GDT: Game 14: Sharks vs. Blue Jackets 7:30pm NBCSCA Return of the Mack

[Pinkfloyd]

Walman has proven this season that he’s head and shoulders above the other d-men on this team. He’s also not elite so he’s going to have rough games. Scratching guys for that is just War trying, once again, to coach like he’s Quinn.

In what context is he trying to coach like he's Quinn?

 

[one2gamble]

I don't mind sending a message to Walman, injured or not, about how he played that Canucks game. You can put some blame on him for all three goals against but if anyone on defense deserves the slack it would be him.

thats bullshit. You address in the room/at practice. See what happens next game, if its still crap maybe you bench him.

You have to give him a chance to correct. Hes been in the top 2 of defensemen for what, all but 1 game?

 

[TheBeard]

In what context is he trying to coach like he's Quinn?

Constant line juggling, over the top punishment for errors yet favorites like Kunin and Ferraro get passes, a favoritism towards vets etc

 

[Pinkfloyd]

thats bullshit. You address in the room/at practice. See what happens next game, if its still crap maybe you bench him.

You have to give him a chance to correct. Hes been in the top 2 of defensemen for what, all but 1 game?

Walman is going to be given his chance to correct. That's of no real concern. I think the performance combined with the injury he played with are a convenient reason to make an example out of him while giving him time off to heal. I don't expect it to be some new standard everyone is held to or anything but the occasional shock to the players in this manner can be an effective wake-up call to keep everyone on top of things. And even if it ends up being a shit decision, Warsofsky is an inexperienced NHL head coach. He will need to learn things and will make mistakes along the way too. I don't think it's a big deal.

Constant line juggling, over the top punishment for errors yet favorites like Kunin and Ferraro get passes, a favoritism towards vets etc

This seems like a systemic thing that all coaches do though. I've yet to see a coach in the NHL not do something of this nature.

 

[one2gamble]

I don't think it's a big deal.

its not, its just stupid and inconsistent.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

its not, its just stupid and inconsistent.

If it proves to be such, I hope it's a learning experience for Warsofsky as a rookie NHL head coach. I'm willing to give him the room to make these sorts of potential mistakes.

 

[TheBeard]

Walman is going to be given his chance to correct. That's of no real concern. I think the performance combined with the injury he played with are a convenient reason to make an example out of him while giving him time off to heal. I don't expect it to be some new standard everyone is held to or anything but the occasional shock to the players in this manner can be an effective wake-up call to keep everyone on top of things. And even if it ends up being a shit decision, Warsofsky is an inexperienced NHL head coach. He will need to learn things and will make mistakes along the way too. I don't think it's a big deal.


This seems like a systemic thing that all coaches do though. I've yet to see a coach in the NHL not do something of this nature.

If you’re going to fire your coach only to promote someone who will mimic the coaching mentality of the person fired then why fire them in the first place? Usually a coaching change is meant as a change in philosophy. Bringing in the youngest coach in the league, to me, means fresh ideas and a different vision.

 

[SJSharksfan39]

Looking forward to seeing Celebrini back tonight, and the distraction from the coverage of other happenings in this country. Not sure I understand scratching Walman if it's not injury related. He's the best defensemen on this team, which suffers because of it's defense. Of course this is the same week I've seen Pastrnak benched for an entire period so weird things are happening in the NHL.

SNOG

Sharks 5 (Celebrini, Eklund, Fararro, Taffoli, Granlund)
Blue Jackets 3 (Sillinger, Chinakhov, Merchenko)

 

[Pavelski2112]

He's just not very good.

Barely anyone on this team is very good

 

[hohosaregood]

Constant line juggling, over the top punishment for errors yet favorites like Kunin and Ferraro get passes, a favoritism towards vets etc

If you could name a coach who doesn't do that, it'd be a better argument. And I'd argue the lines have been pretty stable. Eklund, granlund, zetterlund consistently stay in the top 6. Sturm and his wingers are always the 4th line. Wennberg is probably the guy that moves around the most. Ferrari-rutta, walman-ceci are locked in pairings

 

[Hodge]

Barely anyone on this team is very good

I think the forward group we're icing tonight is very good, assuming everyone is at full health. Our defense is better than last year but still the worst in the league.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

If you’re going to fire your coach only to promote someone who will mimic the coaching mentality of the person fired then why fire them in the first place? Usually a coaching change is meant as a change in philosophy. Bringing in the youngest coach in the league, to me, means fresh ideas and a different vision.

There's many reasons one can find to use as a reason to fire Quinn for his two seasons. A coach's decisions is going to echo some past decisions almost by default. There's only so many options available. Warsofsky's line juggling makes sense when nobody is clicking but the pairings have been fairly consistent. I think there is a change in philosophy with how they're coaching the players. I don't recall a Quinn scratching that is similar to this Walman scratch honestly. But even if whatever you think is true, are we not expecting Warsofsky to make similar mistakes to other coaches? He's a first-timer with limited coaching experience leading up to this and even still this is different than the other levels he's coached at. He's not going to be perfect on his decisions and he needs to try things and have it succeed or fail and learn too with these players.

