GDT: GAME 63 | Red Wings @ Senators | Fabian vs the Octopus Edition | Mon Mar 10 2025, 7:30PM | TVAS, PRIME

[BankStreetParade]

It obviously worked hugely in our favour but I'd be on board with a rule change where the puck can still count as a goal even after time has elapsed, provided the puck is released before time runs out. I think there's probably a couple of tweaks to make to the rule but if the puck is moving continuously towards the net, even including deflections/tips, the shot should count as being during playing time. Almost exactly like basketball. The NBA doesn't have a rule that the basketball needs to be in the net when the clock runs out, only that the shot has been released fully from the hand.

There's already a continuation rule, as we saw in a previous game. Why doesn't it apply to shots on goal during regulation time? It would also play a factor at the ends of periods, too. How many times have you seen a player on a breakaway with seconds left on the clock and they take a shitty shot because time's about to expire? Make it more exciting. Fans LOVE last second shot attempts/goals.

 

[SpezDispenser]

I'm riding the high from the win, but it wasn't pretty. Shouldn't matter that Detroit was in must win mode, so should we be.

Thank you Ullmark

 

[starling]

The last play with the icing was quite annoying. How do you not just smother the puck for 3 seconds? Very lucky there wasn’t another second to the game

It was 10 seconds actually, you could easily lose the puck in 7-8 seconds, have the wings center it and tie the game.

Like Linus, I yelled at him to ice it thinking they wouldn't have enough time to get back but their D read the play well, took off early and busted his ass to get there.

 

[Tuna99]

Yup, and Prime captured what was going on after every shift either of them played - Yeo or Alfie right there with the dry erase board going through the sequence. Good stuff.

Bogus?! Chariot hit him square in the numbers 3 feet from the boards when the puck was 10 feet away! I'm not sure Greig even played the puck in that sequence. That's the most dangerous play in hockey and needs to be called every time.

Greig folded. I love Greig don’t get me wrong but he knows how to draw penalties - drew two huge penalties, took the last face off if the game, led the F on TOI - his and Ullmark’s next games as a Sen

 

[Chabots Outie]

It obviously worked hugely in our favour but I'd be on board with a rule change where the puck can still count as a goal even after time has elapsed, provided the puck is released before time runs out. I think there's probably a couple of tweaks to make to the rule but if the puck is moving continuously towards the net, even including deflections/tips, the shot should count as being during playing time. Almost exactly like basketball. The NBA doesn't have a rule that the basketball needs to be in the net when the clock runs out, only that the shot has been released fully from the hand.

There's already a continuation rule, as we saw in a previous game. Why doesn't it apply to shots on goal during regulation time? It would also play a factor at the ends of periods, too. How many times have you seen a player on a breakaway with seconds left on the clock and they take a shitty shot because time's about to expire? Make it more exciting. Fans LOVE last second shot attempts/goals.

Don’t think it would really make sense for hockey, compared to the strategy involving last second shots in basketball. Hockey is too quick and random for them.

But I don’t think it would have made a difference in this game. The pick hasn’t left Raymond’s stick when the clock struck 0.

complete robbery in that game, about time Linus stolen us one after some absolutely brutal showings. Great to see Cozens score as well

The last play with the icing was quite annoying. How do you not just smother the puck for 3 seconds? Very lucky there wasn’t another second to the game

Also…did we have a new PA announcer for the game? That dude was AWESOME!

I believe he was the announcer from TD Place

 

[Micklebot]

It obviously worked hugely in our favour but I'd be on board with a rule change where the puck can still count as a goal even after time has elapsed, provided the puck is released before time runs out. I think there's probably a couple of tweaks to make to the rule but if the puck is moving continuously towards the net, even including deflections/tips, the shot should count as being during playing time. Almost exactly like basketball. The NBA doesn't have a rule that the basketball needs to be in the net when the clock runs out, only that the shot has been released fully from the hand.

There's already a continuation rule, as we saw in a previous game. Why doesn't it apply to shots on goal during regulation time? It would also play a factor at the ends of periods, too. How many times have you seen a player on a breakaway with seconds left on the clock and they take a shitty shot because time's about to expire? Make it more exciting. Fans LOVE last second shot attempts/goals.

Basketball is different in that you literally aren't allowed to "goaltend", allowing goals after the game is over just seems like nonsense. It's not like last night wasn't exciting, you'd just be shifting the cut off from in the net to off the stick and adding the potential that the buzzer going off results in players letting up.

The continuation rule is different in that it's intent is to ensure a mistake by an official doesn't wipe out what should have been a good goal, there's nothing good about scoring after the game is over.

