GDT: Game 14/82 Utah @ Blues 7PM CST FDSNMW

[Brian39]

40+ point range with his defensive skill and usage is getting hin into that true 1D category we need. He'd still be a low end, and I'd like my 1D to gave a better breakout pass. But he'd be making an impact consistently in both ends of the ice which is something we don't have in a D.

Yeah I definitely don't think anyone should expect him to be a 'high-end 1D guy' at this stage in his career, but I do think that 35-40 points with his usage would put him squarely into mid-tier 1D considering that production would be almost exclusively at even strength.

Only 11 D men had 40+ points at even strength last season and 20 guys were at 35+. Q Hughes led the league with 54 even strength points.

Charlie McAvoy has never had 40+ even strength points in a season. Neither has Miro Heiskanen. Forsling has never hit 40 and had 37 last year in a season where he finished 9th in Norris voting. Adam Fox has only hit 40 even strength points once in his career and it was 40 on the nose. He paced for 32 even strength points in his Norris season.

35-40 even strength points puts you right among that group of guys that are pretty well regarded as good 2-way 1D. Unless being a good PP QB is a requirement to be considered anything more than a low-end 1D, I think that type of production from Parayko combined with his defensive heavy lifting would give us more than just a low-end 1D.

We are a ways away from being able to pencil Parayko into that group. We're talking about a 14 game sample size and it is far from a given that he could keep this up over a multiple seasons. And maybe people want to point at the poor possession/underlying metrics to say that he isn't good enough defensively. But I am in the group that very strongly believes that our current advanced metrics don't adequately measure D who get such difficult minutes/assignments and my eyes tell me that he does a good job defensively.

 

[Xerloris]

I love Sunny as much as anyone else, but I hope you’re implying 15 guys with his heart and grit, and not his skill lol

Imagine if Kyrou had Sunnies heart and grit.

 

[joe galiba]

I couldn't watch last night, and I just watched the 3rd goal by Utah, and a whole lot of overreaction on this board, he was trying to slide the puck to Suter who was moving from the point into the slot

based on the reactions I read beforehand, I thought I would be seeing the most lazy, boneheaded play ever, instead I saw a player trying to win the game by attempting to get the puck to a teammate who would have been all by himself in the slot, and it was broken up by a good stick by the defender
where is all the criticism of Suter on the play? oh, yeah...

 

[TheDizee]

I couldn't watch last night, and I just watched the 3rd goal by Utah, and a whole lot of overreaction on this board, he was trying to slide the puck to Suter who was moving from the point into the slot

based on the reactions I read beforehand, I thought I would be seeing the most lazy, boneheaded play ever, instead I saw a player trying to win the game by attempting to get the puck to a teammate who would have been all by himself in the slot, and it was broken up by a good stick by the defender
where is all the criticism of Suter on the play? oh, yeah...

https://x.com/i/web/status/1854744800039219547

"aww jee whiz guys, ill do better next time i promise guys. aww shucks"

TRADE HIM!

 

[Brian39]

I couldn't watch last night, and I just watched the 3rd goal by Utah, and a whole lot of overreaction on this board, he was trying to slide the puck to Suter who was moving from the point into the slot

based on the reactions I read beforehand, I thought I would be seeing the most lazy, boneheaded play ever, instead I saw a player trying to win the game by attempting to get the puck to a teammate who would have been all by himself in the slot, and it was broken up by a good stick by the defender
where is all the criticism of Suter on the play? oh, yeah...

I wouldn't describe it as a lazy play and I certainly don't agree with the degree of criticism he's getting for it.

But I think it was every bit the description of an extremely 'boneheaded' play. I get what he is trying to do there, but it is a really poor decision to try and do it. The defender was positioned to his back/left shoulder for way too much time for him to believe that he can try to make that pass.

What is there to criticize Suter for on that play?

