Low Effort GDT GAME 19 | Place your bets edition | Tue Nov 21 2024, 7PM | TSN5, RDS

[boxbox]

So far this season Linus Ullmark has somehow managed to be better at not stopping pucks than Joonas Karpisalo. His numbers are simply not acceptable for goalie set to become one of the highest paid in the leauge.

 

[mysens]

This is beyond frustrating. Its getting worse by the game. No one can score goals. All our "dependable" are brutal. I think its time Stevie start drafting up scenarios without Brady moving forward. You know he is not re signing here in the future anyway. Package him up with Norris so they can comfort each other and get back some much needed pieces missing.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

This rebuilt was totally mishandle by an incompetent GM, and this new management we have ain't much better.

Meh I dono. A lot is luck of the draw on some rebuilds. We got three centers and 2 top 6 wingers. And a first pairing defensive d man.

They’re just…. Low ish end.

Not sanderson Sanderson is a premier defensive d man.

But our problem right now isn’t that we can’t defend.

We could have drafted better absolutely but Mann and his crew had 2 insane picks at 3 and 5 and that’s it.

 

[jbeck5]

Green doesn't have the balls to staple Brady to the bench and he had many reasons to do so throughout the season so far.


He has an infuriating tendency to hold onto the puck for a second or two too long to maybe draw in a defender and then let the shot/pass go for it to only get blocked or get deflected.

He's got a muffin shot and he knows it.

His shot isn't getting through because it's literally too slow of a shot so it's easily blocked.

In the last 10 years, he's done nothing to improve his shot. Nothing.

Part of us sucking is having literally no weapon from the point. On our powerplay, the other team laughs when we pass it to the point and all 4 guys stay low covering the other 4 because Sanderson or Chabot are never going to create a scoring chance from the Blueline.

Their slapshots are like 85mph at best. I got 83mph at a skills competition when I was 16. Like, come on. Where are these 95-100mph one timers?

 

[Micklebot]

He's got a muffin shot and he knows it.

His shot isn't getting through because it's literally too slow of a shot so it's easily blocked.

In the last 10 years, he's done nothing to improve his shot. Nothing.

Part of us sucking is having literally no weapon from the point. On our powerplay, the other team laughs when we pass it to the point and all 4 guys stay low covering the other 4 because Sanderson or Chabot are never going to create a scoring chance from the Blueline.

Their slapshots are like 85mph at best. I got 83mph at a skills competition when I was 16. Like, come on. Where are these 95-100mph one timers?

I think he lays them in soft intentionally for the tip/deflection, the shot speed data from last season has him above average in all categories, except 100+ (not many players have shots in that category.

 

[Xspyrit]

So, what you're saying is all the guys Dorion brought in are doing well, and the guys Staios brought in are doing poorly?

Uhhh... not really? But at the same time, I never said Dorion never did anything good, problem is the bad outweighs the good by a gigantic margin which is a dead sentence in this business (or any business for that matter). But to reply to your post more specifically, not sure if by "all the guys Dorion brought in" you meant guys like Stutzle and Tkachuk too so I'll assume yes

Stutzle : 3rd OA pick that came from trading Erik Karlsson, a 3-times Norris winner. No brainer pick
Tkachuk : 4th OA pick to kick start the rebuild, good to not mess up but you absolutely have to get an impact player here
Batherson : one of the best active 4th round picks, full credit here
Giroux : best UFA signing under Dorion, we got lucky he wanted to come home though, but some credit deserved
Norris : best prospect that came from trading Karlsson
Pinto : pretty good early 2nd round pick, credit here
Greig : pretty good late first round pick that came from trading Pageau, but credit here
Tarasenko : good UFA signing, the good thing was that the term was only one year
Joseph : decent trade to get him IMO but gave up Nick Paul. We had to pay to trade Joseph
Kastelic : one of the best active 5th round picks, more credit here
Kubalik : throw in from DeBrincat trade, was more a detriment than anything last season
Kelly : pretty good UFA ELC signing, wasn't supposed to amount to much

Our forward depth was terrible as usual last season but our Top-9 was the best we had since 2017. But our coaching, team defense and goaltending was so bad that it was in vain anyway. Team looked much better gradually under Jacques Martin but we were already in January so too late.