 

[Relapsing]

The Wings played an excellent game and lost. We have had some of those types of games. There is no shame in that. There is shame when you play an atrocious game whether you lose or win. The coaching staff needs to address these stinkers to improve team performance to achieve its goals.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

It obviously worked hugely in our favour but I'd be on board with a rule change where the puck can still count as a goal even after time has elapsed, provided the puck is released before time runs out. I think there's probably a couple of tweaks to make to the rule but if the puck is moving continuously towards the net, even including deflections/tips, the shot should count as being during playing time. Almost exactly like basketball. The NBA doesn't have a rule that the basketball needs to be in the net when the clock runs out, only that the shot has been released fully from the hand.

There's already a continuation rule, as we saw in a previous game. Why doesn't it apply to shots on goal during regulation time? It would also play a factor at the ends of periods, too. How many times have you seen a player on a breakaway with seconds left on the clock and they take a shitty shot because time's about to expire? Make it more exciting. Fans LOVE last second shot attempts/goals.

I blame Brady wearing the C for Detroit almost tying it up at the end

 

[OgieO]

Thanks Linus!! (phew)

 

[BankStreetParade]

Basketball is different in that you literally aren't allowed to "goaltend", allowing goals after the game is over just seems like nonsense. It's not like last night wasn't exciting, you'd just be shifting the cut off from in the net to off the stick and adding the potential that the buzzer going off results in players letting up.

The continuation rule is different in that it's intent is to ensure a mistake by an official doesn't wipe out what should have been a good goal, there's nothing good about scoring after the game is over.

I just don't understand this antiquated view of "when the game is over". Did the player shoot the puck at the net before time expired? If so, the game wasn't over when the shot was released, was it?

I don't know what goaltending has to do with anything. A basketball player can still try to block a shot even if it's at the buzzer and goaltending in basketball is a completely different rule meant to "protect" shots as they are falling towards the basket. A football player can still score even after time has run out. Some of the best moments in sports history, famously, have come after game time has "ended".

I think they should change the rule to be more in line with what the 2 other major sports with time keeping are doing, rather than being the outlier. Is it going to add a huge amount of goals? No. However, it could create some interesting strategies with late game faceoffs in the offensive zone, breakaways or odd man rushes near the end of periods/games, etc. And it will surely create some incredible moments for the sport, that will live on and create talking points for casual sports fans.

 

[OgieO]

5 points clear of Mtl, Det and Boston with fewer than 20 games left. Unless we collapse its actually a pretty big gap to have this late. A win tonight would be amazing but tough on a back to back road game.

 

[Slippy]

I just don't understand this antiquated view of "when the game is over". Did the player shoot the puck at the net before time expired? If so, the game wasn't over when the shot was released, was it?

I don't know what goaltending has to do with anything. A basketball player can still try to block a shot even if it's at the buzzer and goaltending in basketball is a completely different rule meant to "protect" shots as they are falling towards the basket. A football player can still score even after time has run out. Some of the best moments in sports history, famously, have come after game time has "ended".

I think they should change the rule to be more in line with what the 2 other major sports with time keeping are doing, rather than being the outlier. Is it going to add a huge amount of goals? No. However, it could create some interesting strategies with late game faceoffs in the offensive zone, breakaways or odd man rushes near the end of periods/games, etc. And it will surely create some incredible moments for the sport, that will live on and create talking points for casual sports fans.

Not sure why the rule needs to change. The puck must cross the line before the play is dead. Simple. We'd just have replays trying to determine when the puck left a guy's stick to figure it out.

What if a player shot it before the horn, but it deflects off another player or object after the horn and then goes in the net?

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Kudos to the crowds at the CTC this year. I've been to more games this year than in years past and every game has been for the most part great and has been electric as we get closer to the end of the season.

Not sure why the rule needs to change. The puck must cross the line before the play is dead. Simple. We'd just have replays trying to determine when the puck left a guy's stick to figure it out.

What if a player shot it before the horn, but it deflects off another player or object after the horn and then goes in the net?

This also opens up a can of worms if the puck is hidden in the goalies equipment with time expired.

 

[umma gumma]

I just don't understand this antiquated view of "when the game is over". Did the player shoot the puck at the net before time expired? If so, the game wasn't over when the shot was released, was it?

I don't know what goaltending has to do with anything. A basketball player can still try to block a shot even if it's at the buzzer and goaltending in basketball is a completely different rule meant to "protect" shots as they are falling towards the basket. A football player can still score even after time has run out. Some of the best moments in sports history, famously, have come after game time has "ended".

I think they should change the rule to be more in line with what the 2 other major sports with time keeping are doing, rather than being the outlier. Is it going to add a huge amount of goals? No. However, it could create some interesting strategies with late game faceoffs in the offensive zone, breakaways or odd man rushes near the end of periods/games, etc. And it will surely create some incredible moments for the sport, that will live on and create talking points for casual sports fans.

