GDT: Game 74: Red Wings at blues 8:00 pm et 4/1/25

[Luceni]

They've lost this game the first 1 and a half periods. They've had about 5 shots in 30 minutes of hockey, thats not enough to win games.

Also that first line isn't working, Larkin is kinda floating around, I can't believe that he seems to be the weak link on that first line with Cat & Kaner. Rasmussen is a 4th liner at this point of his career and probably will never be more than that. The season is probably over, so give Berggren a shot with Kasper & Raymond.

They also should mix up the PP Units.

 

[SoupGuru]

Burgers looked like a new man and deserved to show up on the score sheet.

Copp is missed.

It's hilarious that some of you are clamoring for a 4th coach that will finally figure it out. Maybe coaching isn't the problem

 

[Luceni]

Maybe coaching isn't the problem

I think the current coaches are fine. But they need to mix up the PP Units. They also need to see that Rasmussen is not good enough to play a top 6 role. I'd give Berggren a shot.

Coaches are not responsible for the poor play of Larkin. Larkin should lead this team by example but he's not playing like a captain at the moment. Bad timing for a slump I guess.

 

[datsyukfan]

I just can't wait for ASP

Knowing yzerman he will be in GR all year next year while we watch Holl get a regular shift and stink up the joint nightly

 

[datsyukfan]

I think the current coaches are fine. But they need to mix up the PP Units. They also need to see that Rasmussen is not good enough to play a top 6 role. I'd give Berggren a shot.

Coaches are not responsible for the poor play of Larkin. Larkin should lead this team by example but he's not playing like a captain at the moment. Bad timing for a slump I guess.

Why would you split up the PP unit? It’s like literally the only good thing going on this team.

 

[Winged Wheel Willy]

3pts in 6 games after 5G/11pts in 42games…? That’s supposed to be an impressive season?

Maybe not "impressive", but good and right on schedule. He made the jump from the 2nd tier to the 1st tier in Sweden. Players that young often only see 5-8min of ice time in the SHL. This is only his second yr playing against men and the SHL is known for being tough to produce in. So it is nice that by the end of his first yr he has established himself on the PP with his wicked shot and is not looking outta place.

 

[Pavels Dog]

I think the current coaches are fine. But they need to mix up the PP Units. They also need to see that Rasmussen is not good enough to play a top 6 role. I'd give Berggren a shot.

Coaches are not responsible for the poor play of Larkin. Larkin should lead this team by example but he's not playing like a captain at the moment. Bad timing for a slump I guess.

Imo Larkin has not had a very good season, period. He's had moments, stretches, and 4 nations, where he was at his best. Otherwise he's had a down year in many ways. I mean since January 1st, Kasper is "only" 2 goals and 10 points behind him in scoring, and has a +4 compared to Larkin's -4.

That said he's still been good enough that I don't think he's one of the biggest problems.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

Old Chinese proverb: if you don't tank to avoid losing culture but you lose anyways then you are lost.

That's right up there with the Confucius saying, "he who goes to bed with itchy ass wakes up with smelly fingers."

 

[kook10]

That's right up there with the Confucius saying, "he who goes to bed with itchy ass wakes up with smelly fingers."

"A man who walks through a turnstile sideways is going to Bangkok"

 

[RedWingzz]

MBN is looking better than some of the guys we will be in the range to pick.

If the team knew how to lose properly, and fell to the 8-9 range, there are players way better than MBN that could be available like Eklund, McQueen or O'Brien.

We're the anti-tankers though, so once mathematically eliminated don't be surprised for Larkin to show up again, and lead the team to 4 wins in the last 5 and dropping us to 13th in the draft, resulting in another non-difference maker.

Brady Martin absolutely screams a Steve Yzerman draft pick. Can't read a write up of his without seeing the words "competitive" and "character", so Yzerman must be salivating.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Burgers looked like a new man and deserved to show up on the score sheet.

Copp is missed.

It's hilarious that some of you are clamoring for a 4th coach that will finally figure it out. Maybe coaching isn't the problem

Coaching was 100% the problem with Lalonde. We had a better, deeper roster last year and he pissed away a chance at the postseason. Then early this year he had Detroit damn near first at the draft.

TMac is good. What the team needs now is better depth, which we didn’t get at the deadline and now they’re sinking. The team is going to finish 8-10 places higher than it would have under Lalonde because TMac.

