to forwards:

1. Broberg looks even better in person. I thought the knock on him was his IQ was low - that was not what I saw at all. When he had time, he made a nice play. When he didn't, he made a smart, simple play. I was really impressed with him overall. Very interested to see how he grows over the course of the season.

2. Faulk - Faulk was maybe the most frustrating top 4 D to watch. His puck skills are below average and his IQ is f***ing terrible. I HIGHLY disagree with that game score card thingy someone posted earlier. He gets caught in-between CONSTANTLY and it's very frustrating to watch. There were multiple times when he didn't decide if he wanted to step up or back up - his penalty was 100% a direct result of this. He made multiple egregious turnovers that Binner had to stop. He was by far our worst top 4 d-man tonight.

3. Parayko - The man simply eats ice. The only issue I have with him is in-zone PK. On the zone entry, he's a beast. But once the puck gets into the zone, the dude plays like he's 5'8". He plays extremely small, he needs to watch video of Jay-Bo on the PK from like 2016-2020 and watch how he lays out as well as uses the full length of his stick to maximize his surface coverage. We gave up a couple of grade A chances on the PK b/c he stands upright and uses basically only his blade to try and stop passes.

4. Suter - I really liked Suter's game. The dude clearly knows how to defend at the NHL level. I wish he was about 6 years younger, and then I'd have a ton of confidence in our D-core.

5. Peru/Joseph - Peru is terrible, and Joseph isn't good enough to cover for him. Peru just ain't it fam.

Forwards:

6. Schenn - Wow this dude sucks with the puck. Like legit is a f***ing dumpster fire when the puck is on his stick. Made so many bonehead ass plays that would get a kid like Bolduc stapled to the pine. Has legit no business being in the top 6 of a contender. I do not agree at all with whatever advanced stats that card thingy posted earlier says, Schenn was terrible tonight.

7. Joseph and Holloway - loved these two tonight. They both have great wheels and the motor to run them. They are the type of guys that we will need to lean on this year while we figure out how to find more overall talent.

8. Kyrou - I have never watched Kyrou in person before, but now I get what people talk about with the floating and the lack of effort. He had a really good overall game, but man is it hard to watch this guy and not think that there's a whole 'nother level he could hit if he simply had the motor. Ah well, guess we'll simply have to accept the 85 point winger he is, and not the dominant 100+ point winger he might be.

This game looks lopsided on the scoresheet, but frankly, I think the Leafs were the better team. We capitalized on our chances and the Leafs didn't. Binner played outstanding and we found a way to pot a couple goals unexpectedly.

Anyway, that's all I got for this one. Very fun finally seeing a game live for the first time in many years, and I was -not- expecting that outcome lol.

Cheers.
Happy 40th congrats on entering the HHoF! I saw the game breakdown the same way. The extra frustrating thing for the Leafs was they probably were the better team. But the Blues were determined from puck drop, they knew Berube was over there. Binnington binningtonned them in the first and that's the Blues formula for success, goalie their opponents and get the lead. They tried to do this last year but it didn't work often because the Blues weren't fast enough but now they are.
 
  • Like
Reactions: BadgersandBlues

TheOrganist

Don't Call Him Alex
Feb 21, 2006
4,159
1,646
I respect Badgers opinion but don't agree with some of those takes either...I think Kyrou has been pretty engaged this year...not sure how you were at the game live and didn't come away impressed with they way in which he hunted the puck and created the turnover which led directly to the Texier goal. His game has matured as Tarasenko's did over time...and offensively, Tarasenko peaked at 82 points in the reg. season so this "I'm disappointed he's not going to be a 100 point player" expectations needs to be relaxed a bit....Faulk is another one who has flaws but is definitely a legit top 4 defenseman on a good team when healthy.
 

