GDT: G17: Wild vs. Stars | 7PM CDT

BagHead

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He should have had that top line from the 3rd period in place from the start of the game.
I think it's clear he was trying to make several lines that could provide some degree of offense. Turns out it was a little too thin, so he switched it up.

Boldy and Johansson have had chemistry in the past, so he's probably trying to rekindle that and get Johnasson going offensively by adding in our best offensive player, Kaprizov. It didn't work, and that's fine, it was worth trying to milk some offense out of a player that they need it from now that there are injuries. Now, if he goes back to it again right away, that's a problem,
 

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Fair thing to blame because they had less depth than they should, but the coach hamstringed them still. Putting Johansson with Kaprizov and Boldy obviously hinders Kaprizov and Boldy as the puck was dying on Johansson's stick all night (like BagHead even pointed out earlier). Putting Rossi on the third line with Foligno and Trenin (who have a combined 6 points on the season) obviously renders Rossi almost useless.

You're short on offensive players, sure, but Hynes did his best to neuter the three offensive players he had left for 40/60 minutes.
%100 I'd bet good money they're were players saying What in the actual Fekk are we doing in their minds. 3 specifically. Like " hey, wizard! Perhaps after the 1st you should put us together the next 40? Ya know, we can probably get us one🤷‍♂️"
 

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I think it's clear he was trying to make several lines that could provide some degree of offense. Turns out it was a little too thin, so he switched it up.

Boldy and Johansson have had chemistry in the past, so he's probably trying to rekindle that and get Johnasson going offensively by adding in our best offensive player, Kaprizov. It didn't work, and that's fine, it was worth trying to milk some offense out of a player that they need it from now that there are injuries. Now, if he goes back to it again right away, that's a problem,

I think my main problems with it, to try to summarize as succinctly as possible, are that

1) I disagree that Boldy and Johansson have ever had chemistry, I think Johansson has had periods that are less bad, or even solid play, and that he's greatly benefitted from playing with much better players in Boldy and Eriksson Ek.

2) So therefore I disagree with trying to ignite anything within Johansson, because those stretches are the aberration, not the norm, and can't be reliably predicted or induced. It's like trying to squeeze blood from a stone.

3) Hynes possibly doesn't recognize that, or just refuses to act on the recognition if it's there. In those situations, he should be acting quicker.

4) Spreading out the offense is fine if you have tertiary players who are within a certain deviation of the two primary players on that line. Zuccarello is an example of a guy who is a clear tertiary player but within the acceptable deviation from guys like Kaprizov and Boldy. Hartman is a better example of it because he's more clearly a tertiary player, but still close enough.

5) Johansson is not, but he's been treated as if he is throughout most of his time here. I don't know what they see in him that precludes him from playing a bottom six role, unless it's purely that his game isn't at all suited for a bottom six role, but that means he should be scratched or waived, not elevated in the lineup.

Ultimately, you're right, it would be nice to see Hynes learn from this and not elevate Johansson anymore, but the problem is we've watched Johansson for 15 games this season, it's obvious he isn't this caliber of player, but when injuries happened, he was already the one elevated, so expecting Hynes to learn much from this and adjust accordingly would mean that we as observers aren't learning much.

Of course, Johansson's role on this team is more the fault of Guerin, who has assembled a reasonable (albeit overpaid) bottom six of Foligno-Gaudreau-Hartman/Trenin-Khusnutdinov-Lauko, but hasn't assembled a proper top six as evidenced by the fact that Johansson has a role there at all.

It's hard to predict lines when Ek and Zuccarello are injured, Ohgren isn't really ready for a top six spot, but we have too many bottom six players. I'd like to see something like this though when we're more healthy:

Kaprizov-Rossi-Hartman
Ohgren-Ek-Boldy
Foligno-Gaudreau-Lauko
Johansson-Khusnutdinov-Trenin

When Zuccarello comes back, I'd bump Hartman down to the Boldy line, and put Ohgren back in the AHL, and change nothing else.

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For next game, if Ek isn't back yet:

Kaprizov-Rossi-Boldy
Ohgren-Gaudreau-Hartman
Foligno-Khusnutdinov-Lauko
Johansson/Milne-Boyd-Trenin
 

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For next game, if Ek isn't back yet:

Kaprizov-Rossi-Boldy
Ohgren-Gaudreau-Hartman
Foligno-Khusnutdinov-Lauko
Johansson/Milne-Boyd-Trenin
Yes. And double shift that first line if needed.

When injurys happen you gotta put your remaining top forwards together and hope the other lines can provide something usefull. You just don't try to balance out the offense on 3 or 4 lines if you already are thin on forwards who can actually play top 6 roles when everyone is healthy.

Heck, even when everyone is healthy there's a guaranteed top 6 spot for someone like Johannsson. They don't even limit the ES minutes of Zucc when everyone is healthy. Which they should do at this point of Zuccs career as pure PP specialist.

