GDT: Game 52: Columbus vs. Los Angeles | 2/9 7PM EST

NotWendell

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Golebouf is the worst defenseman we've had since Klesla

Strictly speaking about tonight's game, he was no worse than any of our other blue liners. We got outhit, outskated - on AND off the puck, lost key battles on the boards. Can't pin tonight on any one guy. This current roster is clearly not a playoff team.
 

Mayor Bee

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Calvert is the Andy Dalton of the NHL

Calvert has actually won a playoff game.

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Dump, chase, lose control of the puck, chase it down the ice, rinse, repeat. This team cannot win consistently in this league they way it is currently configured. The D has been an absolute disappointment and our inability to control the puck and generate offense is mind numbing. We had 14 shots on goal roughly 54 minutes through the game. The final shot total masks the issue. Is it desire, the system or lack of skill? As we poured the shots on in the last 6 minutes you'd think the former were true. Don't know for sure; but really getting tired of watching this brand of hockey. Heck, they don't even take the body anymore. Used to be when we were getting outworked we'd get our money's worth in hits. Frustrating...
 

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Golo is the worst defensemen since Klesla? That could be the oddest thing I've ever read on these boards.
 

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Congrats to Hartnell on game #1000. I think that I heard that he's only the 271st player to reach that milestone in NHL history. Getting him for uberstiff Umberger was larceny. Love watching him play. Chippy and a skilled scorer. He blasted some King dman who was catching a puck. Great stuff.

Congrats to Boll for really winning a fight.

I saw a glimpse of Wennberg having some offensive ability tonight. Got unlucky on the crossbar and generated a decent chance driving the net in the game. Still not sold on him, but this year is essentially an apprenticeship.

The Kings are a very good team. One can't give them two goals immediately after scoring. On the post game radio, one of the talking heads said that it's the seventh time in the last 7 games that the CBJ have given up a goal within 2 minutes after scoring one. Not going to win too often doing that.
 

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Value wise, McQuaid alone has higher value than Savard, Prout, Goloubef... etc. He is severely underrated as a defenseman in the league. Sure, his point total is really really really low but look at his other stats/advanced stats. He has tremendous size, plays a physical game, is defensively sound in his own end. Lots of characteristics that deem him as underrated.

Mcquaid is not that good defensively, he's basically the other Dalton Prout.
 

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Re the cannon article:

I think the guy makes some good points. Our offensive system, if we really have one, sucks imo. If Richards is still here when Milano, Bjorkstrand, et al, (hopefully) get here i sure hope we don't decide they don't fit a la Gaborik and ship them out for a bag of pucks.

His point about Bob being out doesn't hold as much water this year as C-Mac has stepped up, at least this time around, and actually has better numbers than Bob on the season, albeit for fewer games.

The defense is sloppy, no doubt about that. Then again Wiz, JJ and Co. are not noted defensive stay at home specialist. is it coaching or is it the fact that the players are what they are?

I think Richard's gets a pass for this season due to the injuries and last year's successes. Next year will tell the tale as to whether or not he stays.
 

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Cody Goloubef is a good player

I haven't seen any evidence whatsoever of this, he isn't offensively gifted, he doesn't play physical, he gets pushed around in front of his own net and can't clear the crease. I don't want him in my top 6 of a healthy roster. And he won't be, there is a reason he's about 8th on the depth chart of one of the worst defenses in the NHL.
 

ca5150

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Re the cannon article:



The defense is sloppy, no doubt about that. Then again Wiz, JJ and Co. are not noted defensive stay at home specialist. is it coaching or is it the fact that the players are what they are?
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Unfortunately, I think it is just who they are, I would keep JJ and Savard for the sole reason they will hit someone and clear the crease and have a little offensive talent. The rest can go, Tyutin gives me heartburn watching him, as does Goloubef. I personally like Prout in a 6-7 role. Wiz is too slow and can't get his shots through anymore. Leopold looked slow and bad last night. Cotton has lost some luster with his offensive skills and is starting to lack in the defensive end. We are in trouble if we don't re-make the back end. Nobody talks about anything on here except forwards and that is NOT our problem, sure it would be nice to have another scoring threat to replace Horton, but we don't need it! We have a good set of forwards, the problem is and always has been, our defense has zero talent! We can't get a good breakout pass, we can't move it around the offensive zone because our D is so nervous with the puck and give it away non-stop. I guess it's because I grew up in Toledo watching the 80's and 90's Red Wings that I can see the difference between a talented defense and ours. The Red Wings were nothing until they started getting puck moving defense and some guys that were hard to play against, Lidstrom, Kronwall, Vladdy...