Brian39

Registered User
Apr 24, 2014
7,541
14,156
I think Bannister deserves a ton of credit for last night. 1st game without Thomas and he put together a lineup capable of rolling 4 lines while putting together a line that outplayed a damn good 1st line head-to-head. Dylan Holloway led all forwards with just 17:40 in ice time. No one else hit the 16 minute mark and Sunny/Kap were the only guys under 13 minutes. Not everyone/everything was perfect, but all 4 lines did their jobs last night.

Texier-Buch-Kyrou need to stay together for at least a few games. I've liked that trio both times they have been together and they have produced offensively in both games. They were incredible last night. Kyrou led our team in xGF% with a whopping 72.1% while Buch and Texier were right behind him at 69.9% and 62.1%. The next highest forward on the team was at 35.8%. That trio was all 55% or higher in scoring chances while the rest of the forwards were all under 40%. They went 100% in high danger chances while the rest of the forwards were 40% or lower. And the actual goals were 2-0 in their favor.

Most impressively, they did not get sheltered. Their most frequent opposition was the Knies-Matthews-Marner line, who they outshot, outchanced, and outscored. That line just thoroughly outplayed one of the better 1st lines in hockey.

Binner was overwhelmingly my 1st star. We had a lot of good performances from the skaters, but Binner knew he was going to get shelled tonight and brought his very best. Any dummy can tell you that stopping 40 of 41 is a great night, but he just looked dialed in out there. Bannister could have justified 'playing the hot hand' in Hofer since Binner had dropped 3 straight while Hofer is 3-0 and had back-to-back strong performances. Instead, he trusted Binner and was very much rewarded for that trust. I want to see Hofer play 2 of our next 3 (Montreal and Philly) and I think that we can now do that without people wondering who is the guy. Going back to Binner last night and getting that type of performance from Binner tells you exactly whose net this is right now.

I still want the coaching staff trying to start Hofer in roughly 35 games this year with the potential to push for close to an even split if his play earns it. But last night was one of those performances from Binner that allows you to do that without wondering who is going to be in net for the big games.
 
Last edited:

MissouriMook

Still just a Mook among men
Sponsor
Jul 4, 2014
8,032
8,603
I also found it funny that some were upset he let Joseph get back to Marner first. Kyrou was at the tail end of his shift and Joseph has fresh legs. Kyrou saw Joseph had the speed and legs to catch up and backed off so the two didn't collide and let Marner get a free shot off, and people were upset that "Mr speedy let Joseph beat him"
He also used his stick to try to take away a passing lane once he realized MJ had a step on him.
 

BadgersandBlues

Registered User
Jun 6, 2011
1,869
1,385
I respect Badgers opinion but don't agree with some of those takes either...I think Kyrou has been pretty engaged this year...not sure how you were at the game live and didn't come away impressed with they way in which he hunted the puck and created the turnover which led directly to the Texier goal. His game has matured as Tarasenko's did over time...and offensively, Tarasenko peaked at 82 points in the reg. season so this "I'm disappointed he's not going to be a 100 point player" expectations needs to be relaxed a bit....Faulk is another one who has flaws but is definitely a legit top 4 defenseman on a good team when healthy.
I've long appreciated Kyrou for his offensive game, and I've given him credit for stepping up defensively as well. I've never really bought into the floater narrative, and frankly I still don't. But to say he hounded the puck on the forecheck that led to Texier's goal is a silly narrative. He did a flyby on the puck carrier in the middle of the ice, it was Buch that won a board battle against two Leafs where Kyrou got to swoop in and make pass straight to Texier, who buried it nicely.

I think Kyrou is a very gifted offensive player, but I also think he over extends on his shifts sometimes, and that leads to issues.

Again, I think he's a very valuable player for the Blues, and I'm 100% happy with his progress on the defensive/work ethic catagories. But you will never confuse him for Holloway or Buch, who seem to never stop working.
 

TheOrganist

Don't Call Him Alex
Feb 21, 2006
4,159
1,646
I don't know if you're watching NHL.com's highlights vs. Sportnet highlights but on Sportsnet they show a longer sequence of the Texier goal and to say that Kyrou's forechecking efforts and tying up Matthews stick didn't help force a turnover that led directly to a goal...well, not sure what to tell you.
 

