And Laf still has more points than Kakko.
Kakko is much better than last season, when he was arguably the worst forward in the NHL, but the guy fumbles the puck away like a 4th liner. Hopefully, he takes a major step forward again, next season.
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And Laf still has more points than Kakko.
Kakko is much better than last season, when he was arguably the worst forward in the NHL, but the guy fumbles the puck away like a 4th liner. Hopefully, he takes a major step forward again, next season.
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So, just to be clear, if Colin Blackwell is averaging more TOI than Laf, Kakko, and Kravtsov next season, you will feel OK calling Quinn out on it? Or maybe management since they are ultimately accountable in the construct you evaluate things in?
I personally think that Blackwell being better than those guys right now isn't enough to warrant him getting more playing time given how critical those three are to the future of the team, but if it's happening again next year, I'd hope we'd be able to reach broad consensus that something is very wrong.
Why wouldn’t the best players be happy? He plays them till they drop and gives them all the PP time. See if Laf, kakko, chytil and kravtsov are happy with him!
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haha, I will say ever since the vaccine Fox has looked out of it, in my opinion at least. Probably got hit pretty hard with the side effects?
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As you say everyone knew this team has no business in the playoffs. Yet we got a head coach who went for a glory run regardless of reality and wasted a year. The idea that the playoffs were more important than improving the team this season was stupid. It's the blatant incompetency that's annoying, not missing the playoffs as such.
Now Quinn failed to improve the team AND he missed the playoffs. This guy is weak in the playoffs and he can't build a coherent team. So what's the point?
No doubt this dummy will need yet another training wheel (yet another coach) attached to him to keep him rolling along. It's time for management to realize what the fundamental problem is rather than keep propping up a mistake.
That's the fun part. There's always the next season. No doubt the kids will have grown a bit over the off season, maybe a vet or two will have been added, the real question remains how much of an obstacle the Quinn merry-go-round will be.
Forunately I have great faith in the development coaches and off season training. I'm sure the kids will take great strides and be stronger next season.
In the end, it's up to management.
The only complaints we heard about from players were from Lemieux and ADA. They're gone. That should tell you that at least so far, management is fine with Quinn. Obviously that could change.
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I disagree that he wasted a year. If the kids have a larger role and blossom next year and the team makes the playoffs, then this season wasn't a waste. That would mean the franchise is on schedule. If that doesn't happen, you'll probably be right. I'm betting it works out.
The idea that he's weak in the playoffs is nonsense. We have no idea what he is. They got bounced by an elite team that I placed a bet on to win the Cup this season. That is an extremely good team.
Your statement is based on one playoff series. To me, it's absurd to draw your conclusions from that.
You're also forgetting that Quinn has been coaching in a way that management approves, whether it turns out to be right or wrong. Otherwise, he already would have been canned. You also have to understand, and management does, that coaches try to win in order to preserve their job. It's just the way it is.
Next season is the one management has been pointing to, to hopefully begin the ascent into contention. Whether Quinn is here or not, I think it's going to work out. This team will be set everywhere except perhaps at center, but my guess is that the logjam at the wing opens with a center coming back in exchange for a wing or wings.
Edit: Unless Chytil proves himself worthy of top-6. I think it could happen.
I think that too many fans accepted that this was about where we would end up, but now they're unhappy. Then again, fans forget about realistic expectations once play starts.
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This is pretty much exactly how I feel. I ultimately don’t hate Quinn as much because it’s definitely true that the front office has a say in the approach. I also respect alternative views and admit i may be wrong.
The thing I fail to understand, though, is how people like you and me get slandered for wanting “instant gratification” somehow for wanting to see more from the kids. We are advocating for exactly the opposite.
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Btw after all the bickering in here and complaining, does anyone here think we arent a really strong team next year? I wouldn't be surprised if we were top 5 in the league.
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I mean, that’s a huge jump. A lot would have to go right in order for that to happen.
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I think they’re a great PP team. Playmakers in Giroux, Voracek. Shooters in Ghost, Voracek, and a top 5 net front player in the league in JVR with D men who aren’t afraid to rip it
Sure, I don't hate Quinn - I see him as the guy on the bench for games, the real decisions are made by JD, Gorton and Drury with some input from Quinn and the coaches no doubt. I'm probably on the far end of the patience scale compared to most. If he turns it around, FANTASTIC.
I'd prefer to see a stable foundation laid regarding on ice strategy and tactics, patience and development of the kids on an individual but also platform basis. A lot of it seems to be there, scouting, development etc, but the on ice product under Quinn is a mess. I want the FO to fix that. Look at Tampa, Colorado, Carolina etc each have an instantly recognizable identity and approach, they keep producing up and coming players that fit right into their system and philosophy. They've built their foundation from within. No doubt JD and Gorton are working to get there. I hope their short terms moves this summer reflects this, and most importantly their long term decisions.
I'm harping on Quinn because this flailing between playoffs/no playoffs, vets/kids, Feast/Famine is the absence of the stable platform the organization needs to develop. The long term is more important than flash in the pan Cinderella playoff run with a flawed team, while no doubt entertaining in itself a proper team has a better shot, see Tampa eg.
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I think next season is a let down year and maybe even possibly an ugly year. After that though, I think the team will be better prepared to make some noise in the playoffs. This next season is going to be a transition year as the kids take over more of the workload. They've been highly insulated so far so it's a coin flip on how they'll handle that pressure. On the other hand, the cap space that opens up will allow us to sign some good role players to take over the bottom six instead of the hodgepodge lines we have there now so that could add a stabilizing presence to the roster.
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Of course it is, but a good coach helps a young player along their development path
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We’re a top 5-10 team NOW. That’s why fans are angry. We shouldn’t be this low in the standings, but because of stupidity from Quinn and the FO, we’re missing the playoffs again in a crucial year. I don’t know if that’s better or worse than just being a bad team.
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So then we can trade him for Ekholm and then complain about Ekholm.