Perron, Amadio, Gaudette, Cousins, Gregor : all Staios signings who are doing poorly in terms of production except Gaudette

Not really impressed by Staios work so far but he has an incommensurable leeway before reaching Dorion lows.

 

[Xspyrit]

It's not a good pinch by Kleven but holy hell Tkachuk's effort there was pathetic.

If we're trading a core piece, to me, it's him. Biggest return (outside of Sanderson and Stü). Biggest shakeup. He's mailing it in these days and our season is literally on the line. Not cool.

Yeah, me too I think the guys to trade would be Tkachuk and Norris and all the guys like Amadio, Perron, etc if possible

I would build like this :

xxxxxx - Stutzle - Batherson
xxxxxx - xxxxxx - xxxxxx
Greig - Pinto - Giroux
xxxxxx - xxxxxx - xxxxxx
Gaudette

Sanderson - Zub
Chabot - Jensen
Kleven - JBD
xxxxxx

I keep Jensen and Zub because RHDs are so hard to come by but Yakemchuk will replace Jensen after his contract is over.

We need 4 Top-6 forwards and only have Tkachuk and Norris to trade. Again, something else I said before (the future need for Top-6 forwards) but that got contested as usual.

So far this season Linus Ullmark has somehow managed to be better at not stopping pucks than Joonas Karpisalo. His numbers are simply not acceptable for goalie set to become one of the highest paid in the leauge.

Unfortunately, that was a strong possibility which is why I said this before the season :

"I hope people are prepared at the possibility that Korpisalo has better stats than Ullmark next season."

Still holding hope that Ullmark changes this

I think he lays them in soft intentionally for the tip/deflection, the shot speed data from last season has him above average in all categories, except 100+ (not many players have shots in that category.


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Yeah, never really understood the comments regarding Chabot's shot, that's why I don't rely much on hockey fans observations but thankfully there's plenty of data these days. He has a pretty good one timer and a good slapshot but just an average (or maybe even below average) wrist shot so he shoots for deflections/rebounds, obviously.

 

[Tuna99]

3 full games + 9:55mins left in the Philly games since the Sens have the lead

So 195 minutes they’d played without a lead

 

[Loach]

3 full games + 9:55mins left in the Philly games since the Sens have the lead

So 195 minutes they’d played without a lead

So over 3 games?

 

[Big Muddy]

I don't care about this anymore. I care about the following:

Which goalie was better? The answer is Samsonov.

Ullmark needs to outplay the other goalie. He is supposed to be a top 5 goalie. He's outplayed not a single one he's went up against I think except one.

Sure agreed, but we need some more goals to win as well.

I heard that the average NHL game has 6 goals scored. If you divide by 2 (because there’s 2 teams), that would be average of 3 per team. We haven’t managed to get 3 goals in the last 3 games. We are not likely going to win many games scoring 0, 1 or 2 goals.

If our goalies let in one bad goal in a game, then we’ll need to score 4 (or more) rather consistently.

Not disagreeing with the idea that Ullmark needs to be better, but we also need to score more as well. There’s more than one ingredient in a cake.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Needed a win and didn't get one.
Lots of confusion on the 1st goal against; JBD, Kleven, Tkachuk, Gaudette seem obvious;
Weak play to get it deep by Greig, Bad, slow change on the 2nd goal. Ullmark let it leak through him. This one probably bugs me the most.. not because of the leaky goal but that doesn't help.. we just gave them so much ice on that change
Bad pinch with no support on the 3rd goal. Just played poorly Dorofeyev beating Kleven in a foot race, No back pressure support from Tkachuk, JBD maybe could have played it more like a possible 2 on 1 but .. I think that's 2 pinches that gave up goals for Kleven recently and it started there
Other than the one goal Ullmark played well and made some really good saves
Sens are really struggling to score on some great chances . Samsonov deserves some credit

