Post-Game Talk: GAME 42 - Fishsticks 5 BRUINS 4 OT

bruins19

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I imagine they have him PK mainly which is the last thing the Bruins should want.

What a farce of a tournament. Hoping the ratings are terrible and this is never done again. Lazy effort. Players will be injured.
Maybe I am a curmudgeon, but the 4 Nations tournament is a meaningless mid-season tournament that will tie up and risk injury to NHL players. I do not see the value in it. Seems like a gimmick where bragging rights are the only payoff.
 

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The team has scored 8 goals in the last two games and lost them both.
4 goals is enough to win a hockey game. They just allowed 5, and 6 the game before.
With McDavid and company up next. Woof!

Hope Sweeney doesn’t panic and start trading away their first round picks.

What is going on with H Lindholm? Are they still saying the lower body crap.
Broken knee cap I believe.
 

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You know I was just thinking that yesterday. Sweeney has a far from perfect record, but he's generally been able to land a few wins each season, and he's had a knack for burying his mistakes largely out of sight. Always done enough to keep the team pretty safely in the hunt and fulfil the owners' basic expectations.

Not this year. Lindholm underwhelms, Zadorov is not horrible but certainly not worth his contract so far, the Sway situation was a mess that still lingers in some sense, Korpi has done ok all things considered, but again that contract is not looking pretty even with the money retained, signed Jones then both Johnson and Wahlstrom only to have two be a bust and the other heading that way already, fired the coach and the 'new' guy is trying but has a definite and not very high ceiling, especially with this roster. Kastelic is the only clear win and even then, much as I've enjoyed his play, he remains a capable 4th-liner and nothing more. Nothing else has worked out.

I wonder what Don makes of all this. It's largely unfamiliar territory for his plans to fall this far short. And most importantly, how does he react?
Has Lindholm underwhelmed though?

He’s basically on pace to match his production from last season.

I do agree with you on the Zadorov contract.
 
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Well I believe we should just go through the motions for the rest of the season. Nobody is going to give us much in player trades, do not trade our 1st round and admit it DS you have f***ed up. We have a way too much cap space allotted for the long term on players that are not getting the job done.

You have got a real mess now DS disposing of 13 mil cap space for very little in return just this past summer.
 
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This team is schizophrenic. One game they look like world beaters: smart, accurate passes & shots on goal, everybody knowing their assignments in defensive situations and just in general with the program. The next game they look like cellar dwellers: stupid passes, weak shots any competent NHL goaltender can stop, mass confusion on defense and in general looking like they've never played hockey before, never mind played hockey together.

Something is very wrong here. There has to be a reason or reasons for the inconsistency which has plagued this team the entire season. Damned if I know what it is though.
 

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With wins increasingly hard to manufacture, the Bruins nipped at the edges of one Sunday night, came within a Brad Marchand overtime slapper of putting away 2 points, only to be sent skittering down Causeway Street six seconds later on Bo Horvat’s breakaway goal that handed the Islanders a 5-4 OT win over the beleaguered Black and Gold.

Meet the midseason 2024-25 Bruins: Team Sisyphus, each night pushing the puck uphill, only to be crushed by the 6 ounces of vulcanized rubber. It was their season-high fourth consecutive loss (0-3-1), and it snapped their six-game winning streak on home ice.

“I look at it half-full, considering the circumstance tonight,” mused coach Joe Sacco, his club without a win since a 4-0 whitewashing of the Blue Jackets on Dec. 28, “and being down a couple of goals (twice) and fighting back in the third. It’s a sign of resilience. We would have liked to capture that extra point in OT, but … ”

In their four losses, beginning New Year’s Eve in Washington, the Bruins held but two brief leads — for 10:44 against the Capitals, and then only 21 seconds vs. the Islanders Sunday.

Otherwise, the Bruins chased, chased, and chased their opponents. The Capitals, Rangers, Maple Leafs, and Islanders amassed 190:33 lead time in the four games. Fighting uphill, with down results.

“I’ve said before, you don’t want to play catch-up hockey — it’s hard in this league,” said Sacco, first noting that Cole Koepke provided the Bruins with the oh-so-brief lead in the first. “It’s a very difficult thing to do.”

Behind by a goal after two periods, the Bruins fell behind, 4-2, early in the third on Anders Lee’s second goal of the night, before David Pastrnak struck for a pair to knot it, 4-4.

Pastrnak also scored a pair the night before in the 6-4 loss in Toronto. If there is a way out of their malaise, it looks like it will have to be at the working end of No. 88’s stick, which was uncharacteristically cold in the first half of the season.

Nothing better defines a struggling power play — a bugaboo for the Bruins all season — than a power play that plays directly into the opposition’s hands. The Bruins are now a woeful 0-for-10 on the man advantage across the last six games.
10 PPs in 6 games?

Is the league trending back to the norm or are the Bruins creating so few chances?

Early in the season every game seemed to have 4-8 PPs.
 

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In the next year or so, they need a new “turning point in franchise history”.

I’ve lived during at least 4 of them.


Bourque
Bergeron emergence

or draft a guy who far outperforms expectations.

With 32 teams now, it's much harder to do via the draft.. Bourque's draft year was a two year draft (DOB 1959\1960). In a normal one year draft, Bourque wouldn't have been there for Boston.

Even Bergeron was available because for some reason US NCAA players with '84 DOB weren't 2002 eligible,so you had '84 US NCAA players available for first time and it was a good year for US Players (Kesler\Parise 1st Round}.
 

