G Igor Shestyorkin (2014, 118th, NYR)

[The Crypto Guy]

Ya good call.. Crappy for him not getting the start but good for us cause hopefully that pisses him off and he signs with NYR asap so we can watch him full time

Pretty much a lock he's signing with us. Writing has been all over the wall for some time now. Even SKA is making preparations for life without Igor next season.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

Those are Hart's current numbers.

2018-19	Philadelphia Flyers	NHL	18	2.48	.924	|
	Lehigh Valley Phantoms	AHL	18	3.05	.902	|

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Playing your game the AHL is a better league and the NHL is no indication a goaltender would survive the AHL.

That was a really good counter point. Although to me, the real answer is that he's sort of right about not totally being able to project KHL numbers to the AHL/NHL.

But you're also partly right that a lot of times you can and that a lot of times the quality of the KHL or AHL teams is so atrocious that it submarines a guy who could actually be doing better in different circumstances with the NHL club.

Then ironically Captain CLutch lamented how no one ever reads on HF but continues on to have this exchange where Clutch failed horribly.

Why? Numbers are numbers. The superteams are superteams also because of goaltending or do you think they hire bum goalies on purpose, because the rest of the team is so good?

No, they are Superteams because they have payrolls that allow them to corner the market on the best players. Magnus Hellberg has a nearly identical save % to Shesty, so the obvious variable is the quality of the skaters not the goaltenders

I'll leave it to him to figure out why this was a fail on his part

 

[Hanji]

Because they know he's not returning and KHL teams have been known to "punish" players for this. It was a slap in the face to not play him in a nothing game, plain as simple. He should have been the starting goalie the last 2 seasons but they never gave it to him since they knew he wasn't staying long term. It will be a good day when he walks away from that team soon.

If SKA was punishing players who have intentions of playing in the NHL or who have not signed extensions, why was the starting job given to Koskinen last year? Is not Gusev their go-to forward this year?...from what I gather, he’s pretty much gone after this year also.

Sounds like a conspiacy theory on part of some Rangers fans.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

If SKA was punishing players who have intentions of playing in the NHL or who have not signed extensions, why was the starting job given to Koskinen last year? Is not Gusev their go-to forward this year?...from what I gather, he’s pretty much gone after this year also.

Sounds like a conspiacy theory on part of some Rangers fans.

It wasn't. He split time with the better goalie.

 

[SoundAndFury]

If SKA was punishing players who have intentions of playing in the NHL or who have not signed extensions, why was the starting job given to Koskinen last year? Is not Gusev their go-to forward this year?...from what I gather, he’s pretty much gone after this year also.

Sounds like a conspiacy theory on part of some Rangers fans.

That is absolute BS. They gave Gavrikov a raise without asking of him to play more years so if anything they are treating those guys well. The lockout is not too far away.

 

[Hanji]

It wasn't. He split time with the better goalie.

But why was Koskinen given playing time, over a better goalie (Shestyorkin), considering he was leaving for the NHL first? That doesnt jive with the assertion that SKA punishes players who intend to leave for the NHL. Nor does SoundAndFury’s point that SKA gave Gavrikov a raise (without an extension) even though he’s likely off to the NHL next year also.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Starting the first playoff game. Didn't get to do that the previous two seasons.

 

[Atas2000]

Starting the first playoff game. Didn't get to do that the previous two seasons.

Pretty embarassing loss. SKA wasn't able to generate squat. Probably not the goalie's fault,

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

He wasn’t bad and did have some nice saves, but he could’ve been better. The first goal was hard for him to track because of the traffic near the net on the PP. No marking from SKA and he got caught too square to the puck, which left him susceptible to a pass back across goal. The second goal was terrible marking by SKA. Too close in for a goalie to react quick enough to such a wide open shot.

But it’s only two goals, so it’s hard to fault a goalie that much. You can’t win games scoring no goals.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

SKA collapsed today. Down 2-0.

It’s been a strange series for Shestyorkin. He hasn’t been overly bad, but not his best.

At most, maybe he could’ve done a little better on two of the five he’s allowed through two games, but three of the five have been right in front of the net and nothing he could’ve done.

He’s faced very few shots, so SKA is limiting those, but a lot of good scoring chances. He stopped a partial breakaway at 2-2 before Spartak scored the winner.

SKA has a lot more possession and shots, but Spartak is playing much more effective defense. They are getting better scoring chances on the counter because SKA is struggling to defend.

I suspect Hellberg will start game 3 and Shestyorkin is done for the season, but it doesn’t matter either way. Shestyorkin’s already proven himself in the KHL. It must be a shame though that the one time he gets a chance to start in the playoffs SKA completely underachieves against a team that should not be able to take a game off of them.

 

[Kshahdoo]

SKA collapsed today. Down 2-0.

It’s been a strange series for Shestyorkin. He hasn’t been overly bad, but not his best.

At most, maybe he could’ve done a little better on two of the five he’s allowed through two games, but three of the five have been right in front of the net and nothing he could’ve done.

He’s faced very few shots, so SKA is limiting those, but a lot of good scoring chances. He stopped a partial breakaway at 2-2 before Spartak scored the winner.

SKA has a lot more possession and shots, but Spartak is playing much more effective defense. They are getting better scoring chances on the counter because SKA is struggling to defend.

I suspect Hellberg will start game 3 and Shestyorkin is done for the season, but it doesn’t matter either way. Shestyorkin’s already proven himself in the KHL. It must be a shame though that the one time he gets a chance to start in the playoffs SKA completely underachieves against a team that should not be able to take a game off of them.

