Post-Game Talk: Game 42: Another third period collapse and Bruins lose 3-2

[Elmer]

OK name 80?

Erik Karlsson
Brent Burns
John Klingberg
Justin Faulk
Oliver Ekman-Larsson
Roman Josi
Ryan Suter 2
Brent Seabrook
Tyson Barrie
P.K. Subban
Rasmus Ristolainen
John Carlson
Shea Weber
Mark Giordano
Kevin Shattenkirk
Duncan Keith
Drew Doughty
Dustin Byfuglien
Victor Hedman
Keith Yandle
Francois Beauchemin
Jake Muzzin
TJ Brodie
Andrei Markov
Sami Vatanen
Torey Krug
Ryan McDonagh
Anton Stralman
Alex Goligoski
Dionne Phaneuf
Aaron Ekblad
Jared Spurgeon
Morgan Rielly
Marc-Edouard Vlasic
Alex Pietrangelo
Dennis Wideman
Alexander Edler
Ryan Ellis
Tyler Myers
Michael Stone
Matt Niskanen
Colton Parayko
Dougie Hamilton
Justin Braun
Erik Johnson
Shayne Gostisbeher
Andrej Sekera
Mattias Ekholm
Nick Holden
Niklas Kronwall
David Savard
Alec Martinez
Dmitry Orlov
Mike Green
Nick Leddy
Dan Boyle
Johnny Oduya
Jason Demers
Johnny Boychuk
Jake Gardiner
Brian Campbell
Jack Johnson
Jeff Petry
Ryan Murray
Cody Franson
Marek Zidlicky
Karl Alzner
Niklas Hjalmarsson
Oscar Klefbom
Cam Fowler
Nathan Beaulieu
Kris Russell
Seth Jones
Marco Scandella
Matt Dumba
Mark Streit
Olli Maatta
Ron Hainsey
Michael Del Zotto
Dan Girardi
Connor Murphy

 

[sarge88]

Erik Karlsson
Brent Burns
John Klingberg
Justin Faulk
Oliver Ekman-Larsson
Roman Josi
Ryan Suter 2
Brent Seabrook
Tyson Barrie
P.K. Subban
Rasmus Ristolainen
John Carlson
Shea Weber
Mark Giordano
Kevin Shattenkirk
Duncan Keith
Drew Doughty
Dustin Byfuglien
Victor Hedman
Keith Yandle
Francois Beauchemin
Jake Muzzin
TJ Brodie
Andrei Markov
Sami Vatanen
Torey Krug
Ryan McDonagh
Anton Stralman
Alex Goligoski
Dionne Phaneuf
Aaron Ekblad
Jared Spurgeon
Morgan Rielly
Marc-Edouard Vlasic
Alex Pietrangelo
Dennis Wideman
Alexander Edler
Ryan Ellis
Tyler Myers
Michael Stone
Matt Niskanen
Colton Parayko
Dougie Hamilton
Justin Braun
Erik Johnson
Shayne Gostisbeher
Andrej Sekera
Mattias Ekholm
Nick Holden
Niklas Kronwall
David Savard
Alec Martinez
Dmitry Orlov
Mike Green
Nick Leddy
Dan Boyle
Johnny Oduya
Jason Demers
Johnny Boychuk
Jake Gardiner
Brian Campbell
Jack Johnson
Jeff Petry
Ryan Murray
Cody Franson
Marek Zidlicky
Karl Alzner
Niklas Hjalmarsson
Oscar Klefbom
Cam Fowler
Nathan Beaulieu
Kris Russell
Seth Jones
Marco Scandella
Matt Dumba
Mark Streit
Olli Maatta
Ron Hainsey
Michael Del Zotto
Dan Girardi
Connor Murphy

Disagree with Karlsson, Weber and Burns. Good list otherwise.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Courtesy shown to veterans is getting old. It's almost like the last 58 minutes didn't happen. Chara had nothing tonight. NOTHING. Reminded me of Recchi. Some nights you were just like... yeah.. not tonight old man. He was clearly spent as the clocked ticked down. Anyone in the lineup would have been a better choice with the extra man. Forward or D.