Right now I think the blame lies with Yzerman for offseason blunders in roster and coaching choices, and two TDLs of standing pat when he should have been active in some way.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

That was a real gut punch loss last night. I can complain up and down, but it is really on Yzerman to get aggressive. I am not saying he can pull a Colorado to this roster but there needs to be a lot of turnover. This is the definition of insanity where the same problems and time period slides are happening. I think we have played better than our record in March but in sports you’re what your record says you’re.

This cannot be another slow offseason, a big shakeup is needed. This cannot be run back.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

I usually try to forget about all the failed 2C since Filppula left. Weiss, Nielsen, Richards? (Did he play C for us?), Suter, Compher, Copp. I really thought Weiss and Nielsen were going to be solid for us, and after that I learned the 2C spot is where players careers come to die in Detroit.

How did this game end up on Fox 2 Detroit?

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Good game for Kasper. Playing STL really makes me miss Sunny. We absolutely need more size at forward throughout the lineup (and not guys like Ras who can't stay on their feet).

 

[GMR]

I just can't wait for ASP

He'll be riding the bus next year in GR with future substitute teachers.

You'll have to wait until 2027 likely while Yzerman signs the next Holl/Petry/right handed plug D-man for 2026.

 

[lilidk]

Didn't watch last game and it's not like I'm watching a lot of games, but I noticed our top players taking long shifts. It's wear them out, same time we have guys who is playing 4 or 6 minutes a game.
I hope Berggren gets new contact, let him play in top 6 , just give him chance, Tarasenko had his chance
Don't want to see Tarasenko and Holl next season, just wave them or whatever

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Didn't watch last game and it's not like I'm watching a lot of games, but I noticed our top players taking long shifts. It's wear them out, same time we have guys who is playing 4 or 6 minutes a game.
I hope Berggren gets new contact, let him play in top 6 , just give him chance, Tarasenko had his chance
Don't want to see Tarasenko and Holl next season, just wave them or whatever

Berggren is absolutely awful and has been completely MIA for months.

 

[19 for president]

He probably does have a partner it’s Ed, problem is behind those 2 it’s basically complete trash although I do really like Jo as a 5-6 long term. The D-core is complete trash and it honestly just makes the forwards worse as well as the goalies. If yzerman doesn’t fix it this offseason he needs to be let go.

My guess is ASP is in AHL and Holl is still a regular come next fall. I have almost no confidence in yzerman having a good summer

Agreed. Seider isn't prime Lidstrom. He can't carry bottom pairing dmen as his 1st pairing partner. Maybe when he is 28/29 which is when two way dmen typically peak but not at 23.

I think Mo is also struggling a bit right now to find the balance between his offensive and defensive games. Todd is encouraging him offensively, but he's spent the past 2 seasons being the shut down guy. His decision making when to jump into the play (as he is a skating dman) and when to hang back isn't firing on all cylinders right now. Having Chiarot who has a very low hockey IQ as his partner is not helping.

Yzerman has to figure out a way to shore up our 2nd pair to allow Ed/Seider to play together or get someone to play with Seider.

I like Aljo a lot but I agree that long term he's probably more of a 5 that can play up on occasion than a true #4. I love that he can play both sides well, and that makes him a great jack of all trades guys for injury support. If Yzerman lands a solid partner for Seider I don't mind an Ed/Aljo pairing until hopefully ASP can supplant Aljo. I'm a tad worried about a Chia/ ASP pairing though if we want to ease him into the NHL.

I think ideally we'd find a top 4 LD, buyout Holl, and dump Chia for a more generic safe 3rd pair Dman. I think Chia's physicality but that's about it. We need less hot potato hockey from our D core. You are going to have some of that from have 2 legit rookies and a 23 year old in your top 6, but we can't add that from our vets too. We need someone who can go out there and calm it down, and we absolutely don't have that quality currently.

 

[19 for president]

Berggren is absolutely awful and has been completely MIA for months.

And he will always be MIA when put with grinders. He is not a guy that will carry offense on his own. He looked good with Soder and he looked good with Kasper as they have some creativity to their games.

To be effective he is going to need to be featured on the PP and with other creative guys 5 on 5. This is not uncommon for smaller generic offensive guys. The problem here is that the Wings top 6 is already incredibly small with Ray, DBC, Kane and he isn't better than those 3.