Brian39

Registered User
Apr 24, 2014
7,541
14,156
I've long appreciated Kyrou for his offensive game, and I've given him credit for stepping up defensively as well. I've never really bought into the floater narrative, and frankly I still don't. But to say he hounded the puck on the forecheck that led to Texier's goal is a silly narrative. He did a flyby on the puck carrier in the middle of the ice, it was Buch that won a board battle against two Leafs where Kyrou got to swoop in and make pass straight to Texier, who buried it nicely.
I really disagree with this assessment.

Kyrou was the first man in on the forecheck. He was looking for a pass from Texier in the neutral zone, but as soon as Texier dumped it instead Kyrou got on his horse to pressure Woll (who left the net to play the puck). His pressure on Woll forced a pass to the D man who was already being pressured by Buch instead of allowing Woll to find a better play.

The rushed D man made a touch pass to Matthews. Kyrou made a stick check on Matthews, causing him to fumble the puck back toward the corner, where Buch engaged in a board battle. Kyrou initially went to the side boards to protect against an outlet, but then chased into the corner once he saw Buch had prevented a clearing attempt. He got there as Buch caused a puck to squirt out and made the great pass.



That is a hell of a lot more puck hounding than a flyby on the puck carrier. Buch's board battle was the most impressive part of the turnover, but Kyrou did exactly what you want the F1 doing on that play. He disrupted multiple players and took away multiple outlet options that led to Buch having the opportunity to engage in that board battle. Kyrou is never going to be the guy that wins a bunch of board battles. That's not his game, but that is also not the end-all-be-all of being a puck hound. Moving your feet, rushing the puck handler into mistakes, clogging lanes, disrupting sticks, and supporting the teammate engaging in the board battle are all part of being a puck hound.
 

Linkens Mastery

Conductor of the TankTown Express
Jan 15, 2014
19,986
17,628
Hyrule
Kyrou bad. Everything good that happens when he's on the ice is the other team being bad or another player on the Blues being good and everything bad that happens when he's on the ice is his fault. :popcorn::sarcasm:
 

TheDizee

Trade Jordan Kyrou ASAP | ALWAYS RIGHT
Apr 5, 2014
20,348
13,040
Kyrou had a solid game but he was not as good as some of you think he was. If he plays like he did last night, with a little more hustle every game, I would not have a problem with him.

Thing is, he likely only played that well because he was amped up playing in his hometown and playing against the man who called out his shenanigans which led to Kyrou helping getting him fired.

Come see me around Christmas to see where we stand with Mr Kyrou.
 

BadgersandBlues

Registered User
Jun 6, 2011
1,869
1,385
I really disagree with this assessment.

Kyrou was the first man in on the forecheck. He was looking for a pass from Texier in the neutral zone, but as soon as Texier dumped it instead Kyrou got on his horse to pressure Woll (who left the net to play the puck). His pressure on Woll forced a pass to the D man who was already being pressured by Buch instead of allowing Woll to find a better play.

The rushed D man made a touch pass to Matthews. Kyrou made a stick check on Matthews, causing him to fumble the puck back toward the corner, where Buch engaged in a board battle. Kyrou initially went to the side boards to protect against an outlet, but then chased into the corner once he saw Buch had prevented a clearing attempt. He got there as Buch caused a puck to squirt out and made the great pass.



That is a hell of a lot more puck hounding than a flyby on the puck carrier. Buch's board battle was the most impressive part of the turnover, but Kyrou did exactly what you want the F1 doing on that play. He disrupted multiple players and took away multiple outlet options that led to Buch having the opportunity to engage in that board battle. Kyrou is never going to be the guy that wins a bunch of board battles. That's not his game, but that is also not the end-all-be-all of being a puck hound. Moving your feet, rushing the puck handler into mistakes, clogging lanes, disrupting sticks, and supporting the teammate engaging in the board battle are all part of being a puck hound.

