Pre-Game Talk: Game 2 - Panthers @ Toronto

[The Apologist]

Take the high road on Bennett. Hockey gods will reward in the end.

The very high road. Like above the shoulders

 

[Zybalto]

Curious, how's their expected stats?

Knies/Matthews/Marner 5v5:
Goals for/60: 6.09
Goals against for/60: 1.06
GF%: 85.21%
xGF%: 57.27%

x/Tavares/Nylander 5v5:
Goals for/60: 6.97
Goals against for/60: 1.89
GF%: 78.62
xGF%: 57.60


Threw xGF% in there too.

 

[CabanaBoy5]

Murray has no business being near an NHL jersey anymore.

So you'd rather have Hildeby with his 3-3 record, 3.33 GAA and .872 SV% in his NHL career? In his latest game in January he had a .778 SV% and we're going to trust him to go up against the Stanley Cup Champions? I'd rather go with Murray as a backup who has a career .910 SV% and has won a few Stanley Cups.

Comparing their AHL stats this season:

Hildeby 16-9-4, 2 S0, GAA 2.55, SV% .908
Murray 10-5-4, 3 SO, GAA 1.72, SV% .934

You might want to rethink your position.

 

[IPS]

Knies/Matthews/Marner 5v5:
Goals for/60: 6.09
Goals against for/60: 1.06
GF%: 85.21%
xGF%: 57.27%

x/Tavares/Nylander 5v5:
Goals for/60: 6.97
Goals against for/60: 1.89
GF%: 78.62
xGF%: 57.60


Threw xGF% in there too.

Wonder how different these would look if Knies was with Nylander/JT instead of Marner/Matthews.

Whoever "x" is they're not 10% of the player Knies is.

 

[thewave]

Take the high road on Bennett. Hockey gods will reward in the end.

The high road has never ever ever treated us well.

 

[Aashir]

Berube as coach = goalies we are playing can do no wrong because they have a Vezina.



Keefe as coach = Leafs can do no good, the Vezina winning goalie sucks.

it's simple

keefe couldn't get results from the offence
berube has gotten more than keefe ever did.

that's all that matters to most people.

 

[notbias]

it's simple

keefe couldn't get results from the offence
berube has gotten more than keefe ever did.

that's all that matters to most people.

No, I am pointing out the insane hypocrisy of a poster.

I was impressed with the Leafs last night, and I thought they played a great game, if they continue down that path, I will praise Berube/Treliving/anyone, I still think Bobrovsky played poorly though.

That poster said you can't critique the Vezina winning goalies, but he has also done it a lot in the past, the only thing that changed was who was coaching.

Keefe got results some years and didn't other years, but when they got results, that poster blamed the goalie of the opposing team.

He is just a huge hypocrite and I found it funny.

 

[thewave]

Rest Stolarz. It wasn't the borrito

 

[Zybalto]

Wonder how different these would look if Knies was with Nylander/JT instead of Marner/Matthews.

Whoever "x" is they're not 10% of the player Knies is.

Would love to have 2x Knies of course but Patches seems to have gelled amazingly with the 2nd line and we are looking at arguably the best 1st and 2nd lines for any team in the playoffs right now.

Just need the PP to get going.

 

[mobilus]

So you'd rather have Hildeby with his 3-3 record, 3.33 GAA and .872 SV% in his NHL career? In his latest game in January he had a .778 SV% and we're going to trust him to go up against the Stanley Cup Champions? I'd rather go with Murray as a backup who has a career .910 SV% and has won a few Stanley Cups.

Comparing their AHL stats this season:

Hildeby 16-9-4, 2 S0, GAA 2.55, SV% .908
Murray 10-5-4, 3 SO, GAA 1.72, SV% .934

You might want to rethink your position.

We're talking #3 in line now, Woll starting and Hildy as backup. After that, I'd rather see ArkoftheCovenant than Murray.

 

[notbias]

Wonder how different these would look if Knies was with Nylander/JT instead of Marner/Matthews.

Whoever "x" is they're not 10% of the player Knies is.

You may want to look into Holmberg's numbers.... he's been amazing.

 

[IPS]

You may want to look into Holmberg's numbers.... he's been amazing.

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If you're gonna ride a red hot Willy's coattails you need some actual numbers.

Holmberg is still a complete black hole offensively.

 

[IPS]

Would love to have 2x Knies of course but Patches seems to have gelled amazingly with the 2nd line and we are looking at arguably the best 1st and 2nd lines for any team in the playoffs right now.

Just need the PP to get going.

Loved Patches last game but he just doesn't have anywhere near the horsepower / finish Knies has.