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Still noteworthy if it's not the norm and due to the quality of play!

Even with 40 PPs the Bruins would have maybe 3 goals regardless.
I can’t really think of any games where Boston deserved a few more pp opportunities than they got

If they had played well for these first 40ish games, losing tight ones where they put themselves in a position to get a win, and still weren’t getting powerplays, i might be upset

But they suck. Period.
 

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With 32 teams now, it's much harder to do via the draft.. Bourque's draft year was a two year draft (DOB 1959\1960). In a normal one year draft, Bourque wouldn't have been there for Boston.

Even Bergeron was available because for some reason US NCAA players with '84 DOB weren't 2002 eligible,so you had '84 US NCAA players available for first time and it was a good year for US Players (Kesler\Parise 1st Round}.

Interesting --- I wasn't aware of either of those things --

Thanks!
 

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It really was a one-line show. Pasta's was 12-5 in the 5v5 shot count, and of course they scored twice. The rest were miserable. The corsi figures were 25% for Lindholm's line, 36% for Freddy's, and 12.5% for Kastelic's, with respective shot counts of 4-9, 3-9 and and 1-5. They all had xGF below 38%. At least Brazeau and Koepke potted goals. Lindholm and co only had the 2 against.

Tired legs on a back-to-back against a fresher opponent plus coming off a road trip offers a partial excuse. But with such a significant need for points and to stop the skid it was still an unacceptably poor effort from most. The 3rd period rally was something positive but the rest was just more of the same mediocre stuff we've seen so much of this season.

Yes, it did look like the back-to-back tired leg effect was at work. Many lazy plays, "passes to space". I love that terminology. Half the time it's used I think it was just another terrible Bruins pass.

I really didn't like the idea of changing up the D pairings. McAvoy & Zadorov had been working well until the Toronto game. It seems that Sacco panicked as he was running out of different things to try to get these guys going.
 

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Well... too little, too late. That structure and discipline we saw early in the Sacco era seems to be all but gone. Granted, Korpisalo struggled. Everything looked difficult for him. Way too easy for the Islanders to get good looks in the middle of the ice.

Pastrnak looked good the last two periods. Actually strong enough to win a few battles. Not surprised he scored.

I was in favor going "all in" on the heavy/hard to play against group. Major backfire though. They don't play heavy and they aren't hard to play against... They are just bigger, slower and less good in just about every aspect....

To me a significant issue are the D Corp, LD since #27 out, completely turned over and not nearly as good defensively. Then the RD, with the significant drop in play of
#73\#25 is killing tem.

Then add the drop in play In net from last year and those two issues make the drop in production of 13, 88, 18 and 28 expected production along with #74\43
absence 50\50 at best for making the PO.
 
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Maybe I am a curmudgeon, but the 4 Nations tournament is a meaningless mid-season tournament that will tie up and risk injury to NHL players. I do not see the value in it. Seems like a gimmick where bragging rights are the only payoff.

I've always enjoyed country vs country tournaments like this. Was planning to go to this one until I saw the ticket prices.
 
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Maybe I am a curmudgeon, but the 4 Nations tournament is a meaningless mid-season tournament that will tie up and risk injury to NHL players. I do not see the value in it. Seems like a gimmick where bragging rights are the only payoff.
Not sure but I think it was Paul Bissonette (or Whitney) who said the same thing on their Podcast. I don't listen to them too much because it's like eating raw oysters before you go fishing at 4 am. Too much, just too much.
 
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With 32 teams now, it's much harder to do via the draft.. Bourque's draft year was a two year draft (DOB 1959\1960). In a normal one year draft, Bourque wouldn't have been there for Boston.

Even Bergeron was available because for some reason US NCAA players with '84 DOB weren't 2002 eligible,so you had '84 US NCAA players available for first time and it was a good year for US Players (Kesler\Parise 1st Round}.
IIRC Bourque was drafted with the pick that came from trading Ron Grahame?
These kinds of trades were the thing of lore.
Canadiens did it multiple times, Harry Sinden saw the writing on
the wall and moved Grahame and moved on Bourque.
I thought Sinden was a jerk for trading Grahame but
it turned out just the opposite. That crow tasted great until
the year 2000.
 

Dennis Bonvie

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10 PPs in 6 games?

Is the league trending back to the norm or are the Bruins creating so few chances?

Early in the season every game seemed to have 4-8 PPs.
Yes, it seems obvious the league is really trying to "let 'em play" more often than not. All around the league you see games with very few (or any) penalties called. It's a real benefit to the Bruins, who suck at both PP and PK. If the Islanders didn't challenge the Bruins first goal and give them a power play, the B's probably win that game.
 

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Yes, it seems obvious the league is really trying to "let 'em play" more often than not. All around the league you see games with very few (or any) penalties called. It's a real benefit to the Bruins, who suck at both PP and PK. If the Islanders didn't challenge the Bruins first goal and give them a power play, the B's probably win that game.
somehow, in a really sad way, this might be true
 

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To me a significant issue are the D Corp, LD since #27 out, completely turned over and not nearly as good defensively. Then the RD, with the significant drop in play of
#73\#25 is killing tem.

Then add the drop in play In net from last year and those two issues make the drop in production of 13, 88, 18 and 28 expected production along with #74\43
absence 50\50 at best for making the PO.

Who's 74?

Who's 43?
 

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