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Post-Game Talk: GAME 72 - Down and Out in Beverly Hills - Los Angeles 7 BRUINS 2

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MarchysNoseKnows said:
Swayman is absolutely not a negative value contract that would take another asset to move. That’s hilarious.
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as much as I find conversing with you to be a chore, I do think your takes are generally great - this one though...can't wrap my head around it. How would a guy who's proven very little, had an abysmal season, displaying attitude problems (of which, any and all will be known within the league, eventually, perhaps not to us but it will be known there) and costs 8.5 million on the cap for the next 7 years not need to be packaged in order to be taken? There is no way the Bruins can get something of value back if they don't add to that deal

also, the very act of shopping him hurts his value, all things considered.

that said, perhaps all they'd need to retain is salary and I'd be ok with that.
 
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Sheppy said:
Swayman hasn't even been OK, if he was OK I wouldn't have an issue.

He's been bad.
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He's been off an on all season long. I already showed the 10 games stretch prior to these last 4 where he was ok. There was another 15 games stretch that spanned Nov-Jan where on the surface the numbers don't look good (2.47 GAA / .897 SV%), but when you look at the games, right in the middle there was the 8 goal disaster in WPG. That one game massively drops Swayman numbers over those 15 games. Without that game, he posted a 2.07 GAA / .911 SV% and in 9 of those games he allowed 2 goals are less.
 
KnightofBoston said:
as much as I find conversing with you to be a chore, I do think your takes are generally great - this one though...can't wrap my head around it. How would a guy who's proven very little, had an abysmal season, displaying attitude problems (of which, any and all will be known within the league, eventually, perhaps not to us but it will be known there) and costs 8.5 million on the cap for the next 7 years not need to be packaged in order to be taken? There is no way the Bruins can get something of value back if they don't add to that deal

also, the very act of shopping him hurts his value, all things considered.

that said, perhaps all they'd need to retain is salary and I'd be ok with that.
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Define proven very little. For his career prior to this season:

132 GP / 2.34 GAA / .919 SV% / 12 SO
 
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Sheppy said:
Hell, even my mom said earlier in the year "It seems like the team plays better in front of Korpisalo" - She might be onto something because I see it too. I think Swayman likely caused a divide in that room.
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I'm not saying that Swayman is well liked in the locker room, but the idea that the rest of the team will intentionally play better in front of one of the two regular goalies because he is more liked than the other is just silly. The other way around is true as well, no goaltender would intentionally play worse with a specific pair of d-men just because he doesn't like them.

I don't disagree by the way that the team looks better with Korpisalo at the moment, but I think there are two reasons for that :
1. Quality of opposition
2. Better chemistry with Korpisalo

Swayman needs to stop with all the distractions and focus on his game, but the biggest problem otherwise I think is chemistry. The Bruins need new coaches who can teach a good defensive system and create the required chemistry between the d-men and the goalies so that they play like one brain again instead of whatever this chaotic mess is.
 
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Hookslide said:
He did not have those AHL players all year, and the D was not hurt all year, and he did not get the job done.
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The offense hasn't gotten the job done either. They've been held to 2 goals or less in 38 games this season. That's 52% of the games the B's have played to date. For over half the games then Bruins would have needed Sway or Korpi to give up 1 goal or less to have a chance to win......that's just not realistic in today's NHL.
 
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Aeroforce said:
I'm in the camp that Swayman divided the room.

When he signed just after the season started, the B's put together a promo video following Swayman onto the team plane. I was a little surprised at the lukewarm reception he received. McAvoy gave him the cold shoulder (before it was injured).

And there may have been cliques in the room previously. Ullmark was cryptic in his exit interview, even before being traded talking about a "revenge tour." There may have been a slight fracture in the room toward the goalies already.

The friendship between Swayman and Ullmark is a touching story; but Swayman has been particularly bad against Ottawa.

And was bringing back Lauko, who is friends with Swayman, an attempt to build back support? Swayman feels the need to fight for Khusnutdinov, who wasn't in the room previously and came over with Lauko?

And if I get an infraction for this, so be it. But posters, let's raise our game, too. What's going on outside is not affecting other rooms, who actually would be divided if that were the case.

Brad Marchand specifically requested to go to Florida, for crying out loud. Meanwhile the Panthers were chumming it up at the White House, including Bennett and Reinhart, Brady Tkachuk has become a folk hero in Ottawa no less, etc.

Hockey players are masters at compartmentalizing. Let's be like them.
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I think the "revenge tour" quote was directed at Bruins management, not Swayman - for not playing him in the playoffs, for asking him to waive his no trade etc - his bromance with Swayman is genuine, you don't have to look past their meetings this year to see that.

I still don't see why any player would be upset over a player asking for as much as they can get - high tide raises all boats, if Swayman was able to negotiate what everyone here seems to be an overpay, players should be inspired and motivated to do the same, especially since they can argue their relative importance to the team. The "doesn't leave money for other players" argument is not valid, it's management's job to handle that side of the equation.

Finally, if the room is so upset at Sway for all the undeserved money he makes that was selfishly asked for, shouldn't they be just as angry at Elias Lindholm?
 
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ON3M4N said:
The offense hasn't gotten the job done either. They've been held to 2 goals or less in 38 games this season. That's 52% of the games the B's have played to date. For over half the games then Bruins would have needed Sway or Korpi to give up 1 goal or less to have a chance to win......that's just not realistic in today's NHL.
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35 goals in the last 10 games, 6 games with 4 or more goals, sorry but you have a very weak client to be defending.
 