You can't blame him in a single goal he let in yesterday, it was a terrible defense. I mean, it almost looks like they could use Rykov instead one of those tire fires they call defensemen. All goals were scored from a high danger zone, like that 1st one, when an opponent shot from 3 meteres and there weren't a single SKA player around to cover him. Or that PP goal, when a Spartak player was all alone in front of Shesterkin... Oh well.

 

[Zine]

So, let me get this straight.
According to many in this thread, Shestyorkins's ridiculous statistics and dominance are not a product of SKA's superiority. However, when SKA collapses in the playoffs and Shestyorkin posts a sub .900 sv% it's due to SKA's crappy defense?

 

[Alluckks]

It is almost like sample sizes matter

Keep on trolling though

 

[Atas2000]

So, let me get this straight.
According to many in this thread, Shestyorkins's ridiculous statistics and dominance are not a product of SKA's superiority. However, when SKA collapses in the playoffs and Shestyorkin posts a sub .900 sv% it's due to SKA's crappy defense?

It is. Watch the games.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

It’s a disingenuous argument. I don’t think anyone claimed that he’ll have the same stats in the NHL. Playing in a low scoring league and for one of the best teams plays a part in his stats, but he has considerably better stats than Hellberg this season and over two seasons a little less considerably outplayed a player whose having a respectable NHL season. It would be like trying to question Kucherov’s stats. Would he put up the same stats on the Ducks? No, but that doesn’t mean he’s not very good. He’s outplaying other all star players on the same team.

I don’t understand why some will question Shestyorkin’s stats, but Kaprizov, Sorokin, Gusev and other prospects on SKA and CSKA get a free pass for their stats. I wouldn’t question any of their stats because they are all good players, but since Shestyorkin has the most “video-game” stats of the KHL prospects, he gets questioned the most. Yes, he’s very good. No, he won’t put up a .953 in the NHL. Yes, he wasn’t his best in the first two playoff games. No, he wasn’t one of the main reasons SKA lost the first two games.

 

[Lays]

So, let me get this straight.
According to many in this thread, Shestyorkins's ridiculous statistics and dominance are not a product of SKA's superiority. However, when SKA collapses in the playoffs and Shestyorkin posts a sub .900 sv% it's due to SKA's crappy defense?

Shestyorkin has performed well away from SKA as well and constantly bails out the defense which is overrated in SKA. Just because his team and him have had a bad small sample size doesn’t discredit all he’s done as a prospect

 

[Ken Lund]

Ranger fan here so I'm all in on "Tsar Igor" replacing "King Henrik". But as far as questioning stats goes, it's one thing to wonder if a ppg forward will be ppg in the NHL, but Shesty's stats are so out of line with what he could do here it's easy to question their worth.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Ranger fan here so I'm all in on "Tsar Igor" replacing "King Henrik". But as far as questioning stats goes, it's one thing to wonder if a ppg forward will be ppg in the NHL, but Shesty's stats are so out of line with what he could do here it's easy to question their worth.

How about you compare his stats to his competition? How about you compare his stats to the goalies at CSKA? Or do all those players suck, and we should conclude play from the second best league in the world is unreliable data in predicting NHL success?

What you are saying is the only argument against him, so they use it. Some do it purposefully, for others its ignorance. When its a Rangers fan who says that, its often ignorance. Outside fans, usually being salty for some reason or another.

 

[Kshahdoo]

So, let me get this straight.
According to many in this thread, Shestyorkins's ridiculous statistics and dominance are not a product of SKA's superiority. However, when SKA collapses in the playoffs and Shestyorkin posts a sub .900 sv% it's due to SKA's crappy defense?

When defense collapses Vasilevsky can have sv% below 0.800, does it mean he sucks?

 

[Ken Lund]

How about you compare his stats to his competition? How about you compare his stats to the goalies at CSKA? Or do all those players suck, and we should conclude play from the second best league in the world is unreliable data in predicting NHL success?

What you are saying is the only argument against him, so they use it. Some do it purposefully, for others its ignorance. When its a Rangers fan who says that, its often ignorance. Outside fans, usually being salty for some reason or another.

Hey, I'm on Igor's side. I'm counting on him coming over next year and starting for 10 years after Lundquist is gone.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

The KHL is bush league. Its hard to watch this league anymore.

He got disqualified from a game because a player got injured attempting to cut wide of his split. Not even the NHL is that bad at refereeing. It was as if the referees decided that the Spartak player leaving the game meant that they had to even it up. One of the absolute worst calls I've ever seen. At most, thats a two minute penalty, although it didn't look like it. Disqualifying the player is a travesty of epic proportions.

Before anyone gets mad, the NHL is plenty bush league, but this isn't even something the NHL would do.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

The KHL is bush league. Its hard to watch this league anymore.

He got disqualified from a game because a player got injured attempting to cut wide of his split. Not even the NHL is that bad at refereeing. It was as if the referees decided that the Spartak player leaving the game meant that they had to even it up. One of the absolute worst calls I've ever seen. At most, thats a two minute penalty, although it didn't look like it. Disqualifying the player is a travesty of epic proportions.

Before anyone gets mad, the NHL is plenty bush league, but this isn't even something the NHL would do.

Oh shut up. This stuff happens in the NHL as well, as you said. That invalidates your entire rant

 

[Caser]

The game misconduct trip:



If I understood correctly, in the KHL there is a rule that allows to penalize players for usual fouls with a game misconduct in case an injury occurs as a result.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

If I understood correctly, in the KHL there is a rule that allows to penalize players for usual fouls with a game misconduct in case an injury occurs as a result.

Is there also an automatic suspension? I had trouble understanding the translation of the question that Vorobyov was being asked in his after-match press conference.