GDT: Game 5: Golden Knights at Coyotes (#3 of 4) - 7PM - FSA+

[Jakey53]

Fischer is playing better than ever imo. Hustling all over the place, hitting and even on the PK now. I was down on him last year but he is playing a lot better now. No reason to bench him.

Fischer is playing better, but still only a fourth liner.

I agree. Hes been effective, maybe the highlight on the 4th line imo. Hitting more than Crouse this season with less TOI.

Crouse had his best game of the year, looked like the player of last year. Fischer is hitting, but love tap hitting, not jaw dropping hitting, but still playing in the right direction. Remember, Fischer was third in hits on the team last year and most wanted him traded.

 

[Jakey53]

You guys are funny when it comes to Demers/Goose. Both are a year older and being asked to take tougher minutes with OEL, our only top pairing D out. They are getting much tougher assignments, while both are 4D at best now.

I'm glad we won, we looked much better but I think Vegas let off the throttle after 2 straight wins. We'll see a more motivated Vegas team next game.

Demers played top minutes last year. Just shows you how much OEL does to make Demers look good. Gogo is making mental mistakes right now, and that can be corrected, but he has been absolutely excellent on the PK. Not sure where you get that Demers is getting tougher assignments as his TOI is the least of any regular D.

 

[rt]

Fischer is playing better than ever imo. Hustling all over the place, hitting and even on the PK now. I was down on him last year but he is playing a lot better now. No reason to bench him.

I agree completely with everything other than your last sentence. The reason is that Hayden was better, that’s all.

 

[AvsFanInMichigan]

Are you guys wearing Kachina full time?

 

[Heldig]

Watched intermittently, Hayton was playing C with Keller and Kessel ? Was that a line the whole game?

 

[RemoAZ]

Watched intermittently, Hayton was playing C with Keller and Kessel ? Was that a line the whole game?

Yep

 

[justin323032]

Not defending Goose but definitely some irony in folks wanting back Yands whose defensive game is even worse.

Even more ironically it's Goligoski's offensive game that is costing us. How many giveaways did he have last night?

He had the first flub shot/pass that immediately turned a breakaway. He also passed it right to the Knights on our own PP in the middle of the ice that turned into a breakaway (contested). I can also recall him collecting the puck along the defensive boards and just floating a pass to our slot, intercepted with a high quality look that Kemps saved.

His defensive coverage is about as bad as Demers and Hammer (this year), but worst yet has been his offensive execution when he actually has the puck.

 

[WrinkledPossum]

Are you guys wearing Kachina full time?

Yup. Not wearing the Reds at home this year. Only black and purple Kachina. Guessing next season the white kachinas will return.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

Demers played top minutes last year. Just shows you how much OEL does to make Demers look good. Gogo is making mental mistakes right now, and that can be corrected, but he has been absolutely excellent on the PK. Not sure where you get that Demers is getting tougher assignments as his TOI is the least of any regular D.

Deniers
Spent what? Eight minutes in the box?

 

[AvsFanInMichigan]

Yup. Not wearing the Reds at home this year. Only black and purple Kachina. Guessing next season the white kachinas will return.

That would be great 90s me loves that idea. Those were the best jerseys for the Yotes. keep the RR for the 3rd.

 

[PainForShane]

To me this looks like Garland did try to chip it up the boards, although blindly. He likely sensed Theodore coming right behind him. Garland really wasn't open.

Goose looks at the VGK when he's still in front of the net. Then puts his head down and sends it blindly up the boards. He had time, he didn't have to panic.

Goligoski had all the time in the world there and made a shitty play. That's on him. He has to know VGK forecheckers are waiting on his outlet forward.

He has been doing no look backwards passes every game this year, sometimes into the slot.

Park him.

No, that's not correct. Here's another replay with slightly better resolution:



Pause it right around the 22 second mark, which shows a better angle unfortunately just after the turnover, not during. Notice the daylight between Theodore and the boards. Also notice where Theodore gets the puck (pretty much right on his stick) because Garland blindly centered it for some reason. If Garland had tried to chip it up the boards like a normal winger in that situation, a) it would have been cleared (again, notice the space between Theodore and the boards) and there's no way Theodore would have been able to handle it that cleanly going in the direction he was (puck would've been bouncing around, Theodore's momentum would've been toward the boards instead of toward the slot etc).

Theodore's also a left handed shot -- if you want to explain the physics of Garland clearing a puck along the boards (to Theodore's right) and the puck coming directly to Theodore's forehand on Theo's left (with Theo having full control) have fun with that.

Re: Goose, if you see his stick / follow through, he cleared it up the boards below the goal line to a lower danger area on the half wall. Even if Garland's not open that's still the right play because he had maybe a half second before he's hit by #20 while he's facing the boards e.g., no time to settle puck down / make a real pass. D-men make plays like that hundreds of times a game and it is the right play every time.

