I still maintain he should either be let go, step down to assistant coach while taking a larger FO role, or get a great assistant who can give this team some structure until we get the proper players for his system. We're on a roll, but Varly is the main reason for the winning streak, not Roy.
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I still maintain he should either be let go, step down to assistant coach while taking a larger FO role, or get a great assistant who can give this team some structure until we get the proper players for his system. We're on a roll, but Varly is the main reason for the winning streak, not Roy.
ASmileyFace
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Pretty much my thoughts exactly. I think he is a great motivator and the kind of coach guys want to play for but something needs to be done with the defensive system. Bringing in some assistant who give the team structure while letting Roy be the the motivator and leader as the head coach would be my preferred solution.
cgf
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Varly's been great, but the team as a whole are playing a lot better and while much of that can be attributed to the confidence Varly gives them; the massive improvement in their breakouts also deserves to be mentioned. And that is clearly on the work they are doing in practice (read: coaching).
Duchene2MacKinnon
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I'd say Bab's is a better motivator.
As others have said nothing changed... just Varly finally showed up this season.
henchman21
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Yeah... nothing changed with the systems over the course of the season (nor any gameplans to shutdown a select few players) and no individual coaching has made any impact on any of the players. 
Breakouts are only one part of a system. There were still plenty of defensive/neutral zone lapses vs an Oilers team missing a bunch of key players. I'll admit it's hard to be a great possession team when you have Iggy, Tanguay, Guenin on the team, but I still think that it can be improved as well.
Obviously you missed the complete overhaul of the neutral zone system in November.
There have been bad games here and there (at Minnesota), and they gave up too many shots to Edmonton, but the neutral zone change has limited a lot of shots against. Seriously, when was the last time the Avs held Chicago to under 30 shots prior to the other night?
cgf
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******** nothing's changed. We move the puck up the ice much better and do a lot better supporting the puck career when it is deep. That's on the coaching. Our forward lines are much more effective now that Iginla's not being forced into the top 6 even though that means Soderberg and Comeau anchoring a second line with Andreas ****ing Martinsen. That's on the coaching. Our NZ system is protecting our D much better, though it's still a work in progress. That's on the coaching. We've changed our D-zone system to help Varly better see&track the puck. That's on the coaching. And Duchene took off as a RW after years of us talking about how Matt can't play anywhere but at Center. That to is a positive we've seen from the coaching. There's still issues and he's not an all time great coach or anything; but there's been some significant positives as well.
Not even talking about his strong sense for the developmental decisions they've had to make; aka how well he's done at maintaining our new youngsters' confidence by not letting them get overwhelmed and frustrated in roles that they weren't ready to thrive in...i.e. having the balls to send Zads & Rants down; letting Greg settle in without much pressure, but still getting opportunities to show flashes of what he could grow into (the looks on the top line and even seeing some PK time); Gormley getting eased in on the third pairing; Rendo/EVB/Biffkaka getting chances but not being left to struggle for too long when it hasn't worked out; letting Bigras and Pickard start the year seeing huge minutes in the AHL rather than forcing them onto the NHL squad like many here wanted...
The fact that he hasn't fixed everything despite the talent he has to work with should not indict him, nor should it erase the changes he has made. Which include the breakout and our general NZ play. Of course there's still lapses; our team is full of players who are either very young, very old, or of limited talent. But we've grown a lot during the season and Patrick has made plenty of changes that have played a role in this.
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henchman21
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This team went through some major structural changes in mid October when the gameplan out of the gate wasn't working. It is still a work in process and more stuff continues to get implemented.
IndustryLeech
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I think his effectiveness as a coach is still in question. A 5-game winning streak doesn't forgive all sins.
I still think he should get this season, but if the team seriously flames out, let him go or move to the FO and gain more experience there until the expansion teams come calling (QC).
I still think Roy is poor with in game adjustments, and things of that sort, but he at least did make a complete overhaul of the defensive system and it has helped a good bit.
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There has definitely been an improvement and it's good to see. Maybe next year they can be more prepared coming into the season though rather than having to do a complete overhaul in November because of poor play.
linusandvarlamov
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That's just it, it's most certainly NOT a complete overhaul. Yes, there have been adjustments (and as you have said, he's been way too slow to implement them but he at least has made them) and tweaks, but IMO they're band-aid solutions. I'd be much, much happier if he really did ditch his awful system, but while we don't see the ridiculously passive shot-blocking system the team started the season with, there's still way too much sitting back, especially when the team has the lead. The biggest change for the better has been the team's emphasis on better NZ play, but play in the DZ is still not good. For a system that supposedly cuts down on high-percentage scoring chances, a stupidly high amount of opposing players get left alone wide open in the slot area.
Yes, the "fixes" have been very beneficial, but the foundation is still shaky to say the least.
The team has in every way been new to each other, new lines systems etc .. so I think perhaps less about individuals although its nice to see some stars shine, and more about team mates. I see much LESS of the missed passes and more in game flow offense and defense. Lines coming together and some confidence, what would happen if we had one more d man? Stuart.. come back....
tigervixxxen
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Knowing what roles the personnel can play right off the bat would be helpful too. Not having 1/3 new roster, not knowing what the kids can do or how to run the system to get the most out of them.
Before this hot streak I wanted him gone. Our results were terrible. I always thought we should be higher. Now we are about on our level, playoff bubble team. Can't ask much more from him result wise.
dahrougem2
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4-2 Avs. Bernier is lol-worthy this season
Also I could have sworn that Komarov for the Leafs plays with Kadri and Grabner
Also I could have sworn that Komarov for the Leafs plays with Kadri and Grabner
cgf
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Pyrophorus
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24, was a scorer in the AHL. The Leafs mantra of not bringing the skill up, means we have calls up like this and Clune.
Byron is a beast on the faceoffs, especially defensive ones, just scored his first goal. He stays in the lineup, due to his commitment to the system.
AW8
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Nail on the head. Roy is a good coach, BUT, he needs an great x's & o's assistant. If he had that the team would be in a great place imo