 

[PocketNines]

one of the worst parts of the Jordan Kyrou Experience has been wading through the excusemakers. this is a player with so much Anaheim Duck in him. If he were on the Ducks we would all say yeah that's why the Ducks suck, they are full of Kyrous. it would be easy to write him and them off.

I have so little respect for this player, but out of objectivity I've tried to give him room by pointing to his consistency as something he can control. Sometimes in life the thing is what the thing is

 

[Stelmacki]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1854744800039219547

"aww jee whiz guys, ill do better next time i promise guys. aww shucks"

TRADE HIM!

Yea! I want to see how bad this offense can get….

 

[joe galiba]

I wouldn't describe it as a lazy play and I certainly don't agree with the degree of criticism he's getting for it.

But I think it was every bit the description of an extremely 'boneheaded' play. I get what he is trying to do there, but it is a really poor decision to try and do it. The defender was positioned to his back/left shoulder for way too much time for him to believe that he can try to make that pass.

What is there to criticize Suter for on that play?

well, Suter did leave the point, thus there was a 2 on 1, what is he doing moving to a wide open spot right in the slot?
sarcasm aside, I don't find a problem with the decision, just the execution

Suter saw a opening in a prime scoring spot and moved there, Kyrou saw him and tried to make a play, doesn't bother me except the result

https://x.com/i/web/status/1854744800039219547

"aww jee whiz guys, ill do better next time i promise guys. aww shucks"

TRADE HIM!

every night when I say my prayers, you are on the list

"and thank You for not letting dizee have a role with blues management"

 

[SirPaste]

well, Suter did leave the point, thus there was a 2 on 1, what is he doing moving to a wide open spot right in the slot?
sarcasm aside, I don't find a problem with the decision, just the execution

Suter saw a opening in a prime scoring spot and moved there, Kyrou saw him and tried to make a play, doesn't bother me except the result


every night when I say my prayers, you are on the list

"and thank You for not letting dizee have a role with blues management"

I think you are forgetting that Dizee is just Army's burner HF acct

 

[TheDizee]

one of the worst parts of the Jordan Kyrou Experience has been wading through the excusemakers. this is a player with so much Anaheim Duck in him. If he were on the Ducks we would all say yeah that's why the Ducks suck, they are full of Kyrous. it would be easy to write him and them off.

I have so little respect for this player, but out of objectivity I've tried to give him room by pointing to his consistency as something he can control. Sometimes in life the thing is what the thing is

We may have our differences but we all must unite on this issue because we love the Bluenote and want what is best for it.

TRADE KYROU!

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

Playing a bad/mid team? Loss.

Who's up next? Capitals? They've been on a roll this season. Looks like a win to me!

 

[MissouriMook]

well, Suter did leave the point, thus there was a 2 on 1, what is he doing moving to a wide open spot right in the slot?

There was plenty of blame to go around on that and a lot of other plays last night. Kyrou has to learn that he needs to get the puck in deep in those late game-specific situations and he is rightly taking heat for his mistake. But as you pointed out, Suter (a 20 year vet) can't let the opposing team's forward get behind him on a pinch like that for the same late-game specific reason, and yet no one gave any blame to him in the moment. After all, it was Suter's man that stole the puck and scored the goal, in part because he was caught cheating on offense. Crickets.

I was at the game and the whole team was hot garbage for most of the night, but Kyrou was probably our best player for the first 56:30 of the game. He was getting pucks in deep, hard on pucks, winning board battles, setting up teammates, creating chances, attempting shots and basically doing everything that we need way more of the "talented" players on this roster doing. Then he makes one mistake and people want to run him out of town. The guy who leads the team in goals, assists, points, shots, shot attempts, and is one of only 7 (out of 23) players who is a "+" on the year. I'm getting serious flashbacks to the late 80s and early 90s where the prevailing theme was that Brett Hull was a lazy bum because he didn't skate hard and didn't backcheck - all he did was score.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Even if Kyrou scored to the levels of Hull, he still had to go to Dallas to finally round out his game and achieve success in the playoffs. Reality is, mistakes made in moments like that are going to be more impactful than mistakes made in the 1st period. You still have time to recover and comeback when the same mistake is made in the 3rd period. It's good that Kyrou acknowledges the issue, but at a certain point, it's something that has been acknowledged and discussed for too long, and we just need action in those mistakes not being made at critical moments. There's a time to be risky and a time to not be risky.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