Bergeron and Marchand need to be better. Maybe now is a good time to call out the passengers Brad....

Kempainnen is not an NHL player right now. I know he's a Sweeney guy, but he needs to go away. Maybe some time in Providence would do good. No a chance he gets claimed on waivers, so no worries there. Should be him or Talbot. Not both.

You are 100% right as he can be sent down without waivers...

 

[FRANK CANNON]

You can easily because you've made up your mind against Chara.

You're also comparing two different things. You are presumably factoring age and potential with the 80 defensemen you'd somehow take before Chara. Now the Bruins... they're in the business to win. There aren't 80 defensemen in the NHL who are, right now, better than Chara. As much as some now hate Chara.

Name eigthy worse.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Chara 7mil next season and then 4mill year after?

Salary: $5M next year and $4M the year after.

Cap wise: $6.916667 next year and $4M the year after

 

[BB88]

Watching how Beaulieu got benched reminded me of Getzlaf benching last night, he was benched for 8mins for his brutal play and went on and assisted the game winner.

So when's the last time Julien has benched one of his vet guys?
I can't remember other than rookies.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Name eigthy worse.

You want me to name 80 defensemen who are worse than Chara? Do you think that is some type of challenge?!

Watching how Beaulieu got benched reminded me of Getzlaf benching last night, he was benched for 8mins for his brutal play and went on and assisted the game winner.

So when's the last time Julien has benched one of his vet guys?
I can't remember other than rookies.

Ryder, Talbot, there must be others.

 

[BB88]

Ryder, Talbot, there must be others.

I was looking for bit bigger names, regulars that play good minutes, that's not really promising list still.

 

[Pia8988]

I was looking for bit bigger names, regulars that play good minutes, that's not really promising list still.

He's benched Marchand for taking ****** penalties.

 

[Ogrim]

Watching how Beaulieu got benched reminded me of Getzlaf benching last night, he was benched for 8mins for his brutal play and went on and assisted the game winner.

So when's the last time Julien has benched one of his vet guys?
I can't remember other than rookies.

Nathan Beaulieu, seasoned veteran.

 

[TheReal13Linseman]

Sorry for the diversion, but your post made me think of this:

Well done; hard to put anything over on you astute Bruins LFers

So, your're saying this team is driven by two Birkenstock wearing lesbians with "save the whales" stickers on their bumpers?

Well, at least the functional equivalent thereof...

I drive Subarus.

Not that there's anything wrong with that, Wally.

 

[BB88]

He's benched Marchand for taking ****** penalties.

Has he this year?
Can't remember.

Nathan Beaulieu, seasoned veteran.

Getzlaf was my point and I would say he is.

 

[Pia8988]

Has he this year?
Can't remember.



Getzlaf was my point and I would say he is.

Always moving goal posts

 

[njbruin*]

I believe Chara's minutes actually have been trimmed back over the past 2-3 games, have they not?

Thing about this team right now, getting Krejci back will be huge. Not because he's so exponentially more talented than anyone else (though he, of course, is perhaps the most talented and creative player on the team) but because when he slots back in, everyone else can go back to their proper roles where they perform better.

Bergeron goes back to being the 1B centre (maybe it's a useless distinction, but the point is, we get our 2 top scoring lines back), Spooner goes back to being 3C, and whoever needs to get scratched (likely Kemp) gets scratched. The DK Ripple effect is a talent tsunami.

Without DK, this team is like a Subaru (what the heck, I'll go with the analogy) missing one wheel. It still operates if everyone leans together in one direction, but it's a strain on everyone, and even if it gets you home from work, it can't be sustained for a long journey. You're bound to get passed by other cars and probably you end up in the ditch.

Getting Krejci back adds the missing wheel, and stabilizes the whole thing.

While I agree with that premise , I'm having a hard time believing that missing 1 player should have that much of an impact. IMO Krejci is a key component not necessarily because of what he produces on the ice, but moreso because the coach seems to employ a different mindset when he's on the ice.

