GDT: Game 39: Red Wings at jets 7:00 pm et 1/4/25

[KJoe88]

We're now 2 points back of the second WC spot 5 games into Todd's tenure. We've also leap frogged 3 of the 6 teams already that we needed to pass.

All the people who a week ago were advocating to tank and thought the season was already lost, what's your thought process now?

Win.

 

[Snuggs]

And Rob Blake was legitimately good most of his career. He was known for his big clapper and big hits but wasn’t much of a playmaker. But just like Phaneuf, he wasn’t great defensively and would go way out of position for a big hit.

Seider can be better than both.

You really going to act like Rob Blake wasn't' a major PK contributor for his teams? Because I'm gonna shoot back you might have caught most of the last end of his career and didn't get to watch him as a King or early Av.

Seider can for sure be better than both, it's just a comparison. If you think he plays like Pronger, well ok. I don't see him intentionally hurting people yet like Pronger but it's just me watching. I can be wrong.

I don't think Phaneuf is a fair comparison for any of the players we've mentioned honestly. He reminds me of Jocob Trouba.

 

[norrisnick]

Pretty sure some posters on here don't like Larkin for some reason.
Smoke another bro. Dion Phaneuf was legitmately good 6 or 7 years of his entire career, most in calgary.

Dion was Blake-lite. Big hits and big shots but an absolute moron who was lost in his own end.

 

[GarlicbreadTB]

We're now 2 points back of the second WC spot 5 games into Todd's tenure. We've also leap frogged 3 of the 6 teams already that we needed to pass.

All the people who a week ago were advocating to tank and thought the season was already lost, what's your thought process now?

Was on the tank train as well. But with how things are going just keep winning and I hope Yzerman can make a great trade.

 

[Snuggs]

We're now 2 points back of the second WC spot 5 games into Todd's tenure. We've also leap frogged 3 of the 6 teams already that we needed to pass.

All the people who a week ago were advocating to tank and thought the season was already lost, what's your thought process now?

Well, it was a disaster without much hope at the time.

My thoughts, It's a few games and we've got a lot more season to go and we're still behind, not ahead. The good stuff has to continue! I'm happy and way, way more hopeful than just a week ago, but I'm not exactly super confident we're better than some of the teams we've actually beaten even recently like the Jets last night but and happy to ride the rush of the new coach.

Anyone that's mad that the teams winning and not tanking... like wtf do you even watch for? Do you watch? Losing hockey sucks... Hockey's entertainment.

* The Red Wings were so un-watchable early that I've actually been to more Griffin games this year than Red Wings who are tied with the amount of times I've been to the Flint firebirds. (4-2-2).

 

[newfy]

realistically the Wings getting the 2nd wild card spot would require playing at a ~105-115 point pace for the rest of the season

can they do that? color me skeptical

Sure, but when youre 2 points out that also means the other teams have to maintain that pace if they want to make it. It would be weird to be skeptical of Detroit but not Ottawa, Columbus, Montreal etc

 

[The Zermanator]

Well seeing how Seider shoots right handed and Tarasenko is left handed it would be kinda dumb to give him his stick.

Actually, no. That's pretty standard across the hockey world. If the dman (who needs to clear rebounds from the front of the net) loses his stick, then the forward gives the dman his stick. Because having a stick is not as vital for a forward as it is for a dman in the defensive zone.

Seider with the wrong-handed stick and Tarasenko with no stick is better than Tarasenko with his proper stick and Seider floundering in front of the net with nothing but his d**k in his hands.

Why do hockey forwards give their sticks to a defenseman? - Dear Sports Fan

When a defender in ice hockey breaks their stick, they must drop it and their team is in trouble. A forward will give up their stick to the defender. Why?

dearsportsfan.com

 

[ricky0034]

Sure, but when youre 2 points out that also means the other teams have to maintain that pace if they want to make it. It would be weird to be skeptical of Detroit but not Ottawa, Columbus, Montreal etc

that's true

someone's gonna do it but I wouldn't really feel comfortable betting on it being any specific team at this point

I mean I guess on paper the Rangers are the clear answer but they've been such a mess for a while now it's tough to have any confidence in them at this point

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

realistically the Wings getting the 2nd wild card spot would require playing at a ~105-115 point pace for the rest of the season

can they do that? color me skeptical

they've played at a 131 point pace since mclellan took over

 

[ricky0034]

they've played at a 131 point pace since mclellan took over

yeah but 5 games isn't....hey wait a minute you aren't Henkka

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

yeah but 5 games isn't....hey wait a minute you aren't Henkka

wait till i show you the hair-follicles/60 numbers

 

[RRhoads]

Need to play at a .605 pace for the rest of the way to get 90 points, which might get us in. Ottawa in the final wildcard spot are on pace for 86 points.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

Need to play at a .605 pace for the rest of the way to get 90 points, which might get us in. Ottawa in the final wildcard spot are on pace for 86 points.

4 games from now we should firmly be in a wildcard spot. after that, all we have to do is outpace teams like the canadiens, senators, penguins, blue jackets, etc. if we can't do that then i don't want the playoffs

 

[Gniwder]

I thought the season was lost if we don't change the coach. We did. It's a new season.

I think everyone agreed that Fester needed to go, the only discussion was when. I thought Stevie would hire an interim, but he hired an experienced NHL coach instead. You can't expect Todd to lose on purpose, he'd lose the team like Blash and Fester. Playoffs or not, the team has to try to win. No choice now. The tank has been cancelled.

realistically the Wings getting the 2nd wild card spot would require playing at a ~105-115 point pace for the rest of the season

can they do that? color me skeptical

The East is considerably weaker than the West this season. 8th place Ottawa is at .526 pt% while 8th place Van is at .579. It won't take a 115 pt pace.

