Post-Game Talk: GAME 14 - When the skies of November turn gloomy - Hogtown 4 BRUINS 0

[RoccoF14]

This. Kastelic isn't slow. Zadorov isn't exactly fast, but I wouldn't say he's "slow"

The lack of success has less to do with that and everything to do with your top 6 forwards not producing and your highest paid d-man looking like Darnell Nurse light.

Our Top 6 forwards aren't producing because on a good team, at least 3 of them wouldn't be in the top 6 to begin with.

 

[Sheppy]

Our Top 6 forwards aren't producing because on a good team, at least 3 of them wouldn't be in the top 6 to begin with.

They produced last year with only one difference. Debrusk out, Lindholm in.

 

[Gordoff]

Agreed. I see articles about teams being interested in Frederick and I would pull the trigger on that. Even for a pick and free up a bit of cap space. Bring Lysell up. Can't be worse than it already is.

I wouldn't trade him simply to trade him. Trade for a position of need (they need all forward positions IMO). If they wait until the TDL they can maximise the the return but of course by then they'll be out of the PO picture.
Let's not kid ourselves this is turning into a nightmare season.
Make trades to improve the team either for now or for the future.
Right now, nobody should be beyond trading in the right deal,
especially the highly paid guys with an A.
It's time for a shakeup IMO, too many comfortable guys on the
retirement plan.
But, let's start with the coaches.

 

[BruinDust]

I wouldn't trade him simply to trade him. Trade for a position of need (they need all forward positions IMO). If they wait until the TDL they can maximise the the return but of course by then they'll be out of the PO picture.
Let's not kid ourselves this is turning into a nightmare season.
Make trades to improve the team either for now or for the future.
Right now, nobody should be beyond trading in the right deal,
especially the highly paid guys with an A.
It's time for a shakeup IMO, too many comfortable guys on the
retirement plan.
But, let's start with the coaches.

Scotty Bowman in his prime couldn't make this team a capable offensive club. They just don't have the talent.

 

[HumBucker]

I was really hoping E. Lindholm would have a bigger impact. So far I'm not seeing it. I realize he's not Bergeron or Krejci, but I would at least like to see his fingerprints on the game, making things happen out there. Just not seeing it. We were so spoiled for so long with 37 and 46. I feel like we were better with Zacha and Coyle as 1/2C.

I'm so tried of this PP zone entry play where they drop the puck back. I suppose it must have its benefits - I'm not an X's and O's person - but it just seems to sap all the energy and speed from zone entries. Guy carries the puck towards the blue line, drops it back and then stops and waits. I know defending teams clog the zone, but I'd rather see them carry it in with speed and crisp passing and that puts the D on their back heels.

 

[Oates2Neely]

I was really hoping E. Lindholm would have a bigger impact. So far I'm not seeing it. I realize he's not Bergeron or Krejci, but I would at least like to see his fingerprints on the game, making things happen out there. Just not seeing it. We were so spoiled for so long with 37 and 46. I feel like we were better with Zacha and Coyle as 1/2C.

I'm so tried of this PP zone entry play where they drop the puck back. I suppose it must have its benefits - I'm not an X's and O's person - but it just seems to sap all the energy and speed from zone entries. Guy carries the puck towards the blue line, drops it back and then stops and waits. I know defending teams clog the zone, but I'd rather see them carry it in with speed and crisp passing and that puts the D on their back heels.

He’s a dozen games into his Bruins tenure. A little patience perhaps necessary here

 

[chizzler]

I was really hoping E. Lindholm would have a bigger impact. So far I'm not seeing it. I realize he's not Bergeron or Krejci, but I would at least like to see his fingerprints on the game, making things happen out there. Just not seeing it. We were so spoiled for so long with 37 and 46. I feel like we were better with Zacha and Coyle as 1/2C.

I'm so tried of this PP zone entry play where they drop the puck back. I suppose it must have its benefits - I'm not an X's and O's person - but it just seems to sap all the energy and speed from zone entries. Guy carries the puck towards the blue line, drops it back and then stops and waits. I know defending teams clog the zone, but I'd rather see them carry it in with speed and crisp passing and that puts the D on their back heels.

Not to mention not a shot on goal the whole PP. Toronto gets in the zone, within two passes, a shot on goal from the top of the zone. Goal! We need Bourque in there. He would take a slap shot.
These guys need to be greedy and shot. Way to much passing. Mac gave up so many open shots on goal. Another thing with Mac, same as Krug, hurt his shoulder, never the same with their shot.

