Post-Game Talk: GAME 10 - What was that? - Flyers 2 BRUINS 0

[22Brad Park]

Shutout by this flyers team screams lack of scoring.

 

[Bruinfanatic]

Marchand is killing this team, not because he is playing any worse than anyone else on this team, but because he is expected to be a big contributor like he has in the past. My honest opinion, Sweeney might be more to blame for this shit show than Monty or the players, and I am not letting them off the hook, but look to be honest I was always a DeBrusk guy, but I do think it was time for him to go, for the team and for him, but Sweeney never replaced him, and I do not want hear it was Lindhom who replaced him, that was just moving Zacha to wing, but they always needed a wing. I liked Sweeneys attempt this year to build off season, but and I am a big on having a strong defense, but moving DeBrusk, no replacement, and a good GM, should have been preparing for Marchands decline, I think Marchand can still help this team, but in a lesser role, and I know where that strip him of his captaincy comes from but that is just pure bullshit thing to do and only adds another distraction to this team. Sweeney misread a lot of what was happening this year and he should be held responsible.

Hall and now Debrusk going has greatly hurt the speed and clean breakouts with this team ,that’s for sure.

 

[Number8]

People need to chill out and look at it over the length of a season.

Right now we are projected out at:

74 Points
221 Goals For
279 Goals Against
-57 Goal Differential

Now, I grant you, on the surface that looks bad.

But those figures are better than the 23/24 results for the Sharks, the Ducks, and the Blackhawks in every category.

Those teams would give their left testicle for what we have going right now.

So stop being so f***ing ungrateful.

 

[JAD]

Marchand is killing this team, not because he is playing any worse than anyone else on this team, but because he is expected to be a big contributor like he has in the past. My honest opinion, Sweeney might be more to blame for this shit show than Monty or the players, and I am not letting them off the hook, but look to be honest I was always a DeBrusk guy, but I do think it was time for him to go, for the team and for him, but Sweeney never replaced him, and I do not want hear it was Lindhom who replaced him, that was just moving Zacha to wing, but they always needed a wing. I liked Sweeneys attempt this year to build off season, but and I am a big on having a strong defense, but moving DeBrusk, no replacement, and a good GM, should have been preparing for Marchands decline, I think Marchand can still help this team, but in a lesser role, and I know where that strip him of his captaincy comes from but that is just pure bullshit thing to do and only adds another distraction to this team. Sweeney misread a lot of what was happening this year and he should be held responsible.

Preparing for Marchand's decline ... you mean the same way they prepared for Bergeron and Krejci's retirements?

I won't worry about Marchand unless he is still having issues in January, February, and March ( reasons stated elsewhere).

Bigger issue is the dog crap play of Coyle and Geekie where offensive pucks go to die.

Add to that the under performance of McAvoy, Frederic, and Carlo.

Not to mention Zacha despite his energy, hustle and passing has absolutely no finish. At this point I don't know if he could score in a brothel.

Every player on the team has had issues this year.
The team's defensive zone coverage is problematic.
The team's offensive is anemic, sputtering on one cylinder.
The powerplay has had one impressive shift in ten games.

Sadly it's easier to change the coach than to change the roster mid season.
Something has to change.
As I said elsewhere, I don't think Montgomery is the man to facilitate that change.
I would love for him to prove me wrong.

 

[Clode]

They might as well call up Lysell and give him a shot. Teams offensively inept and he can't possibly be worse than whats being trotted out there for our middle six every night.

Some proper NESN propaganda right here...

"but their offense put 23 shots on net!"

https://x.com/i/web/status/1851448998642458728

Are they really trying to make 23 shots for the whole game sound impressive? Thats a teams average total through 2 periods let alone an entire game....

 

[VanIsle]

Last year the Sharks had the lowest shots per game in the NHL at 25.2.
Devils at 16th in the middle of the standings for shots at 30.7
Oilers tops at 33.8.

This year Bruins are at 23rd at 27.7.

23 shots per game is ass. . . . . . .

 

[Jorah Marshmont]

I know we’re focusing on Monty as the head coach, but Sacco has been here for a decade.
For some reason they promoted him but he’d be the first coach I ax. Now that would be a shake up. Especially if he’s responsible for the PP.

 

[RiverbottomChuck]

We all wanted the Big Bad Bruins but we forgot to specify the definition of "bad" in the wish.

 

[Aeroforce]

Montgomery says he has no idea why Pasta/Lindholm hasn't worked, is breaking up the fourth line in hopes the three performing players make the others better, and feels they are thinking too much, which makes them predictable and slow.

 

[Concessionaire]

Issue I have is the 4th line (19-47-45) is 9-1 goals scored 5v5 Why not make it the 3rd line or at least keep it together?

