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Future of the team is incredibly bleak

thewave said:
You are clearly selling us short. We will absolutely 100% guaranteed win 4 cups in a row and then decline.
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It's fine to believe otherwise. I just think you are over-estimating the quality of other teams. There are no dynasties anymore. The field is wide open, and the leafs have finally built a team capable of winning when it matters.
 
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HockeyVirus said:
Nah. These things don't happen overnight. penguins didn't just become terrible. They spent 2-3 seasons in mediocrity barely making the playoffs and being an easy out in round 1, no where close to making it an even series.

Leafs are close to that point. We are 1-2 years away from fighting just to make the playoffs
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Evilhomer said:
The Leafs will probably win two Cups in the next 3 or 4 years. After that, yes, the team will start to degrade. That's how professional sports works.
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Sums up this place nicely. Either a Cup winning Dynasty or on the verge of a rebuild. :laugh: :help:
 
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HockeyVirus said:
Let's be real here. We have arguably 2 prospects of any note in Cowan and maybe Danford neither move the needle. We have no draft picks because we traded them all at the TDL. 2 of our 4 core pieces are UFAs and likely to walk for nothing. We have no #1 dman, hell no #2 dman.

We have NO future. The only possible move this offseason is to throw money around in free agency. For any long time fans, we've seen this story before. We will end up paying players like Komaserk, Lombardi, Armstrong, Connolly, Clarkson, etc big money in free agency and be trash but with a cap strapped team.

There is a very real chance we have gifted Bruins another top 10 draft pick. I am nearing my breaking point with this team.
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Welcome to trying to win the Stanley Cup, please see all the other contenders who constantly trade 1st round picks away for players........

While Toronto has no 1st round picks, they have hit on their 2nd round picks for the most part.. Durzi,Robertson,Knies,Minten. While having a few busts and the jury being out on some of the players.

The D-core is set, and looks even better since they added Carlo. The reason why it's hard to walk away from both Tavares & Marner is because of the reason you said, Toronto hardly has any more premium assets to add to swing a big trade, and you don't build your team in free agency, just pissing away money overpaying for good to mediocre players.

Seems like an emotional post after the loss against Ottawa... How are you feeling today after two big wins against Calgary & Colorado?
 
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Torontonian said:
Welcome to trying to win the Stanley Cup, please see all the other contenders who constantly trade 1st round picks away for players........

While Toronto has no 1st round picks, they have hit on their 2nd round picks for the most part.. Durzi,Robertson,Knies,Minten. While having a few busts and the jury being out on some of the players.

The D-core is set, and looks even better since they added Carlo. The reason why it's hard to walk away from both Tavares & Marner is because of the reason you said, Toronto hardly has any more premium assets to add to swing a big trade, and you don't build your team in free agency, just pissing away money overpaying for good to mediocre players.

Seems like an emotional post after the loss against Ottawa... How are you feeling today after two big wins against Calgary & Colorado?
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And I am saying we didn't get close to sniffing a cup but have all the downsides of teams who have won several times
 
Torontonian said:
Welcome to trying to win the Stanley Cup, please see all the other contenders who constantly trade 1st round picks away for players........

While Toronto has no 1st round picks, they have hit on their 2nd round picks for the most part.. Durzi,Robertson,Knies,Minten. While having a few busts and the jury being out on some of the players.

The D-core is set, and looks even better since they added Carlo. The reason why it's hard to walk away from both Tavares & Marner is because of the reason you said, Toronto hardly has any more premium assets to add to swing a big trade, and you don't build your team in free agency, just pissing away money overpaying for good to mediocre players.

Seems like an emotional post after the loss against Ottawa... How are you feeling today after two big wins against Calgary & Colorado?
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Calgary sucks and they got extremely lucky against Colorado. Lemme me know when they crush a great team or desperate team trying to claw into the playoffs.
 
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MilkofthePoppy said:
Calgary sucks and they got extremely lucky against Colorado. Lemme me know when they crush a great team or desperate team trying to claw into the playoffs.
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Yes, it's always extreme luck when the Leafs win, and confirmation of how pathetic they clearly are when they lose. It can't possibly be somewhere in the middle.
 
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MilkofthePoppy said:
They were utterly outplayed last night and relied on a goal from an extremely fortunate and unique bounce off the ref. LOL.
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They were not utterly outplayed. They gave up a bunch of harmless shots from the perimeter, which is why the shot count was what it was. The Leafs have a better goalie than the Avs. It wasn't much more complicated than that.
 
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Personally, a lot of the future rides on what type of players McMann, Robertson, Knies and Holmberg can evolve into. Can they become consistent players and important depth scorers? That will be a big help. If 2 or 3 of them can become consistent 20 goal scorers.
 
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MilkofthePoppy said:
Get your eyes checked, the Avs were all over them.
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The Avs had a bunch of perimeter shots that drove up the shot count, like zero rebound opportunities all game. We shut down Mac 5 on 5. And both teams had the exact same number of high danger scoring chances at 15 a piece.

Maybe you should get your eyes checked.
 
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We have no draft choices yes for a few yrs. I believe we will sign Marner for 14 mil for 4 to 6 yrs

Tavares will sign 4 yrs 5.0 mil to 7 mil. Mathews contract will be up in 3 yrs. Trade mathews in 4 yrs to a contender for a first and a prospect . Trade Tavares at end of 3 yrs for a 1st rnd draft choice and a prospect to again a contending team.

We can keep Marner and Nylander till the last yrs of their contracts b4 freeing them from the weight of great expectations here in leaf land.

All 3 of the core 4 players will be at the top of leafs nation scoring pyramid of leaf greats.


Thanks for your service and let's build the next image of the team with nhl size and skill with a strong good work ethic.

With several 1st rnd picks plus 2 of 3 of our own plus some 2nd rnd picks we can build another contender quickly.

When Mathews Marner and Nylander are in their late 30s they will be a great older 3rd line wheb they return with retirement contracts
 
Evilhomer said:
Sorry, it's bleak. We determined that after a 2 game losing streak. No takebacks.
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Come on now my friend.:laugh:

You know we're talking about the future of this offseason and beyond and the challenges that await. It's not about winning or losing streaks. It's about going all in with no success over the last half decade +

It's about the lack of options having no firsts for three drafts and a potentially limited ability to retool in free agency with only a few options and a lot of teams with cap space.


If they win a cup or, heck, even a few rounds the conversation changes completely.
 
I don't think there is any rule that says you have to continue being a Leaf fan if you are this fed up. Peace out, find a new team, or no team at all, choose happiness.
 
HockeyVirus said:
And I am saying we didn't get close to sniffing a cup but have all the downsides of teams who have won several times
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It is what it is. There trying to win, I'd rather them try to win then milk the fans for money and put a shitty product on the ice for 10 years.. I remember how fun it was seeing them come in 10th-15th in the eastern conference for 10+ years.

You don't always win and you don't always win multiple Stanley Cups. All Toronto needs is one Stanley Cup win and suddenly no one gives two shits about not having first round picks or having a trash team for 3-4 years again.
 
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