We need to be more patient. Let’s give everyone a chance to fix this. I say by the end on Nov, after that, head will roll.

 

[Gordoff]

Scotty Bowman in his prime couldn't make this team a capable offensive club. They just don't have the talent.

There are various ways to have success. If they were able to be a defensive club first and work on the offense and in the meantime getting a couple of offense oriented players it could work. Sweeney has had a lot of success but the only time he really outfitted a monster team, Monty had no idea what to do with the weapons.
But no, the defensive game is moot and the offense follows.

I was really hoping E. Lindholm would have a bigger impact. So far I'm not seeing it. I realize he's not Bergeron or Krejci, but I would at least like to see his fingerprints on the game, making things happen out there. Just not seeing it. We were so spoiled for so long with 37 and 46. I feel like we were better with Zacha and Coyle as 1/2C.

I'm so tried of this PP zone entry play where they drop the puck back. I suppose it must have its benefits - I'm not an X's and O's person - but it just seems to sap all the energy and speed from zone entries. Guy carries the puck towards the blue line, drops it back and then stops and waits. I know defending teams clog the zone, but I'd rather see them carry it in with speed and crisp passing and that puts the D on their back heels.

Yes that PP "play" is a failing strategy that McAvoy in particular
keeps trying and trying with no success.
When will they learn?

 

[Gordoff]

Not to mention not a shot on goal the whole PP. Toronto gets in the zone, within two passes, a shot on goal from the top of the zone. Goal! We need Bourque in there. He would take a slap shot.
These guys need to be greedy and shot. Way to much passing. Mac gave up so many open shots on goal. Another thing with Mac, same as Krug, hurt his shoulder, never the same with their shot.

We need to be more patient. Let’s give everyone a chance to fix this. I say by the end on Nov, after that, head will roll.

I was told in the past that the "slapshot from the point is passe and not really done or necessary anymore." We're seeing the results of the PP having NO QB on the point and being transparent and simply inept. I guess that's the way they're supposed to do it now?
This PP is a travesty, and the PK is starting to follow.
Montgomery is an empty suit, incapable of figuring it all out.
When he had true star players he thrived because he stayed out of
the way, now he has Bergy or DK to run the show.
But when the playoffs rolled around, with all of the weapons provided to
him he seemed to lose his mind and forget how to coach.

 

[Clode]

Was just looking at team stats and noticed they only have 4 players with a positive plus/minus and they are the 4th line + Zadorov. Everyone else is a minus.

 

[VanIsle]

When your leading scorer is 82nd in points and your goalie is 24th in SV% and 45th in GAA I am surprised they are not last in the league.

Only one way to go from here is up.

Too much emphasis put on big lumbering defenseman and not enough put on scoring forwards.

Just my thoughts. . . . .

 

[mjhfb]

I was really hoping E. Lindholm would have a bigger impact. So far I'm not seeing it. I realize he's not Bergeron or Krejci, but I would at least like to see his fingerprints on the game, making things happen out there. Just not seeing it. We were so spoiled for so long with 37 and 46. I feel like we were better with Zacha and Coyle as 1/2C.

I'm so tried of this PP zone entry play where they drop the puck back. I suppose it must have its benefits - I'm not an X's and O's person - but it just seems to sap all the energy and speed from zone entries. Guy carries the puck towards the blue line, drops it back and then stops and waits. I know defending teams clog the zone, but I'd rather see them carry it in with speed and crisp passing and that puts the D on their back heels.

Its interesting you say that about the PP entry, the main reason teams do it is to generate speed on a flatfooted and backed up defense.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I was told in the past that the "slapshot from the point is passe and not really done anymore." We're seeing the results of the PP having NO QB on the point and being transparent and simply inept. I guess that's the way they're supposed to do it now?
This PP is a travesty, and the PK is starting to follow.
Montgomery is an empty suit, incapable of figuring it all out.
When he had true star players he thrived because he stayed out of
the way, now he has Bergy or DK to run the show.
But when the playoffs rolled around, with all of the weapons provided to
him he seemed to lose his mind and forget how to coach.

Who the hell told you that?

 

[SonnyBoy]

Marchand is trying but hasn’t got the legs anymore. Pasta has the legs but doesn’t try. Multiple times tonight he lost the puck with no effort to get it back

And Pasta's legs are above average at best, at least this season.

He can’t stickhandle, especially in traffic. He remains a turnover machine. His monster shot aside, it appears he has no upper body strength.


