GDT: Game 53: Columbus vs. Philadelphia | 2/13 7PM EST

[SuperGenius]

5 triples and a patriot bomb, this ain't over boys, get on board

The genius of this plan is that you were also covered if things fell apart.

Nice win. Seems like it's been a long time since I've seen a 3rd period at Nationwide like that.

OT: ouch, Seguin. Kulikov sitting a few games I bet.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Why is no one talking about Arty's goal "celebration"
Watch it again if you didn't notice the first time, hilarious

Indeed. Epic. Also, big goofy smile as he came off the ice after the group hug. Nice to see. Maybe he gets it going.

Also, dat fourth line...

Intense, enjoyable game to watch. Skating and hitting by the good guys. Dominated for lengthy stretches. Cam had jump, Dubi had jump. Nice to score 4 without Nick of Joey potting one. Dubi's 4th, Boll's 1st, Arty's 3rd.

Hope Wennberg learned something tonight, because he was struggling to keep up from an intensity standpoint. Might be time for Savard to watch a game, too.

 

[alphafox]

Wow, I'd love to eat my words but our shot at the playoffs was gone in January. Call me an Eeyore all you want but the reality is that wins like this don't do anything for the franchise. IMO, you can't ask the players or coaches to lose so it is the duty of the FO to ice a team that will. I know that the tanking idea is not palatable for many and due to Edmonton's botched rebuild its effectiveness is being questioned, but the bottom line is that finishing outside the playoffs and being unable to draft elite talent in the draft is the worst season you can have as a franchise, something we have dealt with often because no one has had the guts to clean house.

I'm not advocating burning it all down ( we have an excellent core group of players) , but I would much rather clear out pieces to help ourselves down the road. This year was an abberation due to injuries, however we still have a ways to go before we are realistically in contention for the cup. I would rather see us position ourselves for long term success this season than carry players that will not be assets when it comes time to win the cup in a couple seasons.

 

[ndd17]

No way, perfect amount, nj losing, Boston losing and fla losing, great night so far!

Boston losing SO FAR. They win whatever.

 

[ca5150]

Boston losing SO FAR. They win whatever.

Down 3-1 going into the third. They lose and we are 12 back with 2 in hand, 8 points...no reason we can't do this, Boston and Florida are on huge road trips and not playing well.

 

[ca5150]

Wow, I'd love to eat my words but our shot at the playoffs was gone in January. Call me an Eeyore all you want but the reality is that wins like this don't do anything for the franchise. IMO, you can't ask the players or coaches to lose so it is the duty of the FO to ice a team that will. I know that the tanking idea is not palatable for many and due to Edmonton's botched rebuild its effectiveness is being questioned, but the bottom line is that finishing outside the playoffs and being unable to draft elite talent in the draft is the worst season you can have as a franchise, something we have dealt with often because no one has had the guts to clean house.

I'm not advocating burning it all down ( we have an excellent core group of players) , but I would much rather clear out pieces to help ourselves down the road. This year was an abberation due to injuries, however we still have a ways to go before we are realistically in contention for the cup. I would rather see us position ourselves for long term success this season than carry players that will not be assets when it comes time to win the cup in a couple seasons.

I'll be waiting at the door of NWA to make sure you don't get in for the playoffs. Quitter.

 

[alphafox]

I'll be waiting at the door of NWA to make sure you don't get in for the playoffs. Quitter.

Good luck with that.

 

[ca5150]

12points out with 1 game in hand is not pretty my friend but I love the spirit. Breath of fresh air

2 games in hand! After Dorse and the boys finish Boston off tonight

 

[blahblah]

IMO, you can't ask the players or coaches to lose so it is the duty of the FO to ice a team that will. I know that the tanking idea is not palatable

You are a good, solid poster. I'm just going to consider this a lapse in judgment on your part and pretend you never made those last two posts. You don't try and adjust a roster with a strong core in an attempt to lose more games for draft picks. You have to trade away part of your core to do it.