If we came in playing well , and were over 500 .. losing this one to a very good team doesn't hurt as much.. we were in it. As it is its a very disappointing result .. and AGAIN the Sens have dug themselves a hole in November

 

[Alex1234]

I think he lays them in soft intentionally for the tip/deflection, the shot speed data from last season has him above average in all categories, except 100+ (not many players have shots in that category.


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Do we have the data of how many went to the net?
He takes so much time to shoot it feels like its blocked all the time but maybe it's just an impression

 

[Big Muddy]

He's got a muffin shot and he knows it.

His shot isn't getting through because it's literally too slow of a shot so it's easily blocked.

In the last 10 years, he's done nothing to improve his shot. Nothing.

Part of us sucking is having literally no weapon from the point. On our powerplay, the other team laughs when we pass it to the point and all 4 guys stay low covering the other 4 because Sanderson or Chabot are never going to create a scoring chance from the Blueline.

Their slapshots are like 85mph at best. I got 83mph at a skills competition when I was 16. Like, come on. Where are these 95-100mph one timers?

Odd logic. That’s more a case of shot placement than velocity. If Chabot fires it at an opponents shin pads, having the puck move faster won’t matter unless you think the puck will go right through the opponent’s body. LOL.

 

[Micklebot]

Do we have the data of how many went to the net?
He takes so much time to shoot it feels like its blocked all the time but maybe it's just an impression

Not at each speed, but overall,

Shot attempts: 262
Blocked: 98
Wide: 46
On net: 118

In terms of "blocked all the time", the data suggests he's pretty average in that regard, at least last year he was. out of the 197 D with 100+ shot attempts, his % of shots blocked comes in at 91st best (around 37%), so middle of the pack. A bit surprisingly, the Hughes brothers are both way up the list, getting about 45% (Quinn) and 50% (Luke) of their shots blocked respectively.

 

[Big Muddy]

Brady was shit tonight too. But it was Gaudette who lost his man and got stapled to the bench for most of the game afterwards. Gaudette has a good shot and is a goal scorer, but if he f***ed up enough fo cost us the game it doesn't matter if he scored a goal on a PP where he received a nice pass. He basically made up for his f*** up. Brady was terrible tonight too, no doubt, but Gaudette played maybe 5-mins and cost us the f***ing game. We can't have players playing five minutes and shitting the bed defensively. Brady plays more minutes because he's better than Gaudette. If he was better, Gaudette would have been in the NHL a lot sooner and not be a tweener. Gaudette still has bad habits and he's 28. He's 28 and a tweener.

Not sure Gaudette cost us the game. There’s likely other factors involved. I think I read another post (SoA, #711) in here that lays it out more accurately & in more detail.

 

[Alex1234]

Not at each speed, but overall,

Shot attempts: 262
Blocked: 98
Wide: 46
On net: 118

In terms of "blocked all the time", the data suggests he's pretty average in that regard, at least last year he was. out of the 197 D with 100+ shot attempts, his % of shots blocked comes in at 91st best (around 37%), so middle of the pack. A bit surprisingly, the Hughes brothers are both way up the list, getting about 45% (Quinn) and 50% (Luke) of their shots blocked respectively.

Thanks for digging into that

 

[bicboi64]

This team is going full choke and continuing to make November our biggest opponent. This month is forever cursed

 

[Alex1234]

This team is going full choke and continuing to make November our biggest opponent. This month is forever cursed

If every 8MM$ player had 1/2 the heart and tenacity of #18 we would be PO bound

 

[jbeck5]

I think he lays them in soft intentionally for the tip/deflection, the shot speed data from last season has him above average in all categories, except 100+ (not many players have shots in that category.