 

[coooldude]

Guys, Pastrnak got benched for the 3rd last game. Sometimes coaches do this even to their very best players. It's not a big deal unless it becomes a pattern that obviously impacts a player's career in a way they don't deserve.

For example, Labanc was in the doghouse for the entire season last year, whether he deserved it or not, but nobody was mistaking Labanc for a first liner. Walman is getting sat for a game, and he's clearly been our best D but not last game. Oh well, unless it becomes a problematic pattern it's kind of a normal-ish thing to do given his play and potential injury last game.

 

[Bizz]

What a dumb prediction.

Adam hasn’t been great this year.

No other team in the NHL gets people off the schneid like the Sharks.

 

[Alaskanice]

If anyone has forgotten, Wally did take a bad hit against the boards last game. He could still be feeling the effects. Even if he says he isn’t. These are hockey players.

 

[TheBeard]

Guys, Pastrnak got benched for the 3rd last game. Sometimes coaches do this even to their very best players. It's not a big deal unless it becomes a pattern that obviously impacts a player's career in a way they don't deserve.

I think there's a big difference between a consistently good team struggling with complacency reminding players effort is still required and a bad team punishing a player because they had a rough game.

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

If anyone has forgotten, Wally did take a bad hit against the boards last game. He could still be feeling the effects. Even if he says he isn’t. These are hockey players.

Most likely Warsofsky saw that Wally didnt practice or move all that well in practice and decided against having a not-100% version of Wally like in the third period last game. Walman might say he's fine but we can all tell.

 

[TheBeard]

There's many reasons one can find to use as a reason to fire Quinn for his two seasons. A coach's decisions is going to echo some past decisions almost by default. There's only so many options available. Warsofsky's line juggling makes sense when nobody is clicking but the pairings have been fairly consistent. I think there is a change in philosophy with how they're coaching the players. I don't recall a Quinn scratching that is similar to this Walman scratch honestly. But even if whatever you think is true, are we not expecting Warsofsky to make similar mistakes to other coaches? He's a first-timer with limited coaching experience leading up to this and even still this is different than the other levels he's coached at. He's not going to be perfect on his decisions and he needs to try things and have it succeed or fail and learn too with these players.

You don't remember Duclair getting healthy scratched last year?

Honestly, if Walman's play on the GWG last game is a big part of why he isn't playing tonight, then War should probably be in the press box as well for the poor decisions he made in that same stretch.

 

[weastern bias]

I think the forward group we're icing tonight is very good

Hilarious

 

[stator]

No, he's actually handsome, Stone is an uggo

Plus Stone loves LITR for the free money and not having to work for it.

If you ever get annoyed, look at me I'm self-employed
I love to work at nothing all day
And I'll be taking care of business (every day)
Taking care of business (every way)
I've been taking care of business (it's all mine)
Taking care of business and working overtime, work out

 

[Star Platinum]

To be fair, we don't KNOW what led to the scratch

It could be based on his play last game, it could be disciplinary for other reasons, it could be because of a nagging injury, all Wario has said is that it is not related to the hit from last game

I kind of prefer the coach keeps quiet about it, too many front offices are too transparent with the media, keep the fans in the dark if it helps keep your process private, so far Wario hasn't given me a ton about him to find outright untrustworthy, not just yet

He was pissed Walman didn't do the Griddy after he scored his first goal

 

[Hodge]

He was pissed Walman didn't do the Griddy after he scored his first goal

Or maybe Nico Sturm's comment about teammates staying up late playing video games was directed at everyone's favorite Fortnite enthusiast...

 

[BaileyMacTavish]

If you could name a coach who doesn't do that, it'd be a better argument. And I'd argue the lines have been pretty stable. Eklund, granlund, zetterlund consistently stay in the top 6. Sturm and his wingers are always the 4th line. Wennberg is probably the guy that moves around the most. Ferrari-rutta, walman-ceci are locked in pairings

Not that you're wrong but Ferraro-Rutta being together despite being ass is a bad thing. Surprised Wario hasn't tried Ferraro-Liljegren yet

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

Nico Sturm is a mopey guy who thinks that just because he was a 4th liner for half a season on that Avs Cup-winning team that he knows about winning and deserves to win and being on the Sharks is depressing to him. He just loves to whine and find things to whine about, especially his teammates.

 

[TheBeard]

Nico Sturm is a mopey guy who thinks that just because he was a 4th liner for half a season on that Avs Cup-winning team that he knows about winning and deserves to win and being on the Sharks is depressing to him. He just loves to whine and find things to whine about, especially his teammates.

Maybe he just wants to be on a club with a winning attitude as opposed to just a ragtag bunch of dudes going through the motions of a rebuild.