No going to happen. That would be going in the reverse direction.

How would the FO go about doing that? Not signing Foligno and trading him? Moving Johansen? Moving JJ? You can't move on or two pieces to get this team to tank, you'd have to start gutting it.

Did you think this through?

 

[Sore Loser]

Team loses one game: "Fire them all! Trade them all! BURN IT ALL DOWN!!!"

Team wins one game: "We can do this! Only 12 points back!!!"

I sure wish you all would make up your minds

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Team loses one game: "Fire them all! Trade them all! BURN IT ALL DOWN!!!"

Team wins one game: "We can do this! Only 12 points back!!!"

I sure wish you all would make up your minds

Right?

 

[ndd17]

Down 3-1 going into the third. They lose and we are 12 back with 2 in hand, 8 points...no reason we can't do this, Boston and Florida are on huge road trips and not playing well.

I hope you would be right and I was wrong. I very much hope.
Meanwhile,
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Per Elias: Excluding shootouts,
@BlueJacketsNHL won when facing
multi-goal deficit in 3rd pd for 1st time
since Nov. 5, 2008 (5-4 W vs EDM).

 

[ndd17]

Team loses one game: "Fire them all!

All needn't. The fire of one is enough for me.

 

[alphafox]

You are a good, solid poster. I'm just going to consider this a lapse in judgment on your part and pretend you never made those last two posts. You don't try and adjust a roster with a strong core in an attempt to lose more games for draft picks. You have to trade away part of your core to do it.

No going to happen. That would be going in the reverse direction.

How would the FO go about doing that? Not signing Foligno and trading him? Moving Johansen? Moving JJ? You can't move on or two pieces to get this team to tank, you'd have to start gutting it.

Did you think this through?

To be honest I think I wasn't clear what I meant by tanking. I know we aren't in the running for McEichel (Buffalo has one of those locked up). I just feel that we have a chance to add an elite piece in from the 4-8 range provided we don't play our way out of that range. In terms of thinking it through, my personal plan would be to trade Tyutin, Anisimov, and Atkinson for one or two major upgrades on the blue line. In the short term this would cause depth problems making the team less competitive while at the same time putting us in a position to continue building next year.

These proposed moves may not have the necessary impact, in which case I agree with your premise which is to stay the course with the current core. I simply believe that there are enough non-core pieces that we could move to our long term benefit.

 

[ca5150]

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[MAHJ71]

The genius of this plan is that you were also covered if things fell apart.

Nice win. Seems like it's been a long time since I've seen a 3rd period at Nationwide like that.

OT: ouch, Seguin. Kulikov sitting a few games I bet.

Saw the hit on Seguin, Kulikov should get at least 3 games - completely blatant. Really bad timing for the Stars too as they are only 3 points out of the playoffs. Also lost Hemsky and Eaves in that same game.

 

[We Want Ten]

Which is why this team has won 3 of its last 4, and is 18-11-1 after the 6-15-2 start, and has all 4 Centers healthy? Nobody is forcing you watch this, clearly "futile" team.

When the NHL starts handing out trophys for winning December, let me know. Otherwise, yeah its futile.

Yeah, a bad team that had a 2 goal lead with 10 minutes remaining, and came in 5-0-2 in their last 7. Yeah, this win was a breeze. It required no heart or effort at all.

With Emery in net. I'm not saying it was easy, but its Philly, not the Rangers. Current streaks mean nothing to me, look at the big picture.

If this team works hard and misses the playoffs again, whats the point? If we are going to miss the playoffs, which we are, whats so bad about ending up with an almost generational talent that truly would elevate this team to the next level?

I'm not advocating tanking btw, I just think some of you guys are wanting to see something thats just not there.

 

[We Want Ten]

Holy Hyperbole Batman. What an EPIC misrepresentation of the fan base. Team played hard and made a good comeback. Reason to be happy for a night.

I wasn't trying to represent the whole fanbase, just responding to an individual poster who seems to think that this team couldn't benefit from a high draft pick.