Even if Kane leaves or retires you have Ammo and Buch in the minors looking to make the jump soon. I just don't see a spot for him here long term. I'm hoping we deal him before he loses all of his shine. I think he could be a Hudler/ Nyquist lite level guy if given the right opportunity but that is unlikely to happen here anytime soon.

 

[Holden Caufield]

Berggren is absolutely awful and has been completely MIA for months.

I have been a Berggren supporter for years.

But lately he is spinning his wheels. Looks like he is trying too hard and pressing… While generating nothing.

Also notice he is a magnet for heavy contact. Holds the puck too long and is getting clobbered 3 or 4 times a game. I question if he is going to be durable enough to survive at this rate.

 

[SoupGuru]

For as much crap as Chiarot gets, much of it deserved, he's at least consistent these last couple of seasons. He's a known quantity. Predictable. He's not going to magically start scoring goals or springing forwards on breakaways. He'll be there around the crease doing his best and making occasional mistakes.

But lately I'm wondering which Mo is going to show up. The one trying to shut things down? The one cheating for offense? The one trying fancy passes when the simple play is better? The one runs around looking for hits? The one playing a simple steady defensive game? He's still looking for an identity, for sure.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

For as much crap as Chiarot gets, much of it deserved, he's at least consistent these last couple of seasons. He's a known quantity. Predictable. He's not going to magically start scoring goals or springing forwards on breakaways. He'll be there around the crease doing his best and making occasional mistakes.

But lately I'm wondering which Mo is going to show up. The one trying to shut things down? The one cheating for offense? The one trying fancy passes when the simple play is better? The one runs around looking for hits? The one playing a simple steady defensive game? He's still looking for an identity, for sure.

Mo reminds me a bit of a young Drew Doughty in that way. Early on in his career he would be guilty of trying to do too much himself -throw a big hit, make a big offensive rush- until he settled down and more often made the best play for the team.

Hopefully with experience and more talent around him, Seider settles down a bit as well and picks his spots.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

And he will always be MIA when put with grinders. He is not a guy that will carry offense on his own. He looked good with Soder and he looked good with Kasper as they have some creativity to their games.

To be effective he is going to need to be featured on the PP and with other creative guys 5 on 5. This is not uncommon for smaller generic offensive guys. The problem here is that the Wings top 6 is already incredibly small with Ray, DBC, Kane and he isn't better than those 3.

Even if Kane leaves or retires you have Ammo and Buch in the minors looking to make the jump soon. I just don't see a spot for him here long term. I'm hoping we deal him before he loses all of his shine. I think he could be a Hudler/ Nyquist lite level guy if given the right opportunity but that is unlikely to happen here anytime soon.

This excuse is so cliche and tired as this point. He just isn't very good. Do you know who would be better playing with better players? Literally everyone. Better players make the game easier. If he was good, he would have established himself as a top-six forward already. All these years people have been trying to convince themselves he is a skilled player when he really isn't all that skilled on a true absolute basis (as illustrated by his inability to establish himself as a top-six NHL forward).

I think he will naturally get pushed off the roster in short order.

 

[13to40]

Only was able to watch the third period.

Didn't resemble a team who wants to make the playoffs.

Too many guys taking shifts off.

Hustle was there for the second line, Marco Kasper is definitely making a name for himself, but overall was a pretty poor performance.

Talbot made a few great saves, but the game tying goal with under 30 seconds, although was a nice deflection; it was very saveable.

Hopefully this ain’t the final nail on the office for the post season aspirations, but if I’m a betting man, I don’t think I’m wasting any money on wagering for the post season at this point. Something like a 3.7% chance to make it… going to need to grab at least 12 points to make it.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Didn't watch last game and it's not like I'm watching a lot of games, but I noticed our top players taking long shifts. It's wear them out, same time we have guys who is playing 4 or 6 minutes a game.
I hope Berggren gets new contact, let him play in top 6 , just give him chance, Tarasenko had his chance
Don't want to see Tarasenko and Holl next season, just wave them or whatever

Berggren is a 4A player, I really cannot understand people still pushing an expanded role for him. He has been not very good for the balance of the season and scratched under two different coaches.

Can he flash for games, sure. But that is kind of what makes a 4A player, I include him in a deal for sure this summer. Yzerman stated we need to get harder to play against and Johnny Burgers is one of our Charmin guys.