They wasted a sharp game from Gus tonight on trying out a strange forward lineup. Hopefully Hynes has learned from it. Boldy is not a top line center, Johansson should not play on the first line and last but not least: You don't bury your best center on the team on the third line, playing with Trenin.
 

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Agree with everything being said. Also we were warned this is what Hynes would do with young players and it’s unfolding exactly as expected. Hynes with Guerin is like a supergroup of dinosaur idiocy.
 

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Johansson must be one of those guys who looks really good in practice.
It’s the zone entries. He’s oddly elite at those. I think Hartman should’ve been up last night. But one problem with Mojo, like Zucc, is that they cannot effectively play a checking role. That also is a part of it
 

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Marcus Johansson has 4 freaking points while playing with Matt Boldy, and on the PP. that's terrible. Rossi has 14. It shouldn't even be a discussion as to who plays on the top line. when you throw in the fact that Rossi is the only C out of Boldy and Johansson the decision making by Hynes borders on the bizarre.

On the plus side, I am glad that the team kept it close. A lot of that is due to Gus, but a team that keeps GA's low tends to go far. Didn't think that Bogo needed to fight Dumba, but maybe he didn't see that Lauko fell more than was hit. Also didn't see the upside in Middleton fighting Smith. We can't afford to lose either player - let Lauko, Foligno, or Trenin fight.

Chisholm is decent offensively, but not strong, or long, and oddly hesitant on puck retrievals. Not strong on board battles either. He is a #6/7, IMO, despite his decent skating and puck skill.

Barely noticed Milne. Ohgren was almost good on a shift or two.
 

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Johansson must be one of those guys who looks really good in practice.
I listened to that 2 minutes with Middleton, and from what I heard, Johansson doesn't just look good at practice, he looks good before and after it too.

Marcus Johansson has 4 freaking points while playing with Matt Boldy, and on the PP. that's terrible. Rossi has 14. It shouldn't even be a discussion as to who plays on the top line. when you throw in the fact that Rossi is the only C out of Boldy and Johansson the decision making by Hynes borders on the bizarre.

On the plus side, I am glad that the team kept it close. A lot of that is due to Gus, but a team that keeps GA's low tends to go far. Didn't think that Bogo needed to fight Dumba, but maybe he didn't see that Lauko fell more than was hit. Also didn't see the upside in Middleton fighting Smith. We can't afford to lose either player - let Lauko, Foligno, or Trenin fight.

Chisholm is decent offensively, but not strong, or long, and oddly hesitant on puck retrievals. Not strong on board battles either. He is a #6/7, IMO, despite his decent skating and puck skill.

Barely noticed Milne. Ohgren was almost good on a shift or two.
Yeah, moving him off the top line and Rossi onto it was the right call. I just hope Hynes keeps it that way. I am a little afraid of what that means for the lower lines, but so be it. We have to score at least 1 goal per game.
 

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They don't even limit the ES minutes of Zucc when everyone is healthy. Which they should do at this point of Zuccs career as pure PP specialist.
What nonsense is this? 10 of his 14 points this season are even strength points.

But the PP was dead last night without him, even Kaprizov looked confused at times. Zuccarello is no doubt a big loss for the team, I believe they'll find ways to deal with it though, otherwise we can talk about depth again.
 

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I listened to that 2 minutes with Middleton, and from what I heard, Johansson doesn't just look good at practice, he looks good before and after it too.


Yeah, moving him off the top line and Rossi onto it was the right call. I just hope Hynes keeps it that way. I am a little afraid of what that means for the lower lines, but so be it. We have to score at least 1 goal per game.
:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Clearly, Rossi needs to get a better clothier, and perhaps go somewhere besides Sports Clips?
 

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Marcus Johansson has 4 freaking points while playing with Matt Boldy, and on the PP. that's terrible. Rossi has 14. It shouldn't even be a discussion as to who plays on the top line. when you throw in the fact that Rossi is the only C out of Boldy and Johansson the decision making by Hynes borders on the bizarre.

If Rossi can't produce with the players he is playing with maybe he just isn't a good NHL player.
 

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If Rossi can't produce with the players he is playing with maybe he just isn't a good NHL player.
Linemates DO matter. I wouldn't expect Kaprizov to light it up on the 3rd line with Foligno and Trenin the same way that he would when on the first with Boldy, Ek, or whoever. That top line needed a true center, yet Hynes just couldn't help himself. His decision made no sense, and that was further proven just based on how they performed in the 3rd period AFTER he corrected the lines.
 
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thestonedkoala

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Linemates DO matter. I wouldn't expect Kaprizov to light it up on the 3rd line with Foligno and Trenin the same way that he would when on the first with Boldy, Ek, or whoever. That top line needed a true center, yet Hynes just couldn't help himself. His decision made no sense, and that was further proven just based on how they performed in the 3rd period AFTER he corrected the lines.
Eriksson Ek produced with Foligno and Greenway. He also contributed defensively.
 

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