 

[CabanaBoy5]

We're talking #3 in line now, Woll starting and Hildy as backup. After that, I'd rather see ArkoftheCovenant than Murray.

Yes, and No. 3 will be the backup tomorrow night if Stolarz can't go. That backup should be the player who had the better season in the AHL. Remember, Woll has a propensity of getting injured when you least expect it (see last season Game 6). In that eventuality, I'd rather have Murray on standby.

 

[notbias]

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If you're gonna ride a red hot Willy's coattails you need some actual numbers.

Holmberg is still a complete black hole offensively.

How terrible, he has only helped by being on the ice for 3 goals for and 0 against.

He made the 3rd line playable... they have the best xGF and haven't been scored against yet.

I don't understand the hate for someone doing what they are supposed to do.

 

[Gallagbi]

Knies/Matthews/Marner 5v5:
Goals for/60: 6.09
Goals against for/60: 1.06
GF%: 85.21%
xGF%: 57.27%

x/Tavares/Nylander 5v5:
Goals for/60: 6.97
Goals against for/60: 1.89
GF%: 78.62
xGF%: 57.60


Threw xGF% in there too.

Appreciate it and apologies for the extra ask

Hoping this doesn't "normalize"

 

[Gallagbi]

Riiiight.

He’d rag doll him.

At best he wins a wrestling match. That'll teach'em

 

[Lightsol]

Get in Bob's head early and often. Last night was like making Superman bleed. The fight is far from over, but it is winnable

 

[darrylsittler27]

Right, the leagues a complete ******* joke but it's done and let's use it to our advantage

Be physical, if you get a chance to make a hit really make it hurt, pull together and play for your injured teammate, show those ***** you won't be intimidated but your not going to do anything stupid that may lose the game
The crowd is going to be rabid, use it and play well enough to keep them in the game all night

Most of all don't give up, fight for every puck like it's the one that's going to win you the game and now would be a great time for our stars to prove to everybody in the league that they deserve the hype and adulation they get

Woll just get yourself in front of that pick mate and make his life easier boys

I'm not worried if Woll starts. He will get better if Bennett doesn't take him out.

 

[Zybalto]

Appreciate it and apologies for the extra ask

Hoping this doesn't "normalize"

Important to look at all stats really with an emphasis on outcomes of course.

 

[Lightsol]

Should get a bit more attention but worth noting the team has scored 3+ goals in all but one game so far (and that was just a totally off night). In Keefe's final 13 playoff games (dating back to game 6 of the Tampa series in 2023), the team only scored more than 2 goals once, game 2 of the Boston series last year where they won 3-2.

A big concern has been Berube 'neutering' the offense for defense, but hasn't really happened. There were some of the typical Dubasites who were saying it was all because of bad opposing goaltending (chicken and egg anyone?), but Ullmark has literally won a Vezina before and Bobrovsky has been a beast for multiple playoff runs now - that excuse doesn't fly. This team relies on its elite finishing abilities as part of its style of play.

The Leafs under Keefe would frequently cheat for offense and activate their defenseman in stupid situations, and generally lost because they couldn't capitalize on it and their opponents would feast on their cheats. They're less offensive under Berube because rather than trying to force offense and taking stupid risks, they're worrying about defense first and waiting for their opponents to make errors of the sort they used to.

 

[Zybalto]

Loved Patches last game but he just doesn't have anywhere near the horsepower / finish Knies has.

This is true and he might not have the stamina for a full playoff run but he's a former 1st liner with one last push in the top 6 in him and he might be the perfect guy for that line against Florida (but maybe not a Carolina type team).

 

[mobilus]

Yes, and No. 3 will be the backup tomorrow night if Stolarz can't go. That backup should be the player who had the better season in the AHL. Remember, Woll has a propensity of getting injured when you least expect it (see last season Game 6). In that eventuality, I'd rather have Murray on standby.

And I wouldn't. Agree to disagree.

 

[thewave]

Loved Patches last game but he just doesn't have anywhere near the horsepower / finish Knies has.

One thing he had was old guy strength. When he hit they were feeling it. He was leaning into those kids pretty good

 

[notbias]

The Leafs under Keefe would frequently cheat for offense and activate their defenseman in stupid situations, and generally lost because they couldn't capitalize on it and their opponents would feast on their cheats. They're less offensive under Berube because rather than trying to force offense and taking stupid risks, they're worrying about defense first and waiting for their opponents to make errors of the sort they used to.

They are 3rd for GA/GP for Leafs teams in the last 5 years.

They are tied for 1st for GF/GP over the same time.

Keefe's teams generally did well defensively and horribly offensively.