There was plenty of blame to go around on that and a lot of other plays last night. Kyrou has to learn that he needs to get the puck in deep in those late game-specific situations and he is rightly taking heat for his mistake. But as you pointed out, Suter (a 20 year vet) can't let the opposing team's forward get behind him on a pinch like that for the same late-game specific reason, and yet no one gave any blame to him in the moment. After all, it was Suter's man that stole the puck and scored the goal, in part because he was caught cheating on offense. Crickets.

I was at the game and the whole team was hot garbage for most of the night, but Kyrou was probably our best player for the first 56:30 of the game. He was getting pucks in deep, hard on pucks, winning board battles, setting up teammates, creating chances, attempting shots and basically doing everything that we need way more of the "talented" players on this roster doing. Then he makes one mistake and people want to run him out of town. The guy who leads the team in goals, assists, points, shots, shot attempts, and is one of only 7 (out of 23) players who is a "+" on the year. I'm getting serious flashbacks to the late 80s and early 90s where the prevailing theme was that Brett Hull was a lazy bum because he didn't skate hard and didn't backcheck - all he did was score.

Yes. He f***ed up, but this team needs more guys like Kyrou not less.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Yes. He f***ed up, but this team needs more guys like Kyrou not less.

Hunnert!!!

I love Kyrou and enjoy his style of play. He can be frustrating, but I cut him slack because he is demonstrating incremental (duh) maturation as a person, so I'd expect more of that. I'd like to see another creative-type winger with him, which few we have. Schade.

On the other hand, if Kyrou can yield the Blues a top-flight defenseman, then later gator.

 

[Reality Czech]

There was plenty of blame to go around on that and a lot of other plays last night. Kyrou has to learn that he needs to get the puck in deep in those late game-specific situations and he is rightly taking heat for his mistake. But as you pointed out, Suter (a 20 year vet) can't let the opposing team's forward get behind him on a pinch like that for the same late-game specific reason, and yet no one gave any blame to him in the moment. After all, it was Suter's man that stole the puck and scored the goal, in part because he was caught cheating on offense. Crickets.

I was at the game and the whole team was hot garbage for most of the night, but Kyrou was probably our best player for the first 56:30 of the game. He was getting pucks in deep, hard on pucks, winning board battles, setting up teammates, creating chances, attempting shots and basically doing everything that we need way more of the "talented" players on this roster doing. Then he makes one mistake and people want to run him out of town. The guy who leads the team in goals, assists, points, shots, shot attempts, and is one of only 7 (out of 23) players who is a "+" on the year. I'm getting serious flashbacks to the late 80s and early 90s where the prevailing theme was that Brett Hull was a lazy bum because he didn't skate hard and didn't backcheck - all he did was score.

There's no reason to criticize Suter because there's no way he could anticipate Kyrou's turnover. That's the exact reason why Kyrou has to get it deep, because everyone is skating towards the O zone. You're basically guaranteeing an odd man rush against by losing the puck there. Fundamental hockey.

At least Kyrou owned up to it, but that's 2-4 points we've lost because of his late inopportune turnovers. Not really getting the Hull comparison. If Kyrou starts scoring 50+ every season then I'll forgive more of his mistakes. I can acknowledge the good plays he makes while also pointing out his mistakes as should you. He's looked a lot better the last few games after a bit of a cold streak and has been by far our best forward lately. If he can clean up the turnovers and find a bit more consistency then I'll have no complaints.