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ON3M4N said:
Huh? The Bruins have not scored 35 goals over the last 10 games lol. They've scored 23 goals and been held to 2 goals or less in 6 of the 10 games.
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And some of those forward and D-man will be moved out, Swayman with his ridiculous, contract will be here next year, and are you going to defend him next year also, if he shits the bed again. Try and be honest with yourself he has not lived up this contract, and to be fair neither has Lindholm, who I said that was a bad signing also.
 
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Hookslide said:
And some of those forward and D-man will be moved out, Swayman with his ridiculous, contract will be here next year, and are you going to defend him next year also, if he shits the bed again. Try and be honest with yourself he has not lived up this contract, and to be fair neither has Lindholm, who I said that was a bad signing also.
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What does any of this have to do with my post? I haven't said anywhere that he's lived up to his current contract have I? No, I haven't. The difference is, I'm looking at things objectively and not emotionally. I'm not jumping ship at the first sign of water like many others are. If Swayman puts up another year like this next season, I'm concerned. Just like players have career best years, players have career worst years.

Just like I'm not jumping ship on Swayman, I'm not jumping ship on Lindholm. Objectively, he's in his first season with a new organization. He's been bounced around with his linemates and is now playing with bottom 6 players and prospects. With all that he's still looking at 42pts this season, which on the surface isn't great for a guy you expected to be your 1C this year. With that said, he's 3rd on the team in expected goals, 3rd in scoring chances, 2nd in high danger chances, and 55% in the dot. He's playing a strong 200ft game this year as well. So while the "box score" numbers don't wow you, the lack off offensive production could very well be more bad puck luck than anything.
 
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ON3M4N said:
It's coming from the a subset of fans. This subset is so irate that Swayman had the audacity to do an interview during the summer that they want him to be the root of evil. Its mind blowing to me how goalies get treated in Boston. For years you'd have though Rask was a mass murderer the way some people talked about it. Fast forward and Swayman was a fan favorite less than a year ago. He gets paid in the off-season and then becomes public enemy #1 for this subset of Bruins fans.
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I can't speak for others, of course. While I certainly wasn't thrilled with what happened over the off-season, I'm more upset with Swayman because he's been doing a very poor job of what he is being paid very, very handsomely to do. I do agree with you about Rask.
 
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lopey said:
Sway has not been great but come on guys this d is beyond bad. Forwards outside of maybe 5 players is ahl caliber.
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There are 3 weeks left ~ they are playing out the string

It’s a miss mash

No Marchand, Hampus , Carlo, Coyle, McAvoy, Frederic ….

You play and get ready for the games but it’s human nature to just get this the F over

From a FO view it’s a time of accessing new players and call ups

There is significant value in these games to them but for once in a blue moon it would be nice to pick very high and get a shot at a couple of very highly thought of F that should be there 6-8 spot

I personally am making no judgement on Swayman ~ I’ve seen him 4 years and excellent at times this season

He’s been ass at times but it’s a family moving type of yard sale infront of him
 
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ON3M4N said:
Define proven very little. For his career prior to this season:

132 GP / 2.34 GAA / .919 SV% / 12 SO
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with elite teams and sharing the duties with Ullmark

he didn't deserve 8.5, truthfully. It was a calculated risk by Sweeney because you risk losing him at UFA, or him costing 10+ when you're past the bridge deal

I can't terribly fault sweeney and he made the call he made, he paid the players he felt was the core.


It'll be up to him to fix this team this summer and build out the pieces we need for a solid team that can not leave swayman hanging, and swayman will need to learn to steal games again if he wants to be seen as worth that contract, otherwise he is going to continue to be a whipping boy



FWIW, Rask was paid 7 million AFTER he stood on his head against Pittsburgh (a team that had both Malkin and Crosby and won’t the cup two times in a row just a few years later and once prior) and they made it all the way to the finals, 7 million then is probably a lot closer to 8.5 today. So we paid swayman Rask money after one playoff round win, a loss but one that would have happened sooner without swayman, and that’s it. That’s generally what people are so concerned about
 
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KnightofBoston said:
with elite teams and sharing the duties with Ullmark

he didn't deserve 8.5, truthfully. It was a calculated risk by Sweeney because you risk losing him at UFA, or him costing 10+ when you're past the bridge deal

I can't terribly fault sweeney and he made the call he made, he paid the players he felt was the core.


It'll be up to him to fix this team this summer and build out the pieces we need for a solid team that can not leave swayman hanging, and swayman will need to learn to steal games again if he wants to be seen as worth that contract, otherwise he is going to continue to be a whipping boy



FWIW, Rask was paid 7 million AFTER he stood on his head against Pittsburgh (a team that had both Malkin and Crosby and won’t the cup two times in a row just a few years later and once prior) and they made it all the way to the finals, 7 million then is probably a lot closer to 8.5 today. So we paid swayman Rask money after one playoff round win, a loss but one that would have happened sooner without swayman, and that’s it. That’s generally what people are so concerned about
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Was Rask not sharing time with Tim Thomas? The 2012-2013 season was the first season where Rask was the #1 Goalie and in that season he started 34 games.....and had a loaded team in front of him.
 
You just knew after he signed his deal, after that whole saga, that he was going to come into the season behind and play poorly.

Is he entirely to blame? No he isn’t.

But he is not the victim here and it could not have come at a worse time for an organization that is having its worse season in a very very long time.

When I think about how most of us were singing his praises following the playoffs last year, to where we are now, I wish I could I say I was surprised. The reality though, you could see it coming a mile away.
 
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