Ok, now that I'm seeing the clip instead of going off memory I'm going to have to pushback on your pushback :). I don't think I'd call what Kyrou did "hounding," I'd call it a fairly regular forecheck. Kyrou did what any reasonable NHL player would do originally, which is skate forward towards the puck after a dump in. Here he is the moment Woll makes his pass:

1729887032875.png


That's not exactly in-your-face forechecking now is it? He's where he's supposed to be, but this is a pretty common look on a forecheck for any team. McCabe (The real goat, more on that later) puts himself in a TERRIBLE position to receive the puck from Woll turning his back towards Buch and getting kinda handcuffed by the pass:

1729887604926.png

Buch is in an aggressive position here, and with the combo of the bad positioning from McCabe accepting the pass as well as the pressure applied by Buch, McCabe forces a touch pass towards Matthews, who was clearly not prepared at all, here he is with his stick still in the air as the pass comes towards him:

1729887335492.png


That's terrible fundamentals by Matthews, and b/c he wasn't ready, he doesn't take the pass cleanly at all:

1729887406704.png


Then Kyrou swoops by and yes, does get a quick stick lift on Matthews, but more in an "ole" manner vs really trying to knock Matthews off the puck. Here is the moment just after the stick lift:

1729887835399.png


Buch notices that Matthews is in trouble, and reads the play, deciding to apply the initial pressure towards Matthews in the corner. Texier is clearly the high man, which Kyrou should know since he's coming from the weak side of the ice. Now here's the critical time where I think our opinions will diverge:

1729888178764.png


I can understand what you're saying about Kyrou going towards the wall to break up an outlet. But here's the thing - once he gets to the wall, and sees that Buch is clearly engaging with a distraught Matthews - the smart, hardworking player would cut towards the engagement immediately in an attempt to support Buch. What does Kyrou do?

1729888312029.png


He literally swoops away and turns his back on the play, giving the Leafs time to support instead of him. Now look at this still shot:

1729888374568.png


There is almost no way this should be a goal. Kyrou is 100% not in a position to support Buch on this forecheck. Matthews is tying up Buch and McCabe is already MILES ahead of where Kyrou would need to be to prevent a clear. But then McCabe makes his second terrible play of the sequence. by reaching out to poke/pull the puck to himself, instead of taking an extra stride and making a strong play behind the net towards Tanev with the puck:

1729888705871.png


There is no universe where a coach isn't looking at this film and thinking about all the ways he wants to scream McCabe's head off. McCabe should 100% take control of this puck, and the only reason he doesn't is thanks to Buch timing an incredible stick lift. Again, at this juncture Kyrou is still above the faceoff dot, having turned his back on the play moments before:

1729888927551.png


Buch is now fighting against two Leafs players which Kyrou is still above the faceoff dot. Here are two more pictures showing Buch engaged with Leafs players which Kyrou is not engaged:

1729889113119.png

1729889154080.png


Then, in a final act of desperation to keep the play alive and not lose the puck, Buch shovels the puck into space behind McCabe. He has no idea where Kyrou is, as he's been looking either down at the puck or into the boards for the last 5 seconds, he's literally just hoping to keep the play alive:

1729889317426.png


Kryou, who has done almost literally zero work up to this point, glides in and makes a nice backhand pass into the slot area, which Texier wires past Woll:

1729889400027.png


I'm sorry, but there was almost nothing about this play that I would credit Kyrou's work ethic on. McCabe makes multiple terrible plays, Matthews shows poor fundamentals, and Buch shows incredible work ethic and IQ. Kyrou almost literally barely factors into the play at all outside of doing what I would consider to be the bare minimum I would expect an NHL forechecker to do.

Again, I would like to reiterate that I like Kyrou, and thinks he gets far too much hate on these boards, but this play is a poor example of him "Working Hard" or "Not Swooping."
 

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Ad