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He's not Chara. He doesn't need to lay them in soft to get a deflection.

Also, this includes all players. For an offensive defenseman to be only slight above average on an offensive skill isn't impressive.

Odd logic. That’s more a case of shot placement than velocity. If Chabot fires it at an opponents shin pads, having the puck move faster won’t matter unless you think the puck will go right through the opponent’s body. LOL.

It's both.

I'm saying his shots are so slow that even when they're placed in a good spot, they're easy to see and read and block.

It's not odd logic at all.

 

[Sensinitis]

Not sure I'd re-sign Giroux unless it's a one year sweetheart deal.

He's lost (another) step and seems to be getting gassed quicker than the past 2 seasons.

Would be a big hit leadership wise but if you replace him with a younger faster top 6 forward this team is better imo.

 

[Big Muddy]

He's not Chara. He doesn't need to lay them in soft to get a deflection.

Also, this includes all players. For an offensive defenseman to be only slight above average on an offensive skill isn't impressive.



It's both.

I'm saying his shots are so slow that even when they're placed in a good spot, they're easy to see and read and block.

It's not odd logic at all.

In post # 704, you stated: "His shot isn't getting through because it's literally too slow of a shot so it's easily blocked.” Micklebot provided contrary info to that claim.

You also said: "Their slapshots are like 85mph at best. I got 83mph at a skills competition when I was 16. Like, come on. Where are these 95-100mph one timers?” You’ve referenced his “muffin” and shot speed again.

You didn’t say anything about shot placement.

 

[jbeck5]

In post # 704, you stated: "His shot isn't getting through because it's literally too slow of a shot so it's easily blocked."
Micklebot provided contrary info to that claim.

You also said: "Their slapshots are like 85mph at best. I got 83mph at a skills competition when I was 16. Like, come on. Where are these 95-100mph one timers?” You’ve referenced his “muffin” and shot speed again.

You didn’t say anything about shot placement.

Lol I'm saying regardless of shot placement, his shot is very slow so it's easily blocked.

I'm not sure what you're struggling with.

The slower a shot is, the more time a defenseman can read it and block it. Flick a little shot at the net and an NHL defenseman is gonna block it 10 times out of 10. That's my point. His little floaters never get on net...and the rare times they do, they're little floaters so the goalie can easily see it without traffic or tip.

 

[Micklebot]

He's not Chara. He doesn't need to lay them in soft to get a deflection.

Also, this includes all players. For an offensive defenseman to be only slight above average on an offensive skill isn't impressive.

It's not all players, its compared to other D. and shooting hard isn't exactly something exclusive to high end D, there are lots of defensive D that have bombs. If you want to compare him to other offensive D, be my guest, I'll even get you started, but he doesn't really stand out.

The slower a shot is, the more time a defenseman can read it and block it. Flick a little shot at the net and an NHL defenseman is gonna block it 10 times out of 10. That's my point. His little floaters never get on net...and the rare times they do, they're little floaters so the goalie can easily see it without traffic or tip.

He had 45% of his shot attempts make it through to the net last year, which is top quarter of the league.

For comparison,

Makar: 43%
Chychrun 42%
Hedman 41%
Hronek 39%
Karlsson 38%
Sergachev 37%
Hughes 36%
Burns 34%

 

[Big Muddy]

Lol I'm saying regardless of shot placement, his shot is very slow so it's easily blocked.

I'm not sure what you're struggling with.

The slower a shot is, the more time a defenseman can read it and block it. Flick a little shot at the net and an NHL defenseman is gonna block it 10 times out of 10. That's my point. His little floaters never get on net...and the rare times they do, they're little floaters so the goalie can easily see it without traffic or tip.

I’m not struggling with anything. I’m quoting your post. I can see why the ignore function is useful. Cheers.

 

[Golden_Jet]

JBD and Kleven struggled yesterday.