 

[MAHJ71]

When the NHL starts handing out trophys for winning December, let me know. Otherwise, yeah its futile.



With Emery in net. I'm not saying it was easy, but its Philly, not the Rangers. Current streaks mean nothing to me, look at the big picture.

If this team works hard and misses the playoffs again, whats the point? If we are going to miss the playoffs, which we are, whats so bad about ending up with an almost generational talent that truly would elevate this team to the next level?

I'm not advocating tanking btw, I just think some of you guys are wanting to see something thats just not there.

I agree.. while it is fun to see wins, at this point in the playoff picture we are hurting ourselves in the long run. There is no prize in coming up short of the playoffs.

 

[pete goegan]

I agree.. while it is fun to see wins, at this point in the playoff picture we are hurting ourselves in the long run. There is no prize in coming up short of the playoffs.

Prize? No, but there are benefits to a young team learning to continue playing hard right down to the wire, as well as positive momentum to take into the offseason and optimism to carry into the next year. Yes, no doubt it would be of great benefit to add one of the top two picks, but that's neither something to plan for, nor a reasonable strategy for development. If it happens, it's good fortune made from disaster. If it doesn't, then there are plenty of lesser talents available in the draft who can help move the CBJ forward. I have confidence in this front office to make the best of the situation, whichever way it goes.

 

[spintheblackcircle]

In Vegas this week and watched the game at the Venitian next to a guy from Philly. All game he kept saying, "Damn, that team plays hard."

That's all you can ask for in this situation, IMHO.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

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Nice.

In Vegas this week and watched the game at the Venitian next to a guy from Philly. All game he kept saying, "Damn, that team plays hard."

That's all you can ask for in this situation, IMHO.

In any situation.

I guess we should want them to play hard but lose, but we've been there as an organization before, and sort of unlearned the benefits of hard work in the process. Draft pick-niks are going to have to hope the team just lays a bunh of clunkers down the stretch, because I sure as hell don't want the team to play well and lose.

 

[Jive Pawnbroker]

That was the Jackets' first win this season when being down after two periods, correct?

I think all these seasons as a Jackets fan has me well grounded in my beliefs when it comes to the philosophies of tanking / not tanking and being a Playoff Optimist or a Playoff Eeyore.

- First, let the wins and losses fall where they may the rest of the season. So what if they draft a few spots further down the board? A high pick doesn't guarantee a thing (for example, Zherdev). Take the best player available at the place you end up drafting and go from there. I'll take Boone Jenner any day over a skilled headcase who "don't do rebounds".

- For those who still hold out hope for the playoffs, I congratulate you on your enthusiasm and positivity. This board needs folks like you. For those of you who are more negative on this issue (of which I am one), I certainly understand your mindset given what we have endured as Jackets fans all these years. This board needs folks like you as well. The clash of these philosophies is what brings me here almost every day to see what everyone else is thinking and helps me to enjoy the roller coaster ride that comes along with being a fan of this team.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

First, let the wins and losses fall where they may the rest of the season.

Exactly. Wins and losses - like Sir Paul said, there is good and bad in every one.

 

[SuperGenius]

I agree.. while it is fun to see wins, at this point in the playoff picture we are hurting ourselves in the long run. There is no prize in coming up short of the playoffs.

I disagree with any suggestion that anything that happens now 'hurts them in the long run'. This is a false assumption. If you truly believe this, then what is your answer for good picks going in later picks or rounds? Often, in hindsight, a worse draft position would have, in the long run, helped the CBJ much more than a higher one (taking pick 1-3 out of it).

The HHOF is full of guys drafted in positions all over the draft. Tim Horton's probably employs a couple high draft picks.

The draft is what you make it. there is no guarantee of success with high picks (Can't believe I have to remind a CBJ fan of this). if CBJ pick 13 and believe someone at 7 is best 'in the long run', they can trade up. Get what you want however you can, but trying to win or lose to guarantee some draft outcome is silly, IMO.