Mustache matches.

Which doesn't has accuracy.

Not to mention we are spending 20 million on two players who are not even our best players at their positions!

RW & G ???

 

[bobbyorr04]

We are definitely not a puck possession team.
Same old plays all the time, shoot the puck in and chase it, hope for a turnover.
It is not working.
This only works when you have faster forwards that the other teams dee and cause turnovers.

Yep, doing the same thing over and over (especially on the PP) and expecting different results is insanity. This team needs to make some changes..
..starting with the head coach

We are a -12 goal differential, worst in the league.

Not that it really matters, but the habs have the worst goal differential in the league at -18 and the Sharks a close 2nd at -17

 

[SonnyBoy]

Our beloved PK is gone just like that

Maybe Forbort was as important as his stats from PK showed.

They produced last year with only one difference. Debrusk out, Lindholm in.

That was the beauty of younger Marchand.

 

[Otherworld]

I still don't get this. Just because they got bigger doesn't mean everyone forgets how to play hockey. Them getting bigger and "slower" is that a factor to why they suck on the power play? Is that a reason our $8m goalie has been bad? Is size the reason the top 6 is producing next to nothing and are a collective -194194? The Bruins highest paid players have been arguably their worst.

Who are the bigger slow guys? Seems like the big guys they've added are the only ones producing.

We are chasing the game. It is the reason for the massive amount of penalties we have taken. When this happens you have very little to no opportunity to gain or regain momentum in a game. We got 8 penalties last night. Thats almost an entire period.

The guys that produce do not see the ice on a regular basis in an offensive role. Night in and night out that makes a big difference. It disturbs the regular ebbs and flows of the game.

If we are able to lessen the amount of penalties we take, maybe things will turn around for them.

Blame Swayan all you want, it won't change any of this.

 

[DarrenBanks56]

To be honest I thought the Bruins played good last night.
After Peeke went down and Carlo had to play more, you knew we were in trouble.
I think old Brandon figured in all 3 of the leafs PP goals. including the nice deflection.

 

[bruins cup]

Special teams is absolutely derailing them right now they can't kill a penalty and they can't score probably go they were the better team five on five even drawing a lot of penalties but their inability to kill them and they are taking way too many is a recipe for disaster that was definitely a game for the taking but special teams lost it for us that being said you're not going to win any games if you don't score any goals either so that needs to change as well absolutely must win the next three before Dallas comes up and quite frankly no excuse not to

 

[Sheppy]

We are chasing the game. It is the reason for the massive amount of penalties we have taken. When this happens you have very little to no opportunity to gain or regain momentum in a game. We got 8 penalties last night. Thats almost an entire period.

The guys that produce do not see the ice on a regular basis in an offensive role. Night in and night out that makes a big difference. It disturbs the regular ebbs and flows of the game.

If we are able to lessen the amount of penalties we take, maybe things will turn around for them.

Blame Swayan all you want, it won't change any of this.

I'm not blaming him. I said he's been OK.

He has not been good, really.

I absolutely agree that they're taking far too many penalties.

 

[JerseyBruin]

Maybe Forbort was as important as his stats from PK showed.

That was the beauty of younger Marchand.

I think having new pairings on the PK is causing some issues. I feel as our D become more comfortable with each other the PK will improve.

 

[Mione134]

They produced last year with only one difference. Debrusk out, Lindholm in.

People forget that Jake became a very damn good PKer.

Not saying if he was re-signed this team would look different, but it's clear this team at its current form is lacking something.

It just looks...off


I'm hoping it gets better.

 

[Dr Hook]

I think having new pairings on the PK is causing some issues. I feel as our D become more comfortable with each other the PK will improve.

They've only added one player from last season, two if you count Peeke coming later in the season. Mac, Carlo, and Lindholm, who all kill penalties have played together for several seasons. Wotherspoon was there all year last year. Zadorov is really the only "new" guy and bringing one guy in shouldn't submarine the entire PK.

 

[quietbruinfan]

They produced last year with only one difference. Debrusk out, Lindholm in.

Heinen out, minor league slug Brazzeau- in like it or not. This generation's P.C. Droiun.................

Heinen out, minor league slug Brazzeau- in like it or not. This generation's P.C. Droiun.................

 

[Sheppy]

Heinen out, minor league slug Brazzeau- in like it or not. This generation's P.C. Droiun.................

Don't agree with Brazeau being a minor league slug at all.