I don't think the team can afford to keep the 4th line together, because even though they are playing great the Bs are not winning games.

If winning is the goal, Monty has to find a way to make every line as strong as possible. Why not try bringing the 4th line work ethic and energy to the other lines?

 

[Babajingo]

Good point, I also think this team has had a large turnover, and contract distractions, and I put much it on Sweeney. That run to the cup when he went on to pickup 3 players at the TD and not one of them resigned, is catching up to him, and the loss of Bergey, Hall, Krecji, and DeBrusk has not helped the situation. The more I think of it AWFUL GM WORK !!!!

I interpret that as the Chiarelli Gravy Train is approaching the end of the line. Only Marchand and Pasta left.
But I think Sweeny should've been gone years ago, and I realize I'm in the minority.

 

[Hookslide]

I interpret that as the Chiarelli Gravy Train is approaching the end of the line. Only Marchand and Pasta left.
But I think Sweeny should've been gone years ago, and I realize I'm in the minority.

If it is a minority than I, am in it also.

 

[I Hate Philadelphia]

Montgomery says he has no idea why Pasta/Lindholm hasn't worked, is breaking up the fourth line in hopes the three performing players make the others better, and feels they are thinking too much, which makes them predictable and slow.

The Bruins hockey that I've seen this season definitely does NOT have any amount of "thinking" going on.

 

[JAD]

I interpret that as the Chiarelli Gravy Train is approaching the end of the line. Only Marchand and Pasta left.
But I think Sweeny should've been gone years ago, and I realize I'm in the minority.

I think it would take at least three consecutive years of not qualifying for the playoffs and under performing or maybe two years of being one of the worst teams in the league (bottom 2 or 3) for Sweeney to be replaced. Boston is historically slow to change upper management ... meaning not impulsive reactions.

 

[nORRis8]

Not sure if anyone posted this yet but these were the lines at this morning's practice

 

[DKH]

People need to chill out and look at it over the length of a season.

Right now we are projected out at:

74 Points
221 Goals For
279 Goals Against
-57 Goal Differential

Now, I grant you, on the surface that looks bad.

But those figures are better than the 23/24 results for the Sharks, the Ducks, and the Blackhawks in every category.

Those teams would give their left testicle for what we have going right now.

So stop being so f***ing ungrateful.

I try to maintain a half dozen friends no matter how bad I’m doing I can look at their bleak situations and it picks me up and I feel better about myself

Very uplifting
#gratitude

 

[ON3M4N]

Yeah, way too much blame on the coach.

Not enough on the players.

Agree with this. I won't say Monty is fault free, but look at how many guys have had career years with Monty behind the bench.

David Pastrnak
Pavel Zacha
Hampus Lindholm
Jake DeBrusk
Charlie Coyle
Trent Frederic
Morgan Geekie
Connor Clifton

Pastrnak maybe is one where you question it, but if you look at his career, Pastrank has 2 season with 100+ points.....both season were under Monty. Prior to Monty he had only broken 90+ points once in his 8yr career.

 

[DKH]

Not sure if anyone posted this yet but these were the lines at this morning's practice

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I like establishing some new routine that turns into a habit each month

The first day of the month is a big day for this

If the Bruins lay an egg tomorrow I’m thinking Sweeney’s may be a new coach

I’d like to give him 2 months 20 games till December 1 but it’s starting to get away

 

[DKH]

Agree with this. I won't say Monty is fault free, but look at how many guys have had career years with Monty behind the bench.

David Pastrnak
Pavel Zacha
Hampus Lindholm
Jake DeBrusk
Charlie Coyle
Trent Frederic
Morgan Geekie
Connor Clifton

Pastrnak maybe is one where you question it, but if you look at his career, Pastrank has 2 season with 100+ points.....both season were under Monty. Prior to Monty he had only broken 90+ points once in his 8yr career.

What have you done for me lately

More times than not they play stale

Grades for 10 games
1. Florida - brutal/ ambushed
2. Montreal - good bit sloppy
3. Kings - outplayed but endured
4. Florida - undisciplined *
5. Colorado- good Bruins game
6. Utah- outskated Swayman best B
7. Nashville - dreadful shutout
8. Dallas - undisciplined *
9. Toronto - very strong effort
10. Philly- to peripheral/ not good enough

So
Toronto, Colorado, Montreal B+
Kings & Utah C/C- (Swayman gets them 3 points)

Five fails

Florida F’s

Leaders Marchand & Pastrnak 9 minors worth 18 penalties in the Florida & Dallas games here

Nashville & Philadelphia shut them out

I’m GM if they don’t play like their hair is on fire tomorrow I’m making a change

 

[LouJersey]

Montgomery says he has no idea why Pasta/Lindholm hasn't worked, is breaking up the fourth line in hopes the three performing players make the others better, and feels they are thinking too much, which makes them predictable and slow.