I think we should target Mike Green and/or maybe Tyler Myers
 

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Re the cannon article:

Meh; he didn't stat any facts. He just stated his recollection. Last year our 5 on 5 stats were infinitely better and there was a far more narrow shot differential. I don't really have much of an issue with most of his observations; but it was and non-researched opinion piece. It's more like talking to a friend at the bar. I like a lot of their stuff; but this one was a bit lazy. Most aren't going to be outstanding pieces; but if you're going to do a comparison piece - try and do some research. The team had some issues to be sure; but to lay it completely at the feet of Bob? Does this guy remember all the clutch 3 period goals to either finish the team off or to draw us even to get a point? Does he remember all the secondary scoring? One of the biggest issues is that no one stepped up and replaced Jenner's or AA's production. AA is waaaaay off from a pro-rated total from last season. We are about 16 goals shy of last years pace.

I hate this impression that we are a dump and chase team. Ever team dumps and chases the puck when you have to. We carry the puck into the zone a lot more than we used to. I don't see our forecheck and how we enter the zone as a problem.

Last night I made some observations.

#1. Puck management was terrible. Too many mental and careless mistakes with the puck.
#2. Gap control was terrible. Too much space given in the neutral and defensive zone.
#3. Richards didn't plunk Savard's ass at the end of the bench like he should have. He had a horrific game, goal aside. I don't know if he simply likes to give players a chance to redeem during the game or if he simply doesn't see the issue during them - or worse; doesn't think it's an adjustment he should make. When players have an off night he doesn't manage their minutes.
#4. Lots of mental mistakes leading to rushes the other direction. When you are D and you have two men coming at you; head back. Don't like them chip the puck past you leaving Savard to manage a 2-1. Instead of playing the pass; Savard tried to play both snow angel style. Lucky for Savard and the Jackets - CMac kicked the blocker out and got it. An elevation and that puck was in the net. Great save by CMac; but the book is out on Savard. Until he adjusts he's going to give up a lot of scoring chances.
5. Last night CMac wasn't all that sharp IMHO; I would have pulled him after the 2nd goal. We all know I don't have an issue with CMac and there isn't a coach in the league that would have. That's why I'm not a coach. Having said that, the team was playing like crap in front of him and he's just getting used to this type of workload. To me it was an adjustment I would have made to give him the rest of the night off when the team was, obviously, playing like ass.
 
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DarkandStormy

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^It's a "fan post," so it's just a commenter posting his thoughts.

I tend to agree. Where has Richards' "system" really worked? Last year to an extent. But with the skilled guys coming up in the pipeline, he doesn't seem like a coach who can switch things up to match the players he has.

When Corey Tropp and Jared Boll are in your top 12, you don't have a good set of forwards. Still need a top 6 upgrade and to figure out the deal with the Atkinverts - staying or going? I like our centers and Foligno and Hartsy, but that's about it.
 

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As I have said in the past, Bob has hidden of lot of weaknesses on this team. What we saw last night was pretty much our team, there's a couple injuries with Wiz and Boone, but they wouldnt have changed anything last night. We really arent a good team at all, LA looked like the Stanley Cup champs they are, but theyre even having an off year and they made us look like an AHL team. JK better step up and show some actual GM skill this offseason,
 

ca5150

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Meh; he didn't stat any facts. He just stated his recollection. Last year our 5 on 5 stats were infinitely better and there was a far more narrow shot differential. I don't really have much of an issue with most of his observations; but it was and non-researched opinion piece. It's more like talking to a friend at the bar. I like a lot of their stuff; but this one was a bit lazy. Most aren't going to be outstanding pieces; but if you're going to do a comparison piece - try and do some research. The team had some issues to be sure; but to lay it completely at the feet of Bob? Does this guy remember all the clutch 3 period goals to either finish the team off or to draw us even to get a point? Does he remember all the secondary scoring? One of the biggest issues is that no one stepped up and replaced Jenner's or AA's production. AA is waaaaay off from a pro-rated total from last season. We are about 16 goals shy of last years pace.

I hate this impression that we are a dump and chase team. Ever team dumps and chases the puck when you have to. We carry the puck into the zone a lot more than we used to. I don't see our forecheck and how we enter the zone as a problem.

Last night I made some observations.

#1. Puck management was terrible. Too many mental and careless mistakes with the puck.
#2. Gap control was terrible. Too much space given in the neutral and defensive zone.
#3. Richards didn't plunk Savard's ass at the end of the bench like he should have. He had a horrific game, goal aside. I don't know if he simply likes to give players a chance to redeem during the game or if he simply doesn't see the issue during them - or worse; doesn't think it's an adjustment he should make. When players have an off night he doesn't manage their minutes.
#4. Lots of mental mistakes leading to rushes the other direction. When you are D and you have two men coming at you; head back. Don't like them chip the puck past you leaving Savard to manage a 2-1. Instead of playing the pass; Savard tried to play both snow angel style. Lucky for Savard and the Jackets - CMac kicked the blocker out and got it. An elevation and that puck was in the net. Great save by CMac; but the book is out on Savard. Until he adjusts he's going to give up a lot of scoring chances.
5. Last night CMac wasn't all that sharp IMHO; I would have pulled him after the 2nd goal. We all know I don't have an issue with CMac and there isn't a coach in the league that would have. That's why I'm not a coach. Having said that, the team was playing like crap in front of him and he's just getting used to this type of workload. To me it was an adjustment I would have made to give him the rest of the night off when the team was, obviously, playing like ass.

I thought Cmac was outstanding and the only reason it wasn't 9-3. The first 3 goals were all passes and slam dunks because of our soft defense. I don't put that game on Cmac, he made plenty of big saves and they had what, 45 shots?
 

ca5150

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^It's a "fan post," so it's just a commenter posting his thoughts.

I tend to agree. Where has Richards' "system" really worked? Last year to an extent. But with the skilled guys coming up in the pipeline, he doesn't seem like a coach who can switch things up to match the players he has.

When Corey Tropp and Jared Boll are in your top 12, you don't have a good set of forwards. Still need a top 6 upgrade and to figure out the deal with the Atkinverts - staying or going? I like our centers and Foligno and Hartsy, but that's about it.

Good grief....put LA's defense with our forwards and we would be in first in the Metro
 

Forepar

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C-Mac playing ok, better than in November, but to me rebound control problems remain.

No part of CBJ played well last night, starting with D, but forwards and G not much better. On board with significant shake-up of D, but honestly, I wouldn't know who to jettison and who to keep - none are playing well, and Murray can't stay in the lineup long enough to make a difference (if healthy, I think he will be excellent top pair D). The rest of D - meh. I agree some O-Zone pressure would help, but for 5-10 minutes leading up to the RyJo-Hartnell goal (maybe prettiest goal of the year), I had just texted my daughter that we hadn't successfully completed 2 passes in succession. And that starts with the D, but admittedly doesn't end there.

LAK are defending SCC, but they aren't that fearsome right now. They out-executed us because their D is better at getting offense started. I expected a better effort from CBJ. Still think "season over" hangover continues when CBJ gets behind or gives up the "immediate after goal - goal." (IAGG or eegads, not sure which I prefer). Think the 4pt weekend instilled a little false hope in a few (players, not just posters) that they've still got a shot. They don't (this coming from the poster who started the 93/94 pt thread a month ago). And every loss like last night adds another player (or two) to the list of those for whom reality has begun to set in. I'd add RyJo to the list last night - not a critique of his play or effort, just his reaction post-game. He was sad and resigned - typically a loss might tick him off or at least he's focused on "next game." When every game means everything, and you lose it, the next game just doesn't mean a whole lot. They will have other things to play for (pride, the fans, just getting better), but none of those will matter much, if at all, until the hangover is done. And for some, the hangover may not begin/end until factually mathematically eliminated. Makes for a schizo lockerroom and not just the Boards, as players go through the process at different speeds. Players had SCF on their minds all summer and camp...to not make playoffs is beyond their worst nightmare as players. Injuries primary reason, but the injuries also exposed weaknesses - D is weak, depth not as well-developed as thought, G situation unsettled if Bob not healthy (and he was Vezina Bob only in December, not Jan prior to injury). More building to do. And that realization sucks with 2 months left in the season.
 

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