Julien , could load up two top lines(Marchy/Bergy/Loui) ( Beleskey/Spoons/Pasta) and a solid 4th(Talbot/Ferraro/Rinaldo-Randell) while using a diminished minutes 3rd of (Hayes/Koko-Vatrano/Connolly) . Instead he prefers to water down every line because he's missing his top center. He slots in Kemp, moves Ferraro up a line and plays the crap out of the 4th ( which thankfully has been playing well) . He's so deathly afraid of losing a 6-5 game he'll gladly sit by and watch the offense dump/chase/retreat so long as his team doesn't give up a 4/5/6 spot against.

Some will argue , its a lack of talent , but combinations of these same players produce better when Krejci is in the lineup - its not because Krejci is the magic man , its because the coach employs better line combinations .

I've said before I like the makeup of this team from a forward perspective and I still believe that. Unfortunately, any injury to one of our centers sends Claude into defensive line mode. Can this team be a playoff team - possibly but it will need at least 1 solid top 4 defender at the deadline and to use the younger corps of defenders more heavily ( Krug/C Miller/Morrow/Trotman). But most importantly it needs the coach to trust his offensive players and let them play knowing full well there are some nights when they'll give up a 5 spot.

 

[FRANK CANNON]

You want me to name 80 defensemen who are worse than Chara? Do you think that is some type of challenge?!

Lol

 

[nonoffensiveusername]

I was looking for bit bigger names, regulars that play good minutes, that's not really promising list still.

Phil Kessel.

 

[ChargersRookie]

Nathan Beaulieu, seasoned veteran.

That was a bad example.

 

[Odie]

I don't think Chara is bad. He's not as good as he used to be (which was the best defenseman in the league...), but the team around him isn't very good, especially with Krejci and McQuaid out. They're losing games because they're not scoring enough goals. They've scored more than two goals once in the past six games.

 

[Blowfish]

I don't think Chara is bad. He's not as good as he used to be (which was the best defenseman in the league...), but the team around him isn't very good, especially with Krejci and McQuaid out. They're losing games because they're not scoring enough goals. They've scored more than two goals once in the past six games.

Yet nothing changes other than moving a Hayes or a Connolly.

 

[ODAAT]

While I agree with that premise , I'm having a hard time believing that missing 1 player should have that much of an impact. IMO Krejci is a key component not necessarily because of what he produces on the ice, but moreso because the coach seems to employ a different mindset when he's on the ice.

Julien , could load up two top lines(Marchy/Bergy/Loui) ( Beleskey/Spoons/Pasta) and a solid 4th(Talbot/Ferraro/Rinaldo-Randell) while using a diminished minutes 3rd of (Hayes/Koko-Vatrano/Connolly) . Instead he prefers to water down every line because he's missing his top center. He slots in Kemp, moves Ferraro up a line and plays the crap out of the 4th ( which thankfully has been playing well) . He's so deathly afraid of losing a 6-5 game he'll gladly sit by and watch the offense dump/chase/retreat so long as his team doesn't give up a 4/5/6 spot against.

Some will argue , its a lack of talent , but combinations of these same players produce better when Krejci is in the lineup - its not because Krejci is the magic man , its because the coach employs better line combinations .

I've said before I like the makeup of this team from a forward perspective and I still believe that. Unfortunately, any injury to one of our centers sends Claude into defensive line mode. Can this team be a playoff team - possibly but it will need at least 1 solid top 4 defender at the deadline and to use the younger corps of defenders more heavily ( Krug/C Miller/Morrow/Trotman). But most importantly it needs the coach to trust his offensive players and let them play knowing full well there are some nights when they'll give up a 5 spot.

Ask the Habs if one player doesn`t have that much of an impact. It isn`t just the absence of DK, it`s what or how it forces others in the lineup who perhaps aren`t ideally suited, shift up.

Same thing happening on D, should Trotman be playing in the #2 slot? Or Miller playing 3/4th minutes? Not a bloody chance, the absence of a true #2 has forced this and we have seen how it`s affected the Bruins D

 

[Mathews28]

Neely on Felger and Mazz "Chara still one of the better defenders in the NHL"......