@EverettMike said this awhile ago that they won't mesh, might have been when they signed EL

 

[DangleCity]

Another performance or two like that and the coach is gone. Can't trade the whole team.

 

[JAD]

Agree with this. I won't say Monty is fault free, but look at how many guys have had career years with Monty behind the bench.

David Pastrnak
Pavel Zacha
Hampus Lindholm
Jake DeBrusk
Charlie Coyle
Trent Frederic
Morgan Geekie
Connor Clifton

Pastrnak maybe is one where you question it, but if you look at his career, Pastrank has 2 season with 100+ points.....both season were under Monty. Prior to Monty he had only broken 90+ points once in his 8yr career.

Let me play the devil's advocate ...
Pastrnak and others on the team have had 'career' years offensively because Montgomery is not as adamant about defensive play as previous coaches.
Defense under Montgomery is secondary at best, priority is moving the puck up ice and players cheat along those lines.
Players take more chances (risk) offensively under Montgomery.
Over the past 2 years more and more offensive bad habits have crept into the team's play resulting in being caught up ice, out of position, and a greater number of odd man rushes against.
Many of those that knew how to play team positional defense have either left the team or retired over the past 2 years.
Resulting in opponents exploiting defensive gaps in missed assignments and positional play.

This team is not built to score 4, 5, 6 goals a game consistently, maybe more like 3 goals on the average.

Who other than Pastrnak do you think is capable of scoring a goal every other game or 3 on the average?
Most of this roster will average 1 goal every 4 - 8 games.

This roster is built from the goal and defensemen out to be a shutdown team, not a run and gun team.
They simply don't have the guns up front at the moment to play high offense out score you oppent game.
But they do have the personnel to play a tight checking defensive style game.
A recommitment to overall team defensive basics will go a long way to correcting many of the ills facing the team.
Offense will still come as the team defense improves.

 

[ON3M4N]

What have you done for me lately

More times than not they play stale

Grades for 10 games
1. Florida - brutal/ ambushed
2. Montreal - good bit sloppy
3. Kings - outplayed but endured
4. Florida - undisciplined *
5. Colorado- good Bruins game
6. Utah- outskated Swayman best B
7. Nashville - dreadful shutout
8. Dallas - undisciplined *
9. Toronto - very strong effort
10. Philly- to peripheral/ not good enough

So
Toronto, Colorado, Montreal B+
Kings & Utah C/C- (Swayman gets them 3 points)

Five fails

Florida F’s

Leaders Marchand & Pastrnak 9 minors worth 18 penalties in the Florida & Dallas games here

Nashville & Philadelphia shut them out

I’m GM if they don’t play like their hair is on fire tomorrow I’m making a change

I see words like sloppy, outplayed & undisciplined. I also see you reference leaders taking too many penalties. Sounds like your issue is more with the players than the coach.

 

[Dicky113]

Not sure if anyone posted this yet but these were the lines at this morning's practice

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That’s just a brutal lineup, this is on Sweeney more than anyone.

My biggest concern is that the weasel is going to make a stupid series of trades of picks to try and save his job. We need a new GM that knows how to draft so we can enter this rebuild properly. It’s going to be a rough few years but at least our GM has inadvertently made us so bad that we should be picking high the next few drafts if he doesn’t trade them away.

 

[ON3M4N]

Let me play the devil's advocate ...
Pastrnak and others on the team have had 'career' years offensively because Montgomery is not as adamant about defensive play as previous coaches.
Defense under Montgomery is secondary at best, priority is moving the puck up ice and players cheat along those lines.
Players take more chances (risk) offensively under Montgomery.
Over the past 2 years more and more offensive bad habits have crept into the team's play resulting in being caught up ice, out of position, and a greater number of odd man rushes against.
Many of those that knew how to play team positional defense have either left the team or retired over the past 2 years.
Resulting in opponents exploiting defensive gaps in missed assignments and positional play.

This team is not built to score 4, 5, 6 goals a game consistently, maybe more like 3 goals on the average.

Who other than Pastrnak do you think is capable of scoring a goal every other game or 3 on the average?
Most of this roster will average 1 goal every 4 - 8 games.

This roster is built from the goal and defensemen out to be a shutdown team, not a run and gun team.
They simply don't have the guns up front at the moment to play high offense out score you oppent game.
But they do have the personnel to play a tight checking defensive style game.
A recommitment to overall team defensive basics will go a long way to correcting many of the ills facing the team.
Offense will still come as the team defense improves.

Season before Monty: 2.66 GA/GP
Monty's First Season: 2.12 GA/GP
Last Season: 2.70 GA/GP

So last season their GA/GP was nearly identical to Cassidy's last season