Edit: I did the math, it would be a 92 pt pace to .526 pt%. Off course it would require the rest of the East continue to suck at the same rate for the WC spot to be that low.

Not to mention that the Wings just beat 2 of the top 3 teams in the league. Anything is possible. (Hell, I'm rooting for Copp, so you know anything is possible now, lol.)

IN TODD WE TRUST.

 

[14ari13]

I've always compared Seider to Rob Blake. Not too many players are actually as mean/assholely as Pronger. He's a genuine prick, just naturally walking. Like, just not a good guy or quality company.

I thought we bo key fans liked those mean sob. Pronger, Chelios, Konstatinov, Hatcher....the fans loved them.

 

[14ari13]

realistically the Wings getting the 2nd wild card spot would require playing at a ~105-115 point pace for the rest of the season

can they do that? color me skeptical

Ottawa would have to play 103-113 rest of the way?

 

[ricky0034]

Ottawa would have to play 103-113 rest of the way?

yeah pretty much

which they probably aren't very likely to do either

one of like 6-8 teams is going to do it though, it's just low odds for it being any particular team

I think everyone agreed that Fester needed to go, the only discussion was when. I thought Stevie would hire an interim, but he hired an experienced NHL coach instead. You can't expect Todd to lose on purpose, he'd lose the team like Blash and Fester. Playoffs or not, the team has to try to win. No choice now. The tank has been cancelled.


The East is considerably weaker than the West this season. 8th place Ottawa is at .526 pt% while 8th place Van is at .579. It won't take a 115 pt pace.

Edit: I did the math, it would be a 92 pt pace to .526 pt%. Off course it would require the rest of the East continue to suck at the same rate for the WC spot to be that low.

Not to mention that the Wings just beat 2 of the top 3 teams in the league. Anything is possible. (Hell, I'm rooting for Copp, so you know anything is possible now, lol.)

IN TODD WE TRUST.

yeah 86 points is unrealistically low though, someones gonna end up finishing better than that

my 105-115 point range is if it finishes at 93-98 points, it's possible it's a point or two less than that like last year when it was 91(it's also possible it's a point or two more than that, it was 100 points for the second wildcard in the east in 2021-22 for example) but I wouldn't count on it it ends up somewhere around the mid to upper 90s most years

 

[Gniwder]

yeah 86 points is unrealistically low though, someones gonna end up finishing better than that

.... not so sure about that, and the Wings have just as good as a chance as any team since there's only 2 point separation.

Boston, TBL, and Sens are all on losing streaks and Wings are the hottest team in the league right now. TBL will prob finish string because they always do, but Boston has the same GF and GA as the Wings (weird coincidence).

 

[Pavels Dog]

realistically the Wings getting the 2nd wild card spot would require playing at a ~105-115 point pace for the rest of the season

can they do that? color me skeptical

On the other hand a hot streak of ~10 games drastically changes the outlook.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

You really going to act like Rob Blake wasn't' a major PK contributor for his teams? Because I'm gonna shoot back you might have caught most of the last end of his career and didn't get to watch him as a King or early Av.

Seider can for sure be better than both, it's just a comparison. If you think he plays like Pronger, well ok. I don't see him intentionally hurting people yet like Pronger but it's just me watching. I can be wrong.

I don't think Phaneuf is a fair comparison for any of the players we've mentioned honestly. He reminds me of Jocob Trouba.

Being on the PK as a defenseman isn’t an indicator of defensive dominance.

The Norris Blake won was absolute robbery. He got voted by the Don Cherry rock ‘em sock ‘em crowd when Lidstrom should have been the clear winner.

 

[Oddbob]

I think after last year the Red Wing braintrust decided we needed to shore up our defence. They instructed LaLonde to concentrate on that aspect. The players didn’t buy into it. Maybe we don’t have the guys to play that style. I think that is why Lalonde was given such a long leash. He was told to coach that way.it may not have been entirely his fault

I don't buy this. Lalonde coached the style he wanted to coach, low event safe hockey. He wanted Kucherov reigned in, in TB, which says a lot about the boring defense style he likes.

If he wanted a different style he would have tried that to save his job.

 

[HoweFan]

I don't buy this. Lalonde coached the style he wanted to coach, low event safe hockey. He wanted Kucherov reigned in, in TB, which says a lot about the boring defense style he likes.

If he wanted a different style he would have tried that to save his job.

You are probably right but last year we scored all kinds of goals with him coaching. Defense was a problem. Exact opposite this year. He changed something. Was it all on his own?

 

[dalem177]

You are probably right but last year we scored all kinds of goals with him coaching. Defense was a problem. Exact opposite this year. He changed something. Was it all on his own?

Didn't they trade or UFA away something like 100 points of offense this off-season? Who's making that up? Tarasenko?

 

[ElProfessor]

He was on the ice for both their goals and his turnover led directly to their 1st goal.
However he has been solid for 10ish games. Or maybe not solid, but not as terrible as he used to be.

No. They only scored two goals. I know for a fact he was not on the ice for the 2nd, Edvinsson and Holl were.

And Johansson was +1 for the game.

Holl was -2 (on the ice for both their goals). Edvinsson was -1.

 

[Henkka]

realistically the Wings getting the 2nd wild card spot would require playing at a ~105-115 point pace for the rest of the season

can they do that? color me skeptical

They are rocking in hockey analytics currently. Nothing is based on luck.

So that could be easily sustainable.

Why not being the Blues of 2019 ?

They went from NHL-worst team to Stanley Cup after a coaching change.