GDT: GAME 21 | Sens Flaming Out in Prime Time | Mon Nov 25 2024, 7:30PM | Prime Video

[Golden_Jet]

Yep, the image quality was miles ahead of the garbage on Sportsnet or TSN. It might not matter on some TVs, but on a 77" OLED, the difference was unreal.

The boomers at the NHL needs to pull their heads out of their ass and get on board with proper streaming services. Nobody uses cable anymore.

Good point on TV,
I was also watching on an OLED.

 

[swiftwin]

My other peeve with the Sportsnet+ app is the fact that the audio always goes out of sync after a while. I basically have to restart the stream during every commercial break.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I'm not doubting that. Rogers and Bell have decades of live entertainment experience. Amazon puts in a ton of money into their tv platform but the majority isn't live sports. I'm just making a point that their market cap isn't the reason they put together a superior quality hockey broadcast. The post I quoted using "net worth" is ridiculous. The program was good because they cared to make it good. Rogers and Bell simply don't give a shit, they've got plenty of money to do it, they just don't want to.

No, it's not specifically, but I think they're clearly willing to take a loss on it to break into the market, like Microsoft has done with Gamepass. The bigger the coffers, the easier it is to do that. Amazon has gotten so big there's no stopping that train, no matter the industry, so whatevs.

 

[Micklebot]

They all use compression, the difference is Amazon is 4K and uses HDR,
TSN and Sportsnet upscale to 4K, on their games, with a select few recorded in 4K on TSN.
Sportsnet does 1 or 2 games a night in upscaled 4K, TSN, 1 or 2 a week. (Cable/fibe)

Audio wise, Prime has Dolby Atmos if you have a system that can support it.

Overall it’s just better.

Yes, they all use compression, but not the same compression. Cable broadcasters typically use the H.264 codec while streams typically use the H.265 codec which means they can have the same video quality at roughly half the bitrate. If they use the same bitrate, they will increase the quality.

 

[Big Muddy]

Yep, the image quality was miles ahead of the garbage on Sportsnet or TSN. It might not matter on some TVs, but on a 77" OLED, the difference was unreal.

The boomers at the NHL needs to pull their heads out of their ass and get on board with proper streaming services. Nobody uses cable anymore.

I suppose that might be a more Canadian specific POV.

Depending on where you live in the U.S., streaming packages won’t provide a lot of the games because of broadcast rights. Games on NHL Network, MSG1, MSG2, TBS, TNT etc are games you wouldn’t get.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Yes that obviously the case, in order to have the best picture quality, among NA broadcasts.
especially with Amazon using 60fps.

Ya those must be some hefty bandwidth requirements. 4K HDR 60 fps with Dolby Atmos is a nice end product to get though. Agreed with you guys on the OLED, or quality of displays in general. I have an LG OLED in the house, 85" Sony LED, and a JVC projector. There is no comparison and you don't want to feed them junk, so on this we definitely agree, these other providers need to step up their game. It's long since time we should be getting that.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Ya those must be some hefty bandwidth requirements. 4K HDR 60 fps with Dolby Atmos is a nice end product to get though. Agreed with you guys on the OLED, or quality of displays in general. I have an LG OLED in the house, 85" Sony LED, and a JVC projector. There is no comparison and you don't want to feed them junk, so on this we definitely agree, these other providers need to step up their game. It's long since time we should be getting that.

I also have a Projector onto a Stewart screen, reminds me need to order a new bulb, (hmm maybe Black Friday)

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I also have a Projector onto a Stewart screen, reminds me need to order a new bulb, (hmm maybe Black Friday)

Nice! Stewart screens are the gold standard.

BF is as good a time as any to buy a new bulb. I plunked down for one of the laser models, so I'm out of that game now.

 

[swiftwin]

I suppose that might be a more Canadian specific POV.

Depending on where you live in the U.S., streaming packages won’t provide a lot of the games because of broadcast rights. Games on NHL Network, MSG1, MSG2, TBS, TNT etc are games you wouldn’t get.