It'd be a headache. Imagine doing a review as to when the exact moment the puck left as player's stick was. You'd have to have the perfect angle to get it right. Far too arbitrary, things happen too fast. It's easy with a stationary camera zoomed in on the goal line.

No thanks.

 

[Adrianopolous]

5 points clear of Mtl, Det and Boston with fewer than 20 games left. Unless we collapse its actually a pretty big gap to have this late. A win tonight would be amazing but tough on a back to back road game.

We have the ability to collapse at any time please don’t forget

 

[BankStreetParade]

Not sure why the rule needs to change. The puck must cross the line before the play is dead. Simple. We'd just have replays trying to determine when the puck left a guy's stick to figure it out.

As opposed to the replays determining if the puck fully crossed the line before time ended? Why does the NHL need to be the outlier compared to the NBA and NFL, who both have scoring counted on attempts before time expires?

What if a player shot it before the horn, but it deflects off another player or object after the horn and then goes in the net?

Like I said, there should be some outlines to the rule but as long as the puck is moving towards the net and a player does not attempt another shot, it should count even if its deflected/tipped.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

We have the ability to collapse at any time please don’t forget

Maybe create a thread about it so we can be reminded about it if it gets bumped

 

[Adrianopolous]

Maybe create a thread about it so we can be reminded about it if it gets bumped

I’m just saying don’t think this team doesn’t have it in them to choke

 

[BankStreetParade]

It'd be a headache. Imagine doing a review as to when the exact moment the puck left as player's stick was. You'd have to have the perfect angle to get it right. Far too arbitrary, things happen too fast. It's easy with a stationary camera zoomed in on the goal line.

No thanks.

The NBA can determine exactly when a ball leaves a player's hand but the NHL can't do the same for a stick and puck? Just seems like a really really weak reason to do it differently from the NBA and NFL.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

I’m just saying don’t think this team doesn’t have it in them to choke

BREAKING: teams may win or lose any given night. Great insight, love your contributions to the board!

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

I’m just saying don’t think this team doesn’t have it in them to choke

They are ammasing points while not looking particularly good.

I think they'll find their groove and play better down the stretch.

 

[umma gumma]

The NBA can determine exactly when a ball leaves a player's hand but the NHL can't do the same for a stick and puck? Just seems like a really really weak reason to do it differently from the NBA and NFL.

Yes, because the swing of a stick holds the same arc and velocity as a flick of the wrist, not to mention the size difference between a puck and a basketball. Black puck on black tape. Big orange ball in hand. Very comparable.

Hey, those are American sports. Hockey is Canadian. Players wear skates, hold a weapon, can't run out of bounds, and are allowed to beat the snot out of each other. It is different.

 

[Slippy]

As opposed to the replays determining if the puck fully crossed the line before time ended? Why does the NHL need to be the outlier compared to the NBA and NFL, who both have scoring counted on attempts before time expires?

Like I said, there should be some outlines to the rule but as long as the puck is moving towards the net and a player does not attempt another shot, it should count even if its deflected/tipped.

They are not oultiers. Soccer ends at the final whistle. Just because the NBA and NFL does it, doesn't make it right or better.

 

[BankStreetParade]

Yes, because the swing of a stick holds the same arc and velocity as a flick of the wrist. Very comparable.

Hey, those are American sports. Hockey is Canadian. Players wear skates and can't run out of bounds. It is different.

Everything you said has absolutely nothing to do with whether we should count attempts before the buzzer or whether the puck needs to fully cross the line. The NBA and NFL have iconic moments of scoring plays after the game clock has run out but the NHL should be the only one of the three that doesn't do it that way because oh god, how could we differentiate the release of a shot from a stick compared to the release of a basketball from a hand...or because we're Canadian...or because the rink doesn't have sidelines or something...

They are not oultiers. Soccer ends at the final whistle. Just because the NBA and NFL does it, doesn't make it right or better.

Soccer...famously a sport where goals are never scored after the exact 90 minutes of game time have elapsed, right?

 

[umma gumma]

Everything you said has absolutely nothing to do with whether we should count attempts before the buzzer or whether the puck needs to fully cross the line. The NBA and NFL have iconic moments of scoring plays after the game clock has run out but the NHL should be the only one of the three that doesn't do it that way because oh god, how could we differentiate the release of a shot from a stick compared to the release of a basketball from a hand...or because we're Canadian...or because the rink doesn't have sidelines or something...

Its as dumb a suggestion as stripping the C from our captain. Do I need to bring Dorion up again to get you to go away?