Not that he would come out and publicly criticize the guy especially if they are attempting to off load him (fingers crossed).... but if they still actually feel like he's one of the better defenders in the NHL that is just really disappointing and concerning.

I bet I could name 80 Dmen easily that I'd rather have.

80? Do you mean in your NHL'16 xbox game, where you can create teams with guys from the past?

Let me say that last year I made statements about Chara and how he had been declining and got blasted for it, so clearly I'm no Chara fanboy, but 80?

I can give you a bunch off the top of my head...

Pietrangelo, Suter, Doughty, Subban, Brodie, Weber, Karlsson, Seabrook, Josi, Gio, Shatty, Muzzin, Barrie, McDonough, Stralman, the other TB guy, Ekblad, Niskanen, Keith, Faulk.....

And there are definitely more.

But not 80.

 

[njbruin*]

Ask the Habs if one player doesn`t have that much of an impact. It isn`t just the absence of DK, it`s what or how it forces others in the lineup who perhaps aren`t ideally suited, shift up.

Same thing happening on D, should Trotman be playing in the #2 slot? Or Miller playing 3/4th minutes? Not a bloody chance, the absence of a true #2 has forced this and we have seen how it`s affected the Bruins D

Yes, Carey Price absolutely. As we all know you can't win without a solid netminder.

Again, I'm not arguing it doesn't have an impact what I'm arguing is that the impact is magnified by the line combinations the HC is choosing to employ. No reason to shift up Ferraro and no reason to suit up Kemp, Claude chooses to go that route because he covets defensive minded two way centers.

And on defense he can employ that transition puck moving D he supposedly embraced this offseason. He could get Morrow, C Miller and Krug in the lineup at the same time. He's choosing to go with K Miller ,Trotman and Macquaid when healthy.

I understand where Claude's at - he's trying to preserve his job , by playing the game the best way he knows. I can't blame him for that , but is that what is best for the team ??

 

[Mathews28]

Erik Karlsson
Brent Burns
John Klingberg
Justin Faulk
Oliver Ekman-Larsson
Roman Josi
Ryan Suter 2
Brent Seabrook
Tyson Barrie
P.K. Subban
Rasmus Ristolainen
John Carlson
Shea Weber
Mark Giordano
Kevin Shattenkirk
Duncan Keith
Drew Doughty
Dustin Byfuglien
Victor Hedman
Keith Yandle
Francois Beauchemin
Jake Muzzin
TJ Brodie
Andrei Markov
Sami Vatanen
Torey Krug
Ryan McDonagh
Anton Stralman
Alex Goligoski
Dionne Phaneuf
Aaron Ekblad
Jared Spurgeon
Morgan Rielly
Marc-Edouard Vlasic
Alex Pietrangelo
Dennis Wideman
Alexander Edler
Ryan Ellis
Tyler Myers
Michael Stone
Matt Niskanen
Colton Parayko
Dougie Hamilton
Justin Braun
Erik Johnson
Shayne Gostisbeher
Andrej Sekera
Mattias Ekholm
Nick Holden
Niklas Kronwall
David Savard
Alec Martinez
Dmitry Orlov
Mike Green
Nick Leddy
Dan Boyle
Johnny Oduya
Jason Demers
Johnny Boychuk
Jake Gardiner
Brian Campbell
Jack Johnson
Jeff Petry
Ryan Murray
Cody Franson
Marek Zidlicky
Karl Alzner
Niklas Hjalmarsson
Oscar Klefbom
Cam Fowler
Nathan Beaulieu
Kris Russell
Seth Jones
Marco Scandella
Matt Dumba
Mark Streit
Olli Maatta
Ron Hainsey
Michael Del Zotto
Dan Girardi
Connor Murphy

NHL stats page is great for compiling lists, no?

Some of these...many actually...are marginally better or slightly below Z, IMO. However, easily 30 guys are more significant upgrades.

 

[njbruin*]

80 seems like a high number but its not much of a stretch to believe that most teams top paring is better right now. And we know some teams are stacked at D, so 80 may be pretty close.

 

[BMC]

Phil Kessel.

And the former #19 IIRC