That's my point. The NHL needs to pull their head out of their asses and allow/create a high quality streaming service on par with Amazon, regardless of these networks. Cable networks are dying, we don't want the NHL to go down with them.

 

[Cosmix]

It's time to call a spade a spade. Yes, goaltending has been an issue, but we brought in Amadio and Perron to be positive additions offensively to the bottom six - as well as being good pros. Same with Gregor and Cousins, but they were real cheap. I realize Perron has had issues, so it's tough to point the finger there, but those 4 guys' stats:

58 games played, 11 points, 5 goals.

And cost over 7 million dollars.

You can flip the dialogue and say Staios got Gaudette for pennies etc. , but that is why we're losing IMO. Zero bottom six scoring and it's absolutely dragging Pinto through the mud too.

Pinto must bear some of the blame for his low contribution.

Anyone know what Zub's issue is? Could it be concussion issues?

 

[Cosmix]

They all use compression, the difference is Amazon is 4K and uses HDR,
TSN and Sportsnet upscale to 4K, on their games, with a select few recorded in 4K on TSN.
Sportsnet does 1 or 2 games a night in upscaled 4K, TSN, 1 or 2 a week. (Cable/fibe)

Audio wise, Prime has Dolby Atmos if you have a system that can support it.

Overall it’s just better.

1080P upscaled to 4K is not what I want to watch. My 4k TV can do that. I want a 4K signal provided by a 4K camera. If Bell and Sportsnet are not providing that, I am not buying their so-called "4k" service.

 

[Micklebot]

Anyone know what Zub's issue is? Could it be concussion issues?

Broken foot from blocking a shot

 

[lang006]

Pinto must bear some of the blame for his low contribution.


Anyone know what Zub's issue is? Could it be concussion issues?

He got a fracture in his foot from blocking. a shot Saturday night

 

[lang006]

Is Perron injured from that Sanderson blast/dump in that hit him in the ankle?

 

[BankStreetParade]

Ok, because the quote I saw was "Bell and Rogers have more than enough funds to make as high quality a stream as Amazon does lol", but a bit further back talks more about the overall broadcast, so I think we have two parallel points being discussed.

I was seeing a lot of complaints about the TSN and Bell streaming platforms during the game, I figured that spurred some of this.

Not sure what revenue models, distribution, or media rights share has to do with whether or not Amazon can put out a good broadcast though.

Wrt the NHL, a lot of stuff is actually contracted by the broadcasters, not internal talent, so for example, it's the same cameramen regardless. A lot of expertise is basically the same regardless of whether it's TSN or SN televising the game. I imagine that is the same with Prime, they've contracted the same companies for camera work and I suspect the same directors ect as all the other broadcasters do, the difference boils down to the platform they broadcast over, and the panels and on air talent they set up.

The comment made was about the market caps of the 3 companies, as if Amazon's $2.5T market cap is relevant to their ability in sports broadcasting or even a fair apples-to-apples comparison. We have 2 legacy media conglomerates, who have owned sports-only networks for decades, versus a company whose primary revenue source is online commerce. These 2 companies are hardly at a disadvantage compared to Amazon when it comes to live sports broadcasts.

 

[Emerica]

Is Perron injured from that Sanderson blast/dump in that hit him in the ankle?

They said it was upper body

 

[Micklebot]

The comment made was about the market caps of the 3 companies, as if Amazon's $2.5T market cap is relevant to their ability in sports broadcasting or even a fair apples-to-apples comparison. We have 2 legacy media conglomerates, who have owned sports-only networks for decades, versus a company whose primary revenue source is online commerce. These 2 companies are hardly at a disadvantage compared to Amazon when it comes to live sports broadcasts.

The comment about market cap was a reply to what I quoted about stream quality and their ability to afford to match Amazon in that regard

It's fine if you approach the topic from the overall broadcast perspective, that's perfectly valid, but there is clearly two different perspectives being discussed, and while you are correct Bell and Rogers have far more experience in sports broadcasting, amazon has more experience in streaming and extensive experience in web services that could be leveraged towards their streaming quality.