I didn't see the game (superstition as I mentioned in real-time), and maybe Goligoski had a bad game I don't know. In general I also really like Connor Garland and unlike some members here don't have a strong opinion on Goose -- imo he's one of our better offensive defensemen (at least he tries) and also does some dumb things in the D-zone sometimes -- but this was not one of those times

 

[Sm00chy]

Top 10 offense as of right now.

With 3 out of the 5 games against what most consider a Stanley Cup contender. Not bad

 

[Coyotedroppings]

No, that's not correct. Here's another replay with slightly better resolution:



Pause it right around the 22 second mark, which shows a better angle unfortunately just after the turnover, not during. Notice the daylight between Theodore and the boards. Also notice where Theodore gets the puck (pretty much right on his stick) because Garland blindly centered it for some reason. If Garland had tried to chip it up the boards like a normal winger in that situation, a) it would have been cleared (again, notice the space between Theodore and the boards) and there's no way Theodore would have been able to handle it that cleanly going in the direction he was (puck would've been bouncing around, Theodore's momentum would've been toward the boards instead of toward the slot etc).

Theodore's also a left handed shot -- if you want to explain the physics of Garland clearing a puck along the boards (to Theodore's right) and the puck coming directly to Theodore's forehand on Theo's left (with Theo having full control) have fun with that.

Re: Goose, if you see his stick / follow through, he cleared it up the boards below the goal line to a lower danger area on the half wall. Even if Garland's not open that's still the right play because he had maybe a half second before he's hit by #20 while he's facing the boards e.g., no time to settle puck down / make a real pass. D-men make plays like that hundreds of times a game and it is the right play every time.

I didn't see the game (superstition as I mentioned in real-time), and maybe Goligoski had a bad game I don't know. In general I also really like Connor Garland and unlike some members here don't have a strong opinion on Goose -- imo he's one of our better offensive defensemen (at least he tries) and also does some dumb things in the D-zone sometimes -- but this was not one of those times

Thanks for explaining it to ‘em. I was shaking my head between periods at the game last night, reading the takes that Goligoski screwed the pooch, when it was all Garland. Happened right in front of me.

 

[WrinkledPossum]

No, that's not correct. Here's another replay with slightly better resolution:



Pause it right around the 22 second mark, which shows a better angle unfortunately just after the turnover, not during. Notice the daylight between Theodore and the boards. Also notice where Theodore gets the puck (pretty much right on his stick) because Garland blindly centered it for some reason. If Garland had tried to chip it up the boards like a normal winger in that situation, a) it would have been cleared (again, notice the space between Theodore and the boards) and there's no way Theodore would have been able to handle it that cleanly going in the direction he was (puck would've been bouncing around, Theodore's momentum would've been toward the boards instead of toward the slot etc).

Theodore's also a left handed shot -- if you want to explain the physics of Garland clearing a puck along the boards (to Theodore's right) and the puck coming directly to Theodore's forehand on Theo's left (with Theo having full control) have fun with that.

Re: Goose, if you see his stick / follow through, he cleared it up the boards below the goal line to a lower danger area on the half wall. Even if Garland's not open that's still the right play because he had maybe a half second before he's hit by #20 while he's facing the boards e.g., no time to settle puck down / make a real pass. D-men make plays like that hundreds of times a game and it is the right play every time.

I didn't see the game (superstition as I mentioned in real-time), and maybe Goligoski had a bad game I don't know. In general I also really like Connor Garland and unlike some members here don't have a strong opinion on Goose -- imo he's one of our better offensive defensemen (at least he tries) and also does some dumb things in the D-zone sometimes -- but this was not one of those times

Garlands stick moves towards his backhand. I don't know if it rolled off his stick weirdly to get to Theodore's stick, or took a weird bounce of his skate or the boards.

Goligoski forced Garland into a bad situation. He had zero patience. Sensed danger was 5 feet away and blindly chipped it up the boards. That's fine in minor hockey but he's in the NHL.

Compare his play to Soderstrom who showed patience with the puck.

There was one play on the PP where Soderstrom was alone near the blue line, no immediate help with a Knight skating towards. In that situation Goose would immediately weakly chip it up the boards where our guy isn't in a good position to win a puck battle.

Instead Soderstrom calmly stickhandled backwards and thought about what to do. I believe we maintained possession.

Goose is playing just to get by. Weak effort everywhere. His puck play bothers me the most. Either blatant turnovers or this stuff where he just wants the puck off his stick so he puts another guy in a bad situation where they're likely to turn the puck over.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

It was a routine play up the boards for Christ sake. Garland could have chipped, or even gone back to Goligoski with it.
Goligoski did not have a good game, but this play sure as hell wasn’t a contribution to that.

 

[PainForShane]

Garlands stick moves towards his backhand. I don't know if it rolled off his stick weirdly to get to Theodore's stick, or took a weird bounce of his skate or the boards.

Goligoski forced Garland into a bad situation. He had zero patience. Sensed danger was 5 feet away and blindly chipped it up the boards. That's fine in minor hockey but he's in the NHL.

Compare his play to Soderstrom who showed patience with the puck.

There was one play on the PP where Soderstrom was alone near the blue line, no immediate help with a Knight skating towards. In that situation Goose would immediately weakly chip it up the boards where our guy isn't in a good position to win a puck battle.

Instead Soderstrom calmly stickhandled backwards and thought about what to do. I believe we maintained possession.

Goose is playing just to get by. Weak effort everywhere. His puck play bothers me the most. Either blatant turnovers or this stuff where he just wants the puck off his stick so he puts another guy in a bad situation where they're likely to turn the puck over.

If you don't like Goose's play in general, I am not getting into that argument, as everyone knows I haven't had time to watch as many games this year.

But you obviously didn't watch the replay even though you had timestamps, that's on you. Are you sure you really want to argue that Garland tried to chip the puck up the boards on this play?



As you note, Garland's stick moves toward his backhand... because he made a blind, behind-the-back pass from a relatively low danger area to a higher danger area while in the D-zone. That's why this is such a horrible, horrible play.

P.S. And yes, if a D-man senses danger 5 feet away while below the defensive goal line then he is supposed to clear the puck up the boards. The last thing I want is someone showing patience below the goal line when he has time to make the simple (and good) play instead

 

[Jakey53]

Deniers
Spent what? Eight minutes in the box?

Through the first five games.

Thanks for explaining it to ‘em. I was shaking my head between periods at the game last night, reading the takes that Goligoski screwed the pooch, when it was all Garland. Happened right in front of me.

It just takes one Gogo hater and many follow suit. I agree, it was all Garland, and he knew it.

 

[rt]

If you don't like Goose's play in general, I am not getting into that argument, as everyone knows I haven't had time to watch as many games this year.

But you obviously didn't watch the replay even though you had timestamps, that's on you. Are you sure you really want to argue that Garland tried to chip the puck up the boards on this play?

As you note, Garland's stick moves toward his backhand... because he made a blind, behind-the-back pass from a relatively low danger area to a higher danger area while in the D-zone. That's why this is such a horrible, horrible play.

P.S. And yes, if a D-man senses danger 5 feet away while below the defensive goal line then he is supposed to clear the puck up the boards. The last thing I want is someone showing patience below the goal line when he has time to make the simple (and good) play instead

One thing I'll say about Goligoski and that play is that of Vegas' 8 best chances last night (including that play), I feel like Goligoski was on the for probably six or seven of them. Haha.

 

[Tom Polakis]

It was a routine play up the boards for Christ sake. Garland could have chipped, or even gone back to Goligoski with it.
Goligoski did not have a good game, but this play sure as hell wasn’t a contribution to that.

Agreed. I only watched the 10-minute highlight package, and Goligoski's signature bad plays were all over the place. That goal was not one of them, however. In Craig Morgan's game summary, he mentions that Garland knew it was a mistake, which he quickly made up for. You can see it in Garland's body language after Theodore scores.

 

[XX]

Multiple players can be at fault on a play or sequence. Goligoski was making soft no look passes all game, including into his own slot, often to nobody. That was just more of the same. That Garland got 'beat' or tried to play the puck in a bad situation is irrelevant to me because that soft ass suicide pass isn't NHL level defense. It looked even worse considering Soderstrom was showing more calm and poise all game than Goligoski, who straight up passed it to a Vegas player in front of him at one point.

 

[GiveAFlyingPuck]

Goligoski is using these early games as Da Beauty League replacement.

 

[RemoAZ]

Check out the quick interview with Soderstrom at the end. Kid is as cool and confident as he was on the ice. You can tell this is not too big for him. He's ready to play full time imo.

 

[moosemeister]

RTs interviews have actually been good this year too. He actually sounds like he might know what he’s talking about.

 

[Jakey53]

Multiple players can be at fault on a play or sequence. Goligoski was making soft no look passes all game, including into his own slot, often to nobody. That was just more of the same. That Garland got 'beat' or tried to play the puck in a bad situation is irrelevant to me because that soft ass suicide pass isn't NHL level defense. It looked even worse considering Soderstrom was showing more calm and poise all game than Goligoski, who straight up passed it to a Vegas player in front of him at one point.

Gogo has not been good this year, but that play was all on Garland.

 

[SCT]

Check out the quick interview with Soderstrom at the end. Kid is as cool and confident as he was on the ice. You can tell this is not too big for him. He's ready to play full time imo.

They sheltered his minutes where he was put into good situations. We will